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Topic: Taoism
creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Thu 11/19/09 06:48 PM
Wondered if anyone else has any interest in or ideas about Taoist thought?

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Thu 11/19/09 07:22 PM
I know very little about it but I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who does know.

artman48 Joined Sun 07/12/09 Posts: 933	Thu 11/19/09 07:34 PM
I looked into it----It's crap!

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Thu 11/19/09 07:38 PM
I looked into it----It's crap! You think everything is crap.

artman48 Joined Sun 07/12/09 Posts: 933	Thu 11/19/09 07:41 PM
I looked into it----It's crap! You think everything is crap. Most!---everything

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Thu 11/19/09 07:50 PM
I studied Taosim in the 70's. The books I read about Taoism contained other philosophies as well. Taoism was associated with flowing with the underlying spiritual force of life. The "river" of life that flows through all things whether they are 'biologically' living or not. It's my understanding that all of existence is considered to be part of the "life-force" in Taoism and that includes all of the laws of natures (i.e. laws of physics). Taoism was the basic Chinese philosophy that had a major affect on Buddhism and gave birth to the "Zen Buddhism". The Tao and the Zen are basically two words that represent the same concept. More recently as I was studying shamanic journeying I discovered that the Taoists of China where among the first shamanic journeyers, and they journeyed to many worlds in the cosmic consciousness. They were also said to have magickal powers. In fact, I believe that it was from these early Taoists that European witchcraft arose. The Taoists were said to be some of the first humans ever to actually cast a magick circle. That also leaked back down into India to become the basis of Tantric Buddhism. At least some scholars have suggested. I also personally see a lot of Taoism in the European Faery Folklore. The Tao there became known as the Toradh (toe-rath). But it's basically the same principle. I've always been attracted to the ideas of the Tao and I feel that it is indeed the closest thing humans have come up with to describe the true essence of our underlying nature. I also believe that it's one of the best philosophies to study to get a handle on a pantheistic view of life. But like I say, it can be seen in many other philosophies as well.

artman48 Joined Sun 07/12/09 Posts: 933	Thu 11/19/09 07:51 PM
I studied Taosim in the 70's. The books I read about Taoism contained other philosophies as well. Taoism was associated with flowing with the underlying spiritual force of life. The "river" of life that flows through all things whether they are 'biologically' living or not. It's my understanding that all of existence is considered to be part of the "life-force" in Taoism and that includes all of the laws of natures (i.e. laws of physics). Taoism was the basic Chinese philosophy that had a major affect on Buddhism and gave birth to the "Zen Buddhism". The Tao and the Zen are basically two words that represent the same concept. More recently as I was studying shamanic journeying I discovered that the Taoists of China where among the first shamanic journeyers, and they journeyed to many worlds in the cosmic consciousness. They were also said to have magickal powers. In fact, I believe that it was from these early Taoists that European witchcraft arose. The Taoists were said to be some of the first humans ever to actually cast a magick circle. That also leaked back down into India to become the basis of Tantric Buddhism. At least some scholars have suggested. I also personally see a lot of Taoism in the European Faery Folklore. The Tao there became known as the Toradh (toe-rath). But it's basically the same principle. I've always been attracted to the ideas of the Tao and I feel that it is indeed the closest thing humans have come up with to describe the true essence of our underlying nature. I also believe that it's one of the best philosophies to study to get a handle on a pantheistic view of life. But like I say, it can be seen in many other philosophies as well. See!--I told you so--

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Thu 11/19/09 08:15 PM
I studied Taosim in the 70's. The books I read about Taoism contained other philosophies as well. Taoism was associated with flowing with the underlying spiritual force of life. The "river" of life that flows through all things whether they are 'biologically' living or not. It's my understanding that all of existence is considered to be part of the "life-force" in Taoism and that includes all of the laws of natures (i.e. laws of physics). Taoism was the basic Chinese philosophy that had a major affect on Buddhism and gave birth to the "Zen Buddhism". The Tao and the Zen are basically two words that represent the same concept. More recently as I was studying shamanic journeying I discovered that the Taoists of China where among the first shamanic journeyers, and they journeyed to many worlds in the cosmic consciousness. They were also said to have magickal powers. In fact, I believe that it was from these early Taoists that European witchcraft arose. The Taoists were said to be some of the first humans ever to actually cast a magick circle. That also leaked back down into India to become the basis of Tantric Buddhism. At least some scholars have suggested. I also personally see a lot of Taoism in the European Faery Folklore. The Tao there became known as the Toradh (toe-rath). But it's basically the same principle. I've always been attracted to the ideas of the Tao and I feel that it is indeed the closest thing humans have come up with to describe the true essence of our underlying nature. I also believe that it's one of the best philosophies to study to get a handle on a pantheistic view of life. But like I say, it can be seen in many other philosophies as well. See!--I told you so--

