Who is Hussein?

Reconsidering the closing date does not mean it will not close.

We need to be concerned with all the other prison camps that are doing the same thing that Gitmo has done.

It is going to take some time.

Hell Obama has only been in office for 8 months, not long enough to do anything of great magnitude.

Hell Obama has only been in office for 8 months, not long enough to do anything of great magnitude.

Reconsidering the closing date does not mean it will not close.

We need to be concerned with all the other prison camps that are doing the same thing that Gitmo has done.

It is going to take some time.

Hell Obama has only been in office for 8 months, not long enough to do anything of great magnitude.

He'll never do anything of great magnitude, except get ousted like carter and bush 1.

In 2 years ya'll be sayin' da' same thang. He's only been in office 2 years, not long enough to do anything.
Yep. 8 months of excuses to get anything done.
That's why I call it impotence.
Mo' n mo' folks, at least 65%, is gettin' tard o' all dem excuses.

He is the one who promised to close gitmo in 12 months, now he has flip-flopped.

He was going to end "dont ask dont tell". Nope, not that either after all.

He was going to end the war and bring the troops home. Now not so much. And hes going to start his own war with iran.

He was only going to tax income over 250,000. Now its everyone in the country, forced to buy insurance or get fined/taxed.

Wow, some change..

Reconsidering the closing date does not mean it will not close.

We need to be concerned with all the other prison camps that are doing the same thing that Gitmo has done.

It is going to take some time.

Hell Obama has only been in office for 8 months, not long enough to do anything of great magnitude.

he's wrecked the economy...he's takin' over two car companies...and...handed them over to the unions...he's nationlized the banks...he's nationalized student loans...he's on his way to quadrupling the national debt...unemployments reaching 10%...the US currency is worthless...he's trying to take over 20% of the economy with government run healthcare...our allies are in shock...and...our enemies are all in agreement with a forgein policy...thats a fuggin' joke...Regans cry was..." tear down this wall "...Obama's cry is..." tear down this country "...and he does it...every chance he gets...the list goes on and on and on...so I ask...nothing of great magnitude ?...

He went as far as he could with closing gitmo, right? If congress holds him up, that is not his fault.

-----It has nothing to do with congress, he has executive power. Go back and read a middle school level book on how the government works.


Don't ask don't tell? In the military? That is not going to be so easy to do. Complicated issue there.

-----He is the one who promised to do it. It requires one stroke of the pen for the commander in chief, ball point pens are not complicated.


He said the troops would start returning home within 16 months, I think. He has only had 8 months.

------He has already said he is reniging on that promise and is likely sending MORE troops and is starting a NEW WAR with Iran!


Healthcare and Income taxes are two different things, tying them together is not logical.

-------I agree but it is your savior obama who says he is taxing people who make over 250,000 to pay for his health care proposal.

I am noticing a current among obama supporters, you support him and attack all his detractors. Yet you dont even know what his plans are. The ones who do know what he has said and done, the informed electorate, are against him. the ignorant are for him.


I am not sure why I am explaining anything to you though, I believe you have shown you do not like him because he is not white, if I am not mistaken.

What a bunch of garbage. I don't think you said one true thing the whole rant. You have blamed him for Bush blunders and exxagerated to the point of unbelievablity.

You know you guys could make better selling points if you would be truthful.

You are absolutely mistaken. Not only have I argued at length that the people who oppose obama do not do it only for race, I have mentioned two black men, Thomas Sowell and Herman Cain, who i would vote for in a heartbeat and so would 90% of the people who dont like obama.

Check them out, if you dont start supporting them you are a racist.

http://www.hermancain.com/

http://www.tsowell.com/

Name individually which one of those things are not true. Every one of them is a fact as far as I can tell, you always make one sweeping generality ( like the klan does) and refuse to post any sort of fact to back it up. Its a few keystrokes away on google, If you want to debate you need to provide data.

Very funny. If all else fails be the mirror huh?

-----------Please explain what that means.

Okay you just believed alot of racially prejudice propaganda tools that lead to demonizing the race in general then? I am trying to remember why had dismissed your rants.

-------------Where have I done that? You know how to operate the quote button so get to it.

Oh I remember you are the one who is using the old and very overly used communist ploy to demonize the president....lol Yea I remember.
And you had bought into a few of the racists greatest hits too.

---------Again, quote it. I posted a detailed and documented explanation of which of obamas ideals are in the communist manifesto.

You do know communism was real right? You do realize it is the second most popular political philosophy on earth and the most popular if you go by number of adherents. This is from the congressional record, look at how many of these goals have happened since 1963:

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

Note by Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not be digitized and posted on the Internet.

It will probably be available at your nearest library that is a federal repository. Call them and ask them. Your college library is probably a repository. This is an excellent source of government records. Another source are your Congress Critters. They should be more than happy to help you in this matter. You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting at this point.

Webmaster Forest Glen Durland found the document in the library.

Sources are listed below.

Microfilm: California State University at San Jose Clark Library, Government Floor Phone (408)924-2770 Microfilm Call Number: J 11.R5

Congressional Record, Vol. 109 88th Congress, 1st Session Appendix Pages A1-A2842 Jan. 9-May 7, 1963 Reel 12




It is cool. I just hope noone believes all the propaganda you throw around because it isn't accurate.

This is all my opinion here of course.

I only want to debate ligimate information.

There is way too much lies and inaccuracies there to even begin. I would say do your research and come back when you have been better informed. It is not my job to school the fox zombies.

Again, I think you need to stop the stereotyping and generalities and document.

I cant seem to get you to understand my respectful request for you to answer my questions or follow the debate,

Hey, Mr. Brewer.
You're pretty new here. Welcome.
It's ok. A lot of us are very familiar with the dodging, generalizing and name calling. That's why we stop attempting to debate with those do that.
I debate with those willing to debate intead of making excuses for their Savior-in-Chief Hussein.