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Topic: Health bill clears hurdle with support from Snowe
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Tue 10/13/09 08:18 PM
WASHINGTON – Historic legislation to expand U.S. health care and control costs won its first Republican supporter Tuesday and cleared a key Senate hurdle, a double-barreled triumph that propelled President Barack Obama's signature issue toward votes this fall in both houses of Congress.

"When history calls, history calls," said Maine Republican Olympia Snowe, whose declaration of support ended weeks of suspense and provided the only drama of a 14-9 vote in the Senate Finance Committee. With her decision, the 62-year-old lawmaker bucked her own leadership on the most high-profile issue of the year in Congress, and gave the drive to remake health care at least a hint of the bipartisanship that Obama seeks.

At the White House, Obama called the events "a critical milestone" toward remaking the nation's health care system. He praised Snowe as well as Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the committee, and declared, "We are going to get this done."

There were fresh challenges. Within minutes of the vote, labor unions and large business organizations both demanded changes in the bill, which was an attempt at a middle-of-the-road measure fashioned by the committee under Baucus' leadership.

Still, nearly nine months after the president pledged in his Inaugural Address to tackle health care, legislation to expand coverage to millions who lack it has now advanced further than President Bill Clinton's ill-fated effort more than a decade ago — or any other attempt in more than a generation.

The next move in the Senate is up to Majority Leader Harry Reid, whose office said the full Senate would begin debate on the issue the week of Oct. 26.

Nominally, Reid must first blend the bill that cleared during the day with a version that passed earlier in the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. But in reality, the majority leader — with the participation of the White House — has a virtual free hand in fashioning a measure to wind up gaining the 60 votes needed to overcome a threatened Republican filibuster.

"The bottom line here is we need a final bill, a merged bill, that gets 60 votes," Baucus said. "Our goal is to pass health care reform not just talk about it."

Reid's most politically sensitive decision revolves around proposals for the federal government to sell insurance in competition with private industry. The Senate bill approved in committee during the day omits the provision, while the one passed earlier includes it and many House Democrats support it as well.

In general, bills moving toward floor votes in both houses would require most Americans to purchase insurance, provide federal subsidies to help those of lower incomes afford coverage and give small businesses help in defraying the cost of coverage for their workers.

The measures would bar insurance companies from denying coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions, and for the first time limit their ability to charge higher premiums on the basis of age or family size. Expanded coverage would be paid for by cutting hundreds of billions of dollars from future Medicare payments to health care providers. Each house also envisions higher taxes — an income tax surcharge on million-dollar wage-earners in the case of the House, and a new excise levy on insurance companies selling high-cost policies in the case of the Senate Finance Committee bill.

Apart from Snowe, Republicans on the committee cited higher taxes, a greater federal role in the insurance industry and other concerns as they lined up to oppose the bill.

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, said the legislation would place the nation on a "slippery slope to more and more government control of health care."

Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, elicited testimony earlier from the head of the Congressional Budget Committee that a substantial portion of the bill's tax increases would fall on groups Obama has vowed would be protected: individuals making $200,000 or less and couples below $250,000.

Snowe, too, said there were problems with the bill, but on balance, the risks of doing nothing were too great.

"We should also contemplate the decades of inaction that have brought us to this crossroads," she said. "The status quo approach has produced one glaring common denominator, that is that we have a problem that is growing worse, not better."

The vote made the Finance Committee the last of five in Congress to complete its work on health care. It also marked a personal triumph for Baucus, who weathered criticism from fellow Democrats after his attempt at bipartisanship cratered earlier this fall after months of exhaustive effort. In the end, disgruntled liberals on the panel, including Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia and Ron Wyden of Oregon, went along in hopes the bill eventually would be reshaped more to their liking.

Across the Capitol, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her lieutenants have been at work for weeks trying to blend legislation approved by three House committees. The eventual result is certain to include a government option, but the details of the plan have split the rank-and-file and leaders have spent days struggling with the issue.

One group favors allowing the government to negotiate with doctors, hospitals and other health care providers for fees to be paid to treat patients who have federal insurance policies, an approach that involves higher costs for the government.