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Thu 11/19/09 08:19 PM
I studied Taosim in the 70's. The books I read about Taoism contained other philosophies as well. Taoism was associated with flowing with the underlying spiritual force of life. The "river" of life that flows through all things whether they are 'biologically' living or not. It's my understanding that all of existence is considered to be part of the "life-force" in Taoism and that includes all of the laws of natures (i.e. laws of physics). Taoism was the basic Chinese philosophy that had a major affect on Buddhism and gave birth to the "Zen Buddhism". The Tao and the Zen are basically two words that represent the same concept. More recently as I was studying shamanic journeying I discovered that the Taoists of China where among the first shamanic journeyers, and they journeyed to many worlds in the cosmic consciousness. They were also said to have magickal powers. In fact, I believe that it was from these early Taoists that European witchcraft arose. The Taoists were said to be some of the first humans ever to actually cast a magick circle. That also leaked back down into India to become the basis of Tantric Buddhism. At least some scholars have suggested. I also personally see a lot of Taoism in the European Faery Folklore. The Tao there became known as the Toradh (toe-rath). But it's basically the same principle. I've always been attracted to the ideas of the Tao and I feel that it is indeed the closest thing humans have come up with to describe the true essence of our underlying nature. I also believe that it's one of the best philosophies to study to get a handle on a pantheistic view of life. But like I say, it can be seen in many other philosophies as well. What a great overview! Thanks, Abra.

artman48 Joined Sun 07/12/09 Posts: 933	Thu 11/19/09 08:19 PM
I studied Taosim in the 70's. The books I read about Taoism contained other philosophies as well. Taoism was associated with flowing with the underlying spiritual force of life. The "river" of life that flows through all things whether they are 'biologically' living or not. It's my understanding that all of existence is considered to be part of the "life-force" in Taoism and that includes all of the laws of natures (i.e. laws of physics). Taoism was the basic Chinese philosophy that had a major affect on Buddhism and gave birth to the "Zen Buddhism". The Tao and the Zen are basically two words that represent the same concept. More recently as I was studying shamanic journeying I discovered that the Taoists of China where among the first shamanic journeyers, and they journeyed to many worlds in the cosmic consciousness. They were also said to have magickal powers. In fact, I believe that it was from these early Taoists that European witchcraft arose. The Taoists were said to be some of the first humans ever to actually cast a magick circle. That also leaked back down into India to become the basis of Tantric Buddhism. At least some scholars have suggested. I also personally see a lot of Taoism in the European Faery Folklore. The Tao there became known as the Toradh (toe-rath). But it's basically the same principle. I've always been attracted to the ideas of the Tao and I feel that it is indeed the closest thing humans have come up with to describe the true essence of our underlying nature. I also believe that it's one of the best philosophies to study to get a handle on a pantheistic view of life. But like I say, it can be seen in many other philosophies as well. See!--I told you so-- You look like an intelligent girl--re-read what was said--and think about it (No slaphead for a time--thanks)

jrbogie Joined Sat 03/01/08 Posts: 2490	Thu 11/19/09 08:32 PM
no interest. don't do groups.

michiganman3 Joined Mon 10/29/07 Posts: 14521	Thu 11/19/09 08:34 PM
That was Zen, This is Tao.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Thu 11/19/09 08:47 PM
That was Zen, This is Tao. That's cute. Kind of a koan of it's owan.

smiless Joined Wed 09/26/07 Posts: 13765	Thu 11/19/09 09:03 PM
Tao is good for you

michiganman3 Joined Mon 10/29/07 Posts: 14521	Thu 11/19/09 09:48 PM
That was Zen, This is Tao. That's cute. Kind of a koan of it's owan. And if you really think about it..it is neither LOLOLOL

