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Topic: Israel-- America's ticking timebomb ?
s1owhand's photo
Wed 09/23/09 04:42 AM

don't know why previous post, posted twice.

Slo1hand....Hamas didn't fire rockets for the heck of it. Israel violated the cease fire treaty by cutting off food, water, and electricity. Of course the media won't report that. Could that be why Israel wouldn't allow any journalists into the area? Please don't speak on something you don't know about. My family is there, their info is more credible than any news outlet.
israel is illegally occupying the west bank straight up, God forbid Palestinians try to defend their homes.


Plenty of journalists reported on the war. Restrictions on coverage from within the urban warfare environment was no different than any other war.

Israel restricted food and water and supplies to a regime which ignored the cease-fire on a daily basis by launching thousands of missiles into homes and schools indiscriminately. Many months of warnings were given. The Hamas administration which is opposed to peace with Israel on principle refused to accept peaceful coexistence and this forced Israel to act.

Launching missiles, bombing schools and buses and restaurants are the tactics of Hamas and Al-Qaida. These are not a means of defense which is permissible even in wartime. Anyone would agree that such acts are war crimes. Actual warfare and blockades are not war crimes. All that is required for peace and prosperity for the Palestinians is that they put down their bombs and rockets, accept Israel and live peacefully. Anyone who has examined the long history of the area, with the original state of Israel, the Romans, the Syrians, the Turks, the British, the Egyptians, the Jordanians...realizes that the land which both Israel and the Palestinians claim has been under the governmental control of a wide variety of people throughout history.


MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 09/23/09 11:39 AM

LOL common sense.tell that to my parents who were murdered right before my very eyes at the age of five by isrealis..just because we didn't want to give up our home that had been in our family for generations.
let's not also forget their own people that get detained for speaking out against the illegal occupation .
peace
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s1owhand's photo
Wed 09/23/09 05:50 PM
Edited by s1owhand on Wed 09/23/09 05:55 PM
The Misconception of "Occupation"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0-q8eFOJDI

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf19.html

s1owhand's photo
Wed 09/23/09 05:53 PM
A Picture History of the Land of Israel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdH0XxDEjG4

markumX's photo
Wed 09/23/09 08:53 PM
of course Youtube and jewishvirtuallibrary are non biased and accurate sources of information ::rolls eyes::
Please tell me why you support Israel if you're not a jew when you're considered to be Cattle in the Talmud.

cashu's photo
Wed 09/23/09 09:39 PM
Edited by cashu on Wed 09/23/09 09:42 PM

The State of Israel

Established in 1948 as the Jewish State, struggling for its safe existence and in constants pursuit of peaceful coexistence with its neighbors; from history and geography, to politics and economy, here are the facts about the State of Israel



The State of Israel was formed on May 15 1948 as a Jewish state and a democratic republic. Over time it became one of the only two democracies in the Middle East, the other being Turkey.


Not in the books I read . They took up guns and started shooting the arabs they claim as family , shooting people who didn't care if they came there to live . They are not a democracy they don,t let the arabs or non jews vote . there not a democracy .

Ladylid2012's photo
Wed 09/23/09 09:43 PM

LOL common sense.tell that to my parents who were murdered right before my very eyes at the age of five by isrealis..just because we didn't want to give up our home that had been in our family for generations.
let's not also forget their own people that get detained for speaking out against the illegal occupation .
peace


flowerforyou

Quietman_2009's photo
Wed 09/23/09 09:44 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Wed 09/23/09 09:44 PM
they have been in a stalemate for what? 50 years?

I doubt anyone is gonna solve the problem in these threads

there is too much that the Israelis AND the Palestinians wont budge on

cashu's photo
Wed 09/23/09 09:51 PM


Speaking totally neutrally but with an interest in the subject, should America think about cutting its ties with Israel, especially in light of the recent conflict with Palestine where several crimes against humanity were committed. I know each story has two sides and many say it is tit for tat with these two states but would Israel be as forceful if America withdrew its support ?

