Sorry, I was just pointing out that "in your post" you had not considered another point of view. I didn't mean that you never have or would not.

Just pickin' Di, you know I love ya!

using your logic then, there must be only one sense; the sense of touch. light must touch the eye in order to see. vibrations in the air must touch the ear in order to hear. a substance must touch the tongue in order to taste. a gas or vapor must touch the nose if one is to smell.

So not only do you deny historical facts (the president (Theodore Vail) of AT&T determined AT&T's market strategy), you argued on and on about monopolies without understanding that there is more than one kind (and you called the accepted theories and principles of Economics on Monopolies, rubbish) and now you deny science, when it says that humans have 10 senses.

How can you say "well i'm scientific minded to the max" with a straight face? Don't you mean that you believe in science as long as SpiderCMB doesn't believe in it?

Different stimuli are received by different nerves or sensors. The different receptors make them different senses.

"scientific minded to the max". phttft. That's the best joke I've heard all day.

I consider Dreaming, imagination, and memory very differnt things and not all are a function of cognition. I come this opinion through the scientific information.

For example:
Imagination is a function of cognition becasue we have to analize, organize and relate to what we are imagining.

Memory - by itself, are bits of data in various storage locations in the brain and are only brought into cognition when relavent to the particular event being experienced at the moment.

Dreaming - is not cognition on an aware level. The brain, like the heart functions from the beginning of life to the end of life, it never ceases. It cannot stop because it must continue to regulate and maintain the homeostasis of bodily functions.

For this reason, when we sleep, the parts of the brain that respond to our senses in the waking state are deprived of sense stimulation. But becasue it must continue to function with the rest of the central nervous system it will make unusual connections.

Example: As we experience REM sleep, our eyes are moving rapidly. The nerve impulses tell the brain we are using our eyes, but there is not optical message to relay. So the brain will often randomly pick out bits of stored memory and relay that to the brain to replace the missing optical signals.

Now, these are strickly scientific explanations. There are other explanations for dreams which some people might assign but in most cases these are not functions of cognition either becasue they do not come through normal physical chains but from another source of consciousness.

http://www.lumosity.com/blog/what-is-cognition/


http://psych.ucsc.edu/dreams/FAQ/


Imagination and memory are facets of cognition. Dreams appear to be a facet of cognition, but the jury is still out.

Cool. 10 senses. Yep I've experienced pressure going up to higher and lower altitudes my ears pop. Swimming deep under water... wow lots of pressure there. And motion... in an elevator I get sick.

There is another sense that is one that warns you of danger. Most animals still have it. Humans have lost it for the most part. I have felt it a few times in my life and it is real.

I have heard that it is well known among people who engage in surveillance that the individuals under surveillance can sense when they are being looked at intently and that the surveillers take this into account as a usual factor in their surveillance. I make no claim as to exactly what the phenomena actually is, but it appears to be very real.

Yes, that is what is sometimes called the sixth sense. It is the predator vs prey sense.

good point. though i don't derive my mindedness from other people, were i to think my mindedness began to coincide with your mindedness i'd begin to worry. lol. we simply share little common ground. not uncommon in forums.

I have no idea what this jumble of words means. Maybe I'm supposed to unjumble the words to find the secret message? Sorry, I don't have a cracker jack decoder ring.

So I will assume you are saying "I will reject accepted science whenever SpiderCMB happens to accept it."

lol. assume as you wish. but it'll be scary if we ever agree on what accepted science is huh? curious though. don't recall discussing science topics with you. what science do you accept that i don't or visa versa?

For starters, that humans have 10 senses.

I'm wondering, Spider, if you think it's ok to accept things other than science, as long as those things don't conflict with science?

What do you mean?

Bohm's concept of "The Holographic Universe" for example. Or the idea of being able to sense when one is being watched. Or the concept of "spirit". Or the Remote Viewing and telekinesis investigated by PEAR and ICRL.

Really, anything that is "outside the limits" of science.

I'm suspicious of claims of the supernatural.

I believe that humans have a spirit, but I don't believe we have a connection to the spiritual realm.

The standing wave theory of atoms makes sense to me. It is in opposition of modern science, but it's opposing something that science has never been able to agree on or understand. The whole particle or wave issue. I think that the fact that the inward pushing wave is all that holds the universe together is an inspiring thought. It would confirm what Christians believe, that God holds the universe together. Also, the idea that the human mind is somehow projected into the human brain also agrees with my own understanding of how the soul works in the human body. I also find the holographic universe theory as evidence for a personal God. The universe couldn't be God, because it's held together by an external force, making it so that matter exists. The holographic theory of the universe also offers hope to the belief that the universe was created in six days. It's a very powerful theory to support a belief in the Judeo-Christian God.

There is a lot of possibility to the theory of a holographic universe, but I think that most proponents simplify the issue beyond what is rational and I know that a lot of research is necessary before I will jump one way or the other.

New science always starts out with hypothesis and I'm open to hypothesis that fit the existing scientific data.

believing in gods and spirits is believing in the supernatural.

Yes and I approached that belief in a suspicious manner. I wasn't always a Christian and I have always been fascinated by science. I wouldn't accept any belief that I didn't think best fit the given data. Since I have been convinced through personal experience and rational arguments that the Christian theology is true, I have accepted certain other beliefs simply on faith. This isn't an uncomfortable position for me to be in, because once I had been convinced that a omnipotent being exists, I had no reason to doubt that he could part the Red Sea, flood the earth or manifest as a pillar of fire. It's people who say "How could God flood the earth" who have lost connection to reality. To accept that an omnipotent creator of the universe exists, but insist that he couldn't create more water, that seems irrational to me.