EquusDancer Joined Sun 04/05/09 Posts: 6281	Thu 11/19/09 11:15 PM
I studied Taosim in the 70's. The books I read about Taoism contained other philosophies as well. Taoism was associated with flowing with the underlying spiritual force of life. The "river" of life that flows through all things whether they are 'biologically' living or not. It's my understanding that all of existence is considered to be part of the "life-force" in Taoism and that includes all of the laws of natures (i.e. laws of physics). Taoism was the basic Chinese philosophy that had a major affect on Buddhism and gave birth to the "Zen Buddhism". The Tao and the Zen are basically two words that represent the same concept. More recently as I was studying shamanic journeying I discovered that the Taoists of China where among the first shamanic journeyers, and they journeyed to many worlds in the cosmic consciousness. They were also said to have magickal powers. In fact, I believe that it was from these early Taoists that European witchcraft arose. The Taoists were said to be some of the first humans ever to actually cast a magick circle. That also leaked back down into India to become the basis of Tantric Buddhism. At least some scholars have suggested. I also personally see a lot of Taoism in the European Faery Folklore. The Tao there became known as the Toradh (toe-rath). But it's basically the same principle. I've always been attracted to the ideas of the Tao and I feel that it is indeed the closest thing humans have come up with to describe the true essence of our underlying nature. I also believe that it's one of the best philosophies to study to get a handle on a pantheistic view of life. But like I say, it can be seen in many other philosophies as well. I went from the Western Religions to the Eastern Religions, and Taoism led me to shamanism. Dad still thinks I'm Taoist, (he doesn't listen well) but there is a strong shamanic influence within Taoism. I enjoy Taoism as a realtively benign view, and frequently re-read the Tao Te Ching.

creativesoul Joined Mon 04/16/07 Posts: 9166	Thu 11/26/09 09:46 PM
That was Zen, This is Tao. Brilliantly said.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Fri 11/27/09 12:24 AM
That was Zen, This is Tao. That's cute. Kind of a koan of it's owan. And if you really think about it..it is neither LOLOLOL I thought you were making a funny. Like 'That was then, this is now" If you meant that more literally as if to suggest that the Zen and the Tao are different concepts I'd have to beg to differ with you. I recently took a course on the history of Buddhism and Zen Buddhism definitely got it's roots from the Chinese concept of the Tao. In fact, many people claim that Zen Buddhism is so drastically different from the original forms of Buddhism from India that it's a totally different religion/philosophy from the original Buddhism. It's closer to Taoism than to Buddhism even though it's still called Buddhism. I personally don't see a lot of difference in the underlying concepts. I guess that's a matter of personal interpretation, as is the case with all spiritual and/or mystical philosophies.

michiganman3 Joined Mon 10/29/07 Posts: 14521	Fri 11/27/09 01:24 AM
That was Zen, This is Tao. That's cute. Kind of a koan of it's owan. And if you really think about it..it is neither LOLOLOL I thought you were making a funny. Like 'That was then, this is now" If you meant that more literally as if to suggest that the Zen and the Tao are different concepts I'd have to beg to differ with you. I recently took a course on the history of Buddhism and Zen Buddhism definitely got it's roots from the Chinese concept of the Tao. In fact, many people claim that Zen Buddhism is so drastically different from the original forms of Buddhism from India that it's a totally different religion/philosophy from the original Buddhism. It's closer to Taoism than to Buddhism even though it's still called Buddhism. I personally don't see a lot of difference in the underlying concepts. I guess that's a matter of personal interpretation, as is the case with all spiritual and/or mystical philosophies. Zen is totally now, there is no 'was' in Zen. "This is Tao" there is no "this is" to define the Tao, The way that can be spoken of is truly not the way. It started out as a funny statment, then I started thinking about it.

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Fri 11/27/09 01:34 AM
That was Zen, This is Tao. That's cute. Kind of a koan of it's owan. And if you really think about it..it is neither LOLOLOL I thought you were making a funny. Like 'That was then, this is now" If you meant that more literally as if to suggest that the Zen and the Tao are different concepts I'd have to beg to differ with you. I recently took a course on the history of Buddhism and Zen Buddhism definitely got it's roots from the Chinese concept of the Tao. In fact, many people claim that Zen Buddhism is so drastically different from the original forms of Buddhism from India that it's a totally different religion/philosophy from the original Buddhism. It's closer to Taoism than to Buddhism even though it's still called Buddhism. I personally don't see a lot of difference in the underlying concepts. I guess that's a matter of personal interpretation, as is the case with all spiritual and/or mystical philosophies. Zen is totally now, there is no 'was' in Zen. "This is Tao" there is no "this is" to define the Tao, The way that can be spoken of is truly not the way. It started out as a funny statment, then I started thinking about it. I have heard it referred to as just simply "the way".. Is that not an accurate statement?