I said "personal reality" which means how I choose to live my life. Where I live, what I do, what I believe, what I manifest, and even how I clean and paint my house.

"Personal reality" is not my "world view."





Do you mean "can't" eat you?

Theoretically, that is true. But you have to have a LOT of MIND power to cause yourself to believe those things in a shared reality where everyone disagrees with you on both a conscious and subconscious level. Try doing it in a dream first, the next time you are dreaming about a lion chasing you. Its not easy even in a dream.

The first thing you have to do is realize it is a dream, (This is lucid dreaming) then you have to realize you can use your mind to alter the dream scape. Then you have to practice it. It takes a lot of visual concentration and mental energy to even do this in a dream.

If and when you are practiced at lucid dreaming and control of your lucid dreams, then you might want to begin practicing with this reality. After all, it too is a dream.

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But in the analogy, I am comparing the lions and cheeta's to the "bad guys." And YES I do believe that they can't hurt me.

I guess that's why I have not been a victim of them, or why I have not been abducted by aliens. I simply forbid it to happen.

JB,

So it sounds, maybe, like you believe that every aspect of reality can be changed by the wills of individuals - but since there are many individuals who might have conflicting desires, no one individual is guaranteed complete mental control over reality? But only because they might be thwarted by the will of other individuals?

Suppose I want to turn the water in my glass into vodka. What factors outside of my own mind prevent me? The beliefs of others? Reality-inertia? Any rules I need to follow?

Yes, pretty much. The conflicting desires, some stronger and more focused than others, account for the vast diversity, confusion and chaos of the state of this shared reality. (How messed up it is.)

Of course no single individual is guaranteed complete mental control over reality. That is a given.

And If you could convince yourself that the water in your glass is vodka, (via self hypnosis) you would taste it, smell it, and probably get drunk with it. If you were a hypnotist, you might be able to convince someone else that the water they are drinking is vodka and they could taste it, and even get drunk with it.

Factors "outside" of your "own mind" that would prevent you would be to believe and accept as truth, the beliefs of others. Once you accept something as truth and believe it, it becomes real to you personally.

If someone told you that the vodka you were drinking was water and you believed them, then your idea that it was vodka might disappear.

Even if it was vodka, and you drank so much that you passed out, if you still believed it was water, you might think that you just fell asleep. Or maybe a hypnotized person drinking vodka thinking it was water, would not get drunk at all. It would be an interesting experiment.

Placebo...

shoku:
Can't you comprehend a healthy sarcazm???

Naturally, a few hundred thousand of people dyeing is nothing compared with the entire humanity... (but that's just a rough estimate!)

However, the event is still a few years ahead, so it's not reasonable sounding alarmist!!!

If the truth changes all the time what good is the truth?

Well I did not say the truth changes all the time.

I said that BELIEFS change all the time. I think you are you confusing meaning of the terms "truth" and "belief."

Just get to the point. Tell me what it is I am saying that you don't understand.

Oh goody you found a name for one of the effects.

That is why placebo's sometimes work. But they don't work all the time.

all of the following statements....



...address the topic of mis-perception (hallucination, delusion, hypnosis...) of reality. To me, this is a completely different topic than 'creating reality with one's mind'. My goal in this exchange was to refine the discrimination between the two.

It seems to me, in the quoted section above, people's minds are determining their experience, without changing reality.

Are we arguing about how nasty people in general are or how strong the word prick is?

If I owned a newspaper I filled with pictures of flayed open human corpses and I went trying to hand it out and display it I think that people would still want to stop me doing it.

So they didn't say they were with the government but you know they are because obviously the government would want to shut the paper down while not looking like the government except that they obviously look like the government.
mmmmmmmmm


Who exactly threatened him? I'm assuming that with the family threats there wouldn't be any paperwork.

You know, I once heard about this family that had a bunch of dogs. It was this nice spot they chose away from folks so the barking wouldn't upset any neighbors but they got all these threats and then the government burned the dogs. I think the dogs must have been witnesses to alien activity.

...so how do you link this to alien-government conspiracy other than it being in a place where people identify a lot of alien related stuff and cattle mutilations? Are the government and aliens the only groups capable of pointlessly mutilating cattle? The only ones capable of threatening people's families?

"But to a single observer who believes in something 100%, to him or her, that is the truth."
"I said that BELIEFS change all the time. I think you are you confusing meaning of the terms "truth" and "belief.""

Well, let's go straight at it: tell me how the truth is different from belief.

Sounds like preferences to me. I like cookie dough icecream but I don't think calling it my reality makes much sense.