The other, lower-cost approach envisions a fixed payment schedule linked to Medicare. Officials say that alternative was quietly sweetened in recent days for the benefit of hospitals, medical device makers and others to put them on an even plane with doctors.

Apart from the details of the emerging bills, there were signs that the political struggle was intensifying.

Several officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said business groups were discussing plans to step up their opposition to legislation. The health insurance industry made clear its own unhappiness on Monday when it released a study by the prominent auditing firm, PricewaterhouseCoopers, saying the Finance Committee bill would raise premiums significantly for millions who already have insurance.

The report drew intense criticism from the White House, Democrats in Congress and other advocates of the legislation. By Monday night, the auditing firm appeared to backpedal, issuing a statement acknowledging its report was based only on an analysis of four provisions in the proposed legislation.

In another sign of its more aggressive stance against Baucus' bill, the health insurance industry began airing TV ads in six states on Sunday criticizing the Finance Committee bill for the more than $100 billion in cuts it would make in Medicare Advantage, under which private insurance companies provide Medicare benefits.

They quoted the Congressional Budget Office as saying many seniors "will see cuts in benefits."

America's Health Insurance Plans, the industry's trade group, is running the ads in Louisiana, Colorado, Missouri, New Mexico and Pennsylvania, and in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's home state of Nevada. The group declined to reveal how much the ad campaign cost.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091014/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul


Now off to the Senate.

We will see how much more they can mangle it there.

I wonder how many of them read it?

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Wed 10/14/09 03:24 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Wed 10/14/09 03:25 AM
if the insurance industry hates it - it is a GOOD sign...
the more they despise it the better it is.

drinker

i know so many people the health insurers have jerked around,
taken their money, denied their benefits, denied them coverage....

it's over. "history called" - now everybody has to show their hand

laugh

but we are on our way to single-payer, better coverage and care,
and dramatically lower cost.

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Wed 10/14/09 03:27 AM
I have health Ins. and still can't afford it or to see a Doc.tears

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Wed 10/14/09 05:06 AM

if the insurance industry hates it - it is a GOOD sign...
the more they despise it the better it is.

drinker

i know so many people the health insurers have jerked around,
taken their money, denied their benefits, denied them coverage....

it's over. "history called" - now everybody has to show their hand

laugh

but we are on our way to single-payer, better coverage and care,
and dramatically lower cost.

Absolutely drinker

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Wed 10/14/09 07:30 AM
As of now the unions don't like it either.

There is a part in it where there is a tax on the "cadillac" policies and that would affect most union members. They are sposed to be saying something about it.

There is no public option in it.

Goes to the senate on the 26th I believe I heard. Where they can change itfrom the way it came to them.

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Wed 10/14/09 08:00 AM

As of now the unions don't like it either.

There is a part in it where there is a tax on the "cadillac" policies and that would affect most union members. They are sposed to be saying something about it.

There is no public option in it.

Goes to the senate on the 26th I believe I heard. Where they can change itfrom the way it came to them.


Yes the unions put out an add opposing this.

God help us.
:angel: whoa

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Wed 10/14/09 08:36 AM
The funniest thing is because 1 repulican voted for it
Obama is calling it a bipartisan bill.
I allmost spit my coffee out when I heard thatlaugh

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Wed 10/14/09 08:42 AM
This particular bill is by not means a done deal. If it comes without a public plan it's worthless frankly, and definately worthless as it stands right this minute. Those that voted yes on it just did so to move it out of that committee to prevent having to start over, only, it's not an endorsement of it as it sits now.

Personally I am sick to death of the whole thing.

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Wed 10/14/09 08:46 AM

The funniest thing is because 1 repulican voted for it
Obama is calling it a bipartisan bill.
I allmost spit my coffee out when I heard thatlaugh


and it's not like they even needed her vote.. Rather than being 13-10, it was 14-9.. talk about a token vote.. Snow isn't really a conservative, she's a RINO.

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Wed 10/14/09 08:53 AM
Now Rahm Emanuel has democratic senaters in a locked room working on combining their 2 bills.

No repulicans were invited. There goes bipartisanship OUT THE WINDOW!
And what happened to that whole TRANSPARENCY thing?

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Wed 10/14/09 09:32 AM

Now Rahm Emanuel has democratic senaters in a locked room working on combining their 2 bills.