America will never cut ties with Israel because the Jewish lobby, the neo cons, the Zionists are very powerful in Washington and they direct the American foreign policy . They are in very high public and business places and anything against Israel will be sot down in seconds and not in minutes . This is the American reality as it stands in this century .

I don't agree with you completely but there's a lot of truth in what you say . I don't see why we back them up as much as we do except that they would have to come here and live if they get thrown out . and I for one are sick of people coming here because the won't live with there neighbours . then they come here and start talking about the indian wars . or come here because there to chicken to demand a better wage from there employers ...

s1owhand's photo
Thu 09/24/09 05:07 AM

of course Youtube and jewishvirtuallibrary are non biased and accurate sources of information ::rolls eyes::
Please tell me why you support Israel if you're not a jew when you're considered to be Cattle in the Talmud.


I support Israel for several reasons. But primarily because I believe they have a right to their peaceful coexistence and that they have a just right to the land in the cities they founded. I feel sympathy for plight of those who were forced to resettle there when they were expelled or forced to move there from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Germany, and the rest of Europe, and Russia and. of course, it is the unfashionable thing to do.

I like to bring up the opposing point of view whenever threads critical of Israel arise because the arguments in favor of Israel are so strong, well documented, and actually under-represented.

I find that very few people actually understand the situation there very well. It is not that I do not sympathize with the Palestinians.

There is a solution to the problem which many simply ignore.

Palestinians lay down their arms, accept Israel in her present borders and begin governing themselves in the remainder of Gaza and the West Bank in a demilitarized state of their own. This would produce a peaceful and prosperous state with the support of the rest of the world and Israel and produce a much better tangible life for the Palestinians immediately - and it could start tomorrow if the Palestinians decided to do it.

Rockets and bus/cafe bombings and other acts of obscene terror will only bring more tragedy and cannot advance the cause of peace.


markumX's photo
Thu 09/24/09 03:15 PM
why should we lay down our arms when our homes were stolen by force?
Are you suggesting if China invaded america you wouldn't fight and just hand over your house to them?
When america gives the land back to the natives then we'll talk.
Majority of Palestinians are ok with Israel existing, the point is...when the land was drawn up , it didn't include Jerusalem. This and Gaza was taken by Force illegally. The whole existence is based on a lie and a myth from a book.

cashu's photo
Thu 09/24/09 03:31 PM
Edited by cashu on Thu 09/24/09 03:34 PM

why should we lay down our arms when our homes were stolen by force?
Are you suggesting if China invaded america you wouldn't fight and just hand over your house to them?
When america gives the land back to the natives then we'll talk.
Majority of Palestinians are ok with Israel existing, the point is...when the land was drawn up , it didn't include Jerusalem. This and Gaza was taken by Force illegally. The whole existence is based on a lie and a myth from a book.

I'm surprised that you say this . the Jews did not build Jerusalem it was built by the canites now known as Arabs . They were there for about 150 years an were driven out by the Romans . there real name is HEBREWS .they migrated there from an area by the persian gulf an from babelon before that . they spoke Araby at that time . and i can tell you where they were before that to if you need to know . your right about laying down your weapons . they started this .they could of come in an made peace instead of war . they have NO real claim on that country . you guys have been there for thousands of years .. they have to settle it or they well be defeated because of the numbers . THE LAST BUT MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THEY ARE YOUR DISTANT RELATIVES .

willing2's photo
Thu 09/24/09 03:38 PM
I don't see much more than, every once in a while, one will just bltch-slap the other to call world attention.
If it was me and I was leader of the stonger side. I'd just go in and level the whole place. If some chose not to leave, oh well, bury'em in the rubble.
Argument over.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Thu 09/24/09 04:02 PM

Speaking totally neutrally but with an interest in the subject, should America think about cutting its ties with Israel, especially in light of the recent conflict with Palestine where several crimes against humanity were commited. I know each story has two sides and many say it is tit for tat with these two states but would Israel be as forceful if America withdrew its support ?


I agree. The US relationship with Israel causes too many conflicts over there.

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