No, that would be a double negative.
why not just- proposing something to do
not agree - action, interchangeable with "disagree"
that (animals) can eat you? - condition of the action.

So if everyone disagrees with you about aliens there are no aliens?

I have a harder time having actual dreams than lucid dreaming. Basically every time I'm awake enough that I'd remember the dream I ursurp it as it's become really easy for me to recognize I'm dreaming.

I've never been chased by a lion in my dreams though. I dream about having to sit still while I'm having dental work done or watching meta-personalities (sort of people I know but exaggerated) doing random stuff.

Ha.
Most of the time if I've got a troublesome obstacle around in the dream I erase it and everything and then sit there wondering what I should do with the lucid dream. If I had them a little more often I'd probably remember things to try.

Well really before I ever started having lucid dreams nothing in the dreams could hurt me. I'd fall from helicopters many stories onto concrete and recognize that my legs were snapping and basically turning into processed hamburger but it was just kind of "dang, I liked that body. Oh well."

I thought you were supposed to wake up before you hit the ground in falling dreams but I guess I'm strange.

Why not forbid it from happening to others? Seems like the until first abduction there aren't that many believers but they change their tune after.

*though as I've mentioned a lot if not all of the time it could just be sleep paralysis. People used to call it a demon but these days they call it aliens I guess.

The words mean different things. I'm sure you can look them up.

Let me ask you this, Is what you believe true? If it is not, and you find out will you change your belief?

Does the truth change?

Is truth a matter of perspective, actuality or belief? Is it subjective or objective?

It all depends what you are talking about, in what context and from who's perspective. The terms are very general.

I have completely changed my belief and my world view several times in my life after evaluating information. Does that change who I am? I don't think so. Beliefs change.

Does truth change? (That might depend on how you define truth.)

Is truth actual or a decision? (That itself is a decision you have to make.)

What is meant by "personal reality" is what my(or your) personal life is like as a result of your decisions, intentions, attitudes and beliefs..

Do I live in a cardboard box or am I in prison? Am I married or single? How do I CHOOSE to live my life?

Yes your preferences and your decisions will mold your personal reality. You decide how you will live, what you will do, how you will react, what you will believe. That is YOUR personal reality.

You world view is something else.

I wish.

(But if everyone disagreed with me about aliens, I would probably never have accepted a belief in them in the first place.)

Seriously, I did not believe in aliens for a long time. I laughed at the idea and I avoided stories about them as a waste of time. But I was looking for answers and many of the mysteries I stumbled upon involved and eventually lead to the subject of aliens and I decided that my attitude about them was closed minded and bias against their existence and IF they did exist, I was avoiding and rejecting a truth.

So, I decided to examine all of the evidence that I kept finding. Mostly stories, sightings, and cattle mutilations. I also interviewed abductees etc.

So I became convinced that they (or something) exists. Whether you want to call them "aliens" or not is a personal preference. It is shorter than what they really are: "Non-human sentient life forms."

I just call the aliens. It's easier.

I do not have the power or authority to do that. I only have authority over my own life and experiences.




"Sleep paralysis" is just a term that describes consciousness level 10. (A term invented by Robert Monroe, author of "Out of Body experiences and two other books.)

Sleep paralysis does not have to involve "aliens." (Non-human sentient life forms.) but sometimes it does.

Demons = Non-human sentient life forms
Angels = Non-human sentient life forms
Reptilians = Non human sentient life forms
Greys = Non human sentient life forms
Gods = Non human sentient life forms
Big foot = Non human sentient life form.
Draconian = Non human sentient life form.
(A draconian looks like a devil. They have horns, a tail and some even have wings.)

What ever you want to call them, what ever it is ... we are not alone.

I am sorry, I have no physical evidence to present on these things, which is the subject of this thread.

Nothing I've found looking them up explains this thing you said
"to a single observer who believes in something 100%, to him or her, that is the truth."

That's almost exactly what I want you to tell me. If you tell me that it would be close enough that I could tell what you mean by truth.

Please tell me how you define truth already.

I've already said enough about what I think about truth but we really need to know what you mean by truth to have a coherent conversation.

I still don't see why you use the word reality there. You're just describing your life.

I wasn't trying to make this a topic about if there are aliens are not. It's still supposed to be about the question of belief.

But now you've said enough. What people believe doesn't determine actuality, correct?

Nobody knows what actuality is.

From our point of power and observation, I would say no, but that is my opinion. I can't be certain of that because nobody really knows what actuality is.