No repulicans were invited. There goes bipartisanship OUT THE WINDOW!
And what happened to that whole TRANSPARENCY thing?


Not sure how you have bipartisan with one side voting no one everything and doing everything they can to prevent it in the first place.

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Wed 10/14/09 09:55 AM


Now Rahm Emanuel has democratic senaters in a locked room working on combining their 2 bills.

No repulicans were invited. There goes bipartisanship OUT THE WINDOW!
And what happened to that whole TRANSPARENCY thing?


Not sure how you have bipartisan with one side voting no one everything and doing everything they can to prevent it in the first place.


Why should they vote 'yes' on something their constituents are vehemently opposed to? Why should they vote 'yes' on something they are philosophically opposed to?

Put in some measures that conservatives believe in, like tort reform or tax deductibility for health care costs or take the restriction on flexcare accounts, and you might get some to go along..

but asking people to go along with things they don't agree with and then whining about lack of cooperation.. give me a break.. go back to the kiddie pool

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Wed 10/14/09 10:03 AM

Now Rahm Emanuel has democratic senaters in a locked room working on combining their 2 bills.

No repulicans were invited. There goes bipartisanship OUT THE WINDOW!
And what happened to that whole TRANSPARENCY thing?


Maybe their means of transparency has a different meaning, but last time I check it is still the same.

So what some are saying is because others oppose it that they shouldn't be allowed to debate? Is that what I'm hearing? If so, wow, hello socialism. noway Fruit loops debating themselves with no opposing view, wow, what a concept.

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Wed 10/14/09 10:22 AM


Now Rahm Emanuel has democratic senaters in a locked room working on combining their 2 bills.

No repulicans were invited. There goes bipartisanship OUT THE WINDOW!
And what happened to that whole TRANSPARENCY thing?


Not sure how you have bipartisan with one side voting no one everything and doing everything they can to prevent it in the first place.

boo do you not think the repubicans would be more wiling to vote yes on something if they could be involved in the debate and what is out in the bill.

Aren't the democrats voting no on everything the rebulicans want to add by not allowing them in on the debates. And being in a locked room while they merge the two democratic bills together?

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Wed 10/14/09 10:23 AM



Now Rahm Emanuel has democratic senaters in a locked room working on combining their 2 bills.

No repulicans were invited. There goes bipartisanship OUT THE WINDOW!
And what happened to that whole TRANSPARENCY thing?


Not sure how you have bipartisan with one side voting no one everything and doing everything they can to prevent it in the first place.

boo do you not think the repubicans would be more wiling to vote yes on something if they could be involved in the debate and what is out in the bill.

Aren't the democrats voting no on everything the rebulicans want to add by not allowing them in on the debates. And being in a locked room while they merge the two democratic bills together?

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Wed 10/14/09 10:30 AM



Now Rahm Emanuel has democratic senaters in a locked room working on combining their 2 bills.

No repulicans were invited. There goes bipartisanship OUT THE WINDOW!
And what happened to that whole TRANSPARENCY thing?


Not sure how you have bipartisan with one side voting no one everything and doing everything they can to prevent it in the first place.

boo do you not think the repubicans would be more wiling to vote yes on something if they could be involved in the debate and what is out in the bill.

Aren't the democrats voting no on everything the rebulicans want to add by not allowing them in on the debates. And being in a locked room while they merge the two democratic bills together?


You don't understand, do you, TJ?

The Demoncrat idea of bipartisanship is "Do what I want and keep your mouth shut. We do not want to hear your ideas and we don't care that you have ideas in the first place"

and the Demoncrat's purpose of "reaching across the isle" is to put a pair of handcuffs on anyone that extends to them their hand..

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Wed 10/14/09 10:34 AM




Now Rahm Emanuel has democratic senaters in a locked room working on combining their 2 bills.

No repulicans were invited. There goes bipartisanship OUT THE WINDOW!
And what happened to that whole TRANSPARENCY thing?


Not sure how you have bipartisan with one side voting no one everything and doing everything they can to prevent it in the first place.

boo do you not think the repubicans would be more wiling to vote yes on something if they could be involved in the debate and what is out in the bill.

