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God is indeed in Hell if you believe the christian bible, because it says that God is omnipresent(everywhere at once) Food for thought anyway,meant to provoke thought. Here is another,how is it possible to be cast into utter darkness when hell is described as fire and brimstone. (fire produces light!) :)
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Yes, fire produces light here on Earth, but evidently not in Hell. You are making an assumtion that the spiritual world is identical to the physical Earthly world, which it is not. Anything is possible with God. Including fire that doesn't produce light in Hell.
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Yes, fire produces light here on Earth, but evidently not in Hell. You are making an assumtion that the spiritual world is identical to the physical Earthly world, which it is not. Anything is possible with God. Including fire that doesn't produce light in Hell. |
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I have one more...
... What came first, the chicken or the egg? It is an easy question to answer from the Bible. In the first chapter of Genesis, God creates the heavens and the Earth, and he creates all of the animals on the Earth. Then, after creating man (Adam) he has all of the animals pass by Adam and Adam gives the animals their names. Inevitably, one of those animals would have been a chicken, so... the chicken came first. not the egg. :-) |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Fri 09/25/09 12:12 AM
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God is indeed in Hell if you believe the christian bible, because it says that God is omnipresent(everywhere at once) Food for thought anyway,meant to provoke thought. Here is another,how is it possible to be cast into utter darkness when hell is described as fire and brimstone. (fire produces light!) :) You can lead a horse to water but u can not make him drink. Throw tradition out and then learn what hell is.. Then these questions would not be needed..Shalom..Miles |
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Edited by
TelephoneMan
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Fri 09/25/09 01:18 AM
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As far as the bit about God being in hell (more later)...
... folks might think Satan is in charge of Hell, but he isn't. Jesus has the keys to death and hell. (Revelation 1:18) Prior to the crucifixion and death on the cross I am thinking the scriptures do teach that Satan was in charge of the death and hell thing. But when Christ died, that was the point when he entered into that portion of the spiritual world, wrestled the keys of death and hell away from Satan, and was since ressurected to the right hand of the Father. In order to go get the keys, Jesus had to at least be in hell for a little bit... so he was there. As God and Jesus are one and the same... so through this I think I could say God has at least been to hell. |
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Now, as far as God being in hell 24/7 because he is omnipresent... what I might say about this would be to ask what does God save us FROM with all this "Jesus Saves" stuff? We are saved from the wrath of God.
If any part of God would be in hell, it would be the wrath portion. It would seem God has the ability to make adjustments to himself pertaining to what he needs to accomplish. And by hell consisting of only 100% of God's wrath, then it would indeed be a place of utter torment. Satan is not the dealer of death or the dude in charge of tormentation. He is a fallen angel who is likewise tormented in hell by God's wrath. Likewise the demons are of that number of 1/3 of the angels who once followed Lucifer on the day of his rebellion against God, and who were thrown into hell along with Satan/Lucifier/aka "the Devil." Lucifer was once the "anointed cherub that covereth" meaning he was this angel who God had put in charge of the Earth at one point in time. Theologically, prior to the creation of the Earth we live on/in today. He was like the "top dog" but got exiled by God to a place God created called hell. Being the top dog to get thrown down, he... well... he gets all the press. But we as believers, through Christ, have more power than Satan, we are stronger and have a link to Christ which makes us strong in all things. In this sense, we have "victory" over Satan. And if you read the back of the book, we win, Satan loses, so, in that sense, Satan is a defeated foe. It is wise to know who the enemy is... but wiser to know who the victorious are, and why through Christ we have this victory. As the scripture writer put it... "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" (1 Cor. 15:55) |
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Now, as far as God being in hell 24/7 because he is omnipresent... what I might say about this would be to ask what does God save us FROM with all this "Jesus Saves" stuff? We are saved from the wrath of God. If any part of God would be in hell, it would be the wrath portion. It would seem God has the ability to make adjustments to himself pertaining to what he needs to accomplish. And by hell consisting of only 100% of God's wrath, then it would indeed be a place of utter torment. Satan is not the dealer of death or the dude in charge of tormentation. He is a fallen angel who is likewise tormented in hell by God's wrath. Likewise the demons are of that number of 1/3 of the angels who once followed Lucifer on the day of his rebellion against God, and who were thrown into hell along with Satan/Lucifier/aka "the Devil." Lucifer was once the "anointed cherub that covereth" meaning he was this angel who God had put in charge of the Earth at one point in time. Theologically, prior to the creation of the Earth we live on/in today. He was like the "top dog" but got exiled by God to a place God created called hell. Being the top dog to get thrown down, he... well... he gets all the press. But we as believers, through Christ, have more power than Satan, we are stronger and have a link to Christ which makes us strong in all things. In this sense, we have "victory" over Satan. And if you read the back of the book, we win, Satan loses, so, in that sense, Satan is a defeated foe. It is wise to know who the enemy is... but wiser to know who the victorious are, and why through Christ we have this victory. As the scripture writer put it... "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" (1 Cor. 15:55) |
