Topic: 72 year old woman getting tazered!?
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Wed 10/14/09 10:25 AM

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Wed 10/14/09 12:23 PM

That thin Blue wall you speak of is all there is between the criminals and society in general.

Do I think every arrest is legit or even done politely? No. I am the first person to hang a bad cop out to dry. If it were and unwarranted arrest or she had not struggled and been Tazed I would be saying foul too and fileing charges for abuse of power.

But Citizen's give Police the authority to stop, detain, and arrest people of all ages on the spot who are suspected of breaking the law. The person with any respect for society will defend their actions when they get in front of the judge, not abuse and arresting officer of the People.

Adults with brains and respect know to shut up, do what they are told, and cooperate when spoken to by the authority vested in and officer, judge, or other public official. Not pick and choose who they take direction from. Or go home first just because they are old and don't feel like it. From what has been said this woman actively resisted arrest and was trying to harm the officer.

He is MY paid defender and I, as a citizen, do not agree that he has to tolerate being disrespected or abused by a suspect anymore than I would if I were there doing it myself.

The majority of the time people who don't act like criminals are not treated like criminals. Do sometimes cops get a little jumpy and cuff people at the scene while they are sorting things out? Or tell people to shut up before they hear the whole story. Yes. I am a woman of color and more than once I have had to stand fuming while cops figure out who's who and what is going on at a scene. It is irratateing, and embarrassing, but generally when the smoke clears the officers are professional, polite, and even caring and helpful to the people who are in the right and act civil. I can't tell you the number of times that officer's help the elderly especially.

So that thin blue line that so many want to call a conspiracy or abuse of power gets my support, gratitiude, and the benifit of the doubt.




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Wed 10/14/09 12:27 PM

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Wed 10/14/09 12:31 PM








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Wed 10/14/09 12:33 PM

We used that police video in my criminology class for a discussion on police procedure. We were also given copies of the incident report.

She didn't comply to his command (for handcuffs) and she was tazered.

The topic of debate was whether the officer felt he was in fear of his life to use non-lethal force.

His report stated she rushed him and threw a "punch". The legal definition of assault is the ATTEMPT to hit whereas actual battery is the connection of an assault.

Examples: ASSAULT - throw a punch or spitting but missing. BATTERY: squirt someone with a hose (during a verbal) or spitting on them and it lands.

I sided with the officer after reading the police report. Even though she was a 72 year old woman, she did not comply and she "dared" him to tazer her after she squared off to him and threw a punch. She was a wild and wily 72 years old! Mouthy and all about being trouble! :laughing:

In this day and age of police shootings and other bodily harm that befalls our officers, I don't think anyone is above the compliance law regardless of age, gender, being with child, or handicapped.

When an officer gives a lawful command -- our reaction as citizens is to comply (period). The officers are simply following the law -- and the courtroom is here we dispute, defend, and seek justice. I am not saying the system is perfect -- not by a long shot -- but I staunchly support the officers in the field. winking

Please don't get tired of hearing this: I am almost done with my master's!!! 16 more units after this semester! :banana:
I will be a criminologist and court expert witness during trials!!! Hmmm, kind of scary!! scared :laughing:



Melody,

It's awesome that you are so close to getting your master's to be a criminologist.drinker drinker

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Wed 10/14/09 12:33 PM

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Wed 10/14/09 12:35 PM




Mirror, will you share some of your soda?

I guess "country guy" didn't read that I excused myself from the discussion after realizing we DISAGREE.

I refuse to argue with a computer screen or with someone that wants to run around in circles. frustrated :laughing:

I stated my point abundantly; therefore, I am OK with being the audience now.

Oh, any more popcorn left? drinks


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Wed 10/14/09 12:38 PM

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Fri 10/16/09 04:19 PM
Miss "I am going to be a CRIMINOLOGIST",This is for you.
You said you do not do circular arguements and none have been presented to you..You are good at evading questions so why don't try answering these two....
My first question is why we hire Officers who can not defend themselves from bodily harm from a 74 year old woman without the use of what could be deadly force.For this officer to claim he was in harms way would be ludicrous to say the least considering his size.If he were in danger ,I might not pose this question but it is clear there was no dangerous situation..
Question 2.......Hypothetically we are a couple...you spit on me and I tazer you. OR You throw a punch at me and miss and I tazer you..Now before you did either action ,I warned you ....do not do it and you proceed..Do you still believe that I should be prosecuted? Or is that a rule only for the police?