Aren't the democrats voting no on everything the rebulicans want to add by not allowing them in on the debates. And being in a locked room while they merge the two democratic bills together?



You don't understand, do you, TJ?

The Demoncrat idea of bipartisanship is "Do what I want and keep your mouth shut. We do not want to hear your ideas and we don't care that you have ideas in the first place"

and the Demoncrat's purpose of "reaching across the isle" is to put a pair of handcuffs on anyone that extends to them their hand..


Wow raiderfan, well said because that surely is the perception I've been getting for a long time. grumble

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Wed 10/14/09 01:06 PM
Edited by boo2u on Wed 10/14/09 01:19 PM



Now Rahm Emanuel has democratic senaters in a locked room working on combining their 2 bills.

No repulicans were invited. There goes bipartisanship OUT THE WINDOW!
And what happened to that whole TRANSPARENCY thing?


Not sure how you have bipartisan with one side voting no one everything and doing everything they can to prevent it in the first place.

boo do you not think the repubicans would be more wiling to vote yes on something if they could be involved in the debate and what is out in the bill.

Aren't the democrats voting no on everything the rebulicans want to add by not allowing them in on the debates. And being in a locked room while they merge the two democratic bills together?


What do I know? I'm just a liberal bleeding heart socialist communist [DEMONCRAT]... any other labels I missed?

No matter what I say it will be called propaganda or some thing worse.


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Wed 10/14/09 01:13 PM
Edited by TJN on Wed 10/14/09 01:14 PM




Now Rahm Emanuel has democratic senaters in a locked room working on combining their 2 bills.

No repulicans were invited. There goes bipartisanship OUT THE WINDOW!
And what happened to that whole TRANSPARENCY thing?


Not sure how you have bipartisan with one side voting no one everything and doing everything they can to prevent it in the first place.

boo do you not think the repubicans would be more wiling to vote yes on something if they could be involved in the debate and what is out in the bill.

Aren't the democrats voting no on everything the rebulicans want to add by not allowing them in on the debates. And being in a locked room while they merge the two democratic bills together?


What do I know? I'm just a liberal bleeding heart socialist communist [DEMONRAT]... any other labels I missed?

No matter what I say it will be called propaganda or some thing worse.




Nobody called you any thing. And you didn't answer my question.

I asked if the democrats coulld be called the party of no because they are in a locked room merging the 2 democratic bills. No offer was made to any repulicans to join in this meeting.

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Wed 10/14/09 01:51 PM





Now Rahm Emanuel has democratic senaters in a locked room working on combining their 2 bills.

No repulicans were invited. There goes bipartisanship OUT THE WINDOW!
And what happened to that whole TRANSPARENCY thing?


Not sure how you have bipartisan with one side voting no one everything and doing everything they can to prevent it in the first place.

boo do you not think the repubicans would be more wiling to vote yes on something if they could be involved in the debate and what is out in the bill.

Aren't the democrats voting no on everything the rebulicans want to add by not allowing them in on the debates. And being in a locked room while they merge the two democratic bills together?


What do I know? I'm just a liberal bleeding heart socialist communist [DEMONRAT]... any other labels I missed?

No matter what I say it will be called propaganda or some thing worse.




Nobody called you any thing. And you didn't answer my question.

I asked if the democrats coulld be called the party of no because they are in a locked room merging the 2 democratic bills. No offer was made to any repulicans to join in this meeting.



they don't want to answer any question tto which they know the proper answer is self incriminating..

The right side of the isle has been completely left out of the process.. none of the ideas that Republicans have offered have been given any consideration at all, despite the fact The One said he'd consider any ideas no matter who they came from.. well, we all know that means, "you can have ideas and we might pay them token attention but they have no chance of getting into any bills we'll consider"

the only people they're concerned about working with are already half way Democrats to begin with..

But I'll ask again since no one answered..



Why should they vote 'yes' on something their constituents are vehemently opposed to? Why should they vote 'yes' on something they are philosophically opposed to?

Put in some measures that conservatives believe in, like tort reform or tax deductibility for health care costs or take the restriction on flexcare accounts, and you might get some to go along..

but asking people to go along with things they don't agree with and then whining about lack of cooperation.. give me a break.. go back to the kiddie pool


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