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Now, as far as God being in hell 24/7 because he is omnipresent... what I might say about this would be to ask what does God save us FROM with all this "Jesus Saves" stuff? We are saved from the wrath of God. If any part of God would be in hell, it would be the wrath portion. It would seem God has the ability to make adjustments to himself pertaining to what he needs to accomplish. And by hell consisting of only 100% of God's wrath, then it would indeed be a place of utter torment. Satan is not the dealer of death or the dude in charge of tormentation. He is a fallen angel who is likewise tormented in hell by God's wrath. Likewise the demons are of that number of 1/3 of the angels who once followed Lucifer on the day of his rebellion against God, and who were thrown into hell along with Satan/Lucifier/aka "the Devil." Lucifer was once the "anointed cherub that covereth" meaning he was this angel who God had put in charge of the Earth at one point in time. Theologically, prior to the creation of the Earth we live on/in today. He was like the "top dog" but got exiled by God to a place God created called hell. Being the top dog to get thrown down, he... well... he gets all the press. But we as believers, through Christ, have more power than Satan, we are stronger and have a link to Christ which makes us strong in all things. In this sense, we have "victory" over Satan. And if you read the back of the book, we win, Satan loses, so, in that sense, Satan is a defeated foe. It is wise to know who the enemy is... but wiser to know who the victorious are, and why through Christ we have this victory. As the scripture writer put it... "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" (1 Cor. 15:55) Where do you get all this? Did not Yahshua say that the only sign that he would give that he was the messiah is that it would be the sign of Jonah? Jewish leaders of the day said that to be prounced dead you must of been in the grave (Dead ) for 3 days. Yahshua was dead maybe JC may be as you say but not the son of all spoken creation through his son. Just as Salvation comes through his son not by him. Lazares was dead 4 days they said yet Yaashua said he sleeps. No where does the scriptures except through tradition does anyone live in a Hellish torment ever it has not been done to any extent as the Final Judgement in Rev 19 they are thrown into the lake of fire. Do you not believe when Yahshua said do not fear him who may or can kill you but fear him who can kill and destroy your soul. The 2nd Death which it speaks of the saints will never experience this. Satan is chained in the abyss for 1000 years then let loose then is never seen again. Satan is not in Hell nor has he ever been. He is on the earth as several dieties that he makes of his own. He is said to be a roaring lion seeking who he might destroy. The one above Yahshua speaks of can not kill your soul. He is said to be coming and has come as an Angel of light making his ministers who decieve the WHOLE WORLD out as ministers of light. The JC of this world is him. Believe it because it says that the WHOLE WORLD IS DECIEVED BY HIM. Who does all the world worship in one way or another whether as prophet or as messiah. Hell is a made up deception of the one you worship to deny you life ever after. Prove this is not true. If it were possible the whole world would be decieved. So why is it not possible? Because the saints can see who he is because he has done away with the LAW OF YAHWEH WHICH CONVERTS THE SOUL. No conversion no light world deception. You do not want to lok at the scriptures for what tyhey say about Hell for Hell is POWER OVER OTHERS. Thats what HELLS DOCTRINE is all about POWER. A catch 22.. You better do as I say says your ministers. The ministers of light who decieve the whole world that JC and His Father is who rules the Heavens and Earth... Prove this wrong..Shalom...Miles |
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Now, as far as God being in hell 24/7 because he is omnipresent... what I might say about this would be to ask what does God save us FROM with all this "Jesus Saves" stuff? We are saved from the wrath of God. If any part of God would be in hell, it would be the wrath portion. It would seem God has the ability to make adjustments to himself pertaining to what he needs to accomplish. And by hell consisting of only 100% of God's wrath, then it would indeed be a place of utter torment. Satan is not the dealer of death or the dude in charge of tormentation. He is a fallen angel who is likewise tormented in hell by God's wrath. Likewise the demons are of that number of 1/3 of the angels who once followed Lucifer on the day of his rebellion against God, and who were thrown into hell along with Satan/Lucifier/aka "the Devil." Lucifer was once the "anointed cherub that covereth" meaning he was this angel who God had put in charge of the Earth at one point in time. Theologically, prior to the creation of the Earth we live on/in today. He was like the "top dog" but got exiled by God to a place God created called hell. Being the top dog to get thrown down, he... well... he gets all the press. But we as believers, through Christ, have more power than Satan, we are stronger and have a link to Christ which makes us strong in all things. In this sense, we have "victory" over Satan. And if you