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Fri 10/16/09 04:35 PM
Edited by MelodyGirl on Fri 10/16/09 05:10 PM

CountryMike


Enjoy your day flowerforyou

MOVE ON :laughing:

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Fri 10/16/09 04:37 PM
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Fri 10/16/09 04:52 PM

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Fri 10/16/09 04:56 PM
more cops need to get run over and die.

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Fri 10/16/09 05:33 PM

more cops need to get run over and die.

That is not nice.I have no respect for an out of line officer...however to wish ill upon the police as a whole is a very sad place for you to be in life..A young man I raised for 17 years is a officer in Jax florida and he is one of the good men out there and I take your comments as a slam to him...Why do you think that way is my concern...If you would please elaborate..

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Fri 10/16/09 05:47 PM

That is not nice.I have no respect for an out of line officer...however to wish ill upon the police as a whole is a very sad place for you to be in life..A young man I raised for 17 years is a officer in Jax florida and he is one of the good men out there and I take your comments as a slam to him...Why do you think that way is my concern...If you would please elaborate..


my sympathies, i'm sorry the young man u raised decided on such a despicable career.

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Fri 10/16/09 05:53 PM
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Fri 10/16/09 05:53 PM


I highly recommend watching this video and listening to Nine Inch Nails The Day The World Went Away, very excellent combination.smokin

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Fri 10/16/09 05:54 PM


That is not nice.I have no respect for an out of line officer...however to wish ill upon the police as a whole is a very sad place for you to be in life..A young man I raised for 17 years is a officer in Jax florida and he is one of the good men out there and I take your comments as a slam to him...Why do you think that way is my concern...If you would please elaborate..


my sympathies, i'm sorry the young man u raised decided on such a despicable career.


I raised this boy with compassion for others and basicaslly to have a passive nature...He chose to defend your country for ten years in the Navy SEAR unit which is rescue in the midst of battle..Very noble I would think...He did not sign up to go out and kill but a want to help others that need help at the worst of times...He has carried that attitude with him to the police department and took a big cut in pay to do it.So you may think that is despicable....I think it is Honorable...The sad part is he spends most of his day protecting folks who would spit on him unless they need help.Folks like you!!

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Fri 10/16/09 05:58 PM
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Fri 10/16/09 06:01 PM



That is not nice.I have no respect for an out of line officer...however to wish ill upon the police as a whole is a very sad place for you to be in life..A young man I raised for 17 years is a officer in Jax florida and he is one of the good men out there and I take your comments as a slam to him...Why do you think that way is my concern...If you would please elaborate..


my sympathies, i'm sorry the young man u raised decided on such a despicable career.


I raised this boy with compassion for others and basicaslly to have a passive nature...He chose to defend your country for ten years in the Navy SEAR unit which is rescue in the midst of battle..Very noble I would think...He did not sign up to go out and kill but a want to help others that need help at the worst of times...He has carried that attitude with him to the police department and took a big cut in pay to do it.So you may think that is despicable....I think it is Honorable...The sad part is he spends most of his day protecting folks who would spit on him unless they need help.Folks like you!!


Sorry, but most cops don't "protect"...most tend to abuse their power and use it against law abiding citizens, however, according to the video this wasn't the case. But more often than not cops are power hungry, not the most noble of jobs to get into...why not a fire fighter or an EMT? Right, because they want action, shootouts and whatnot...well, when that fails (think it is somewhere around 5-10% of cops are actually involved in shootouts) then they have to exert that aggression somewhere, don't they?

I personally don't respect cops, wouldn't go so far as to spit on them...but I hardly respect them as the profession they stand for is counter-active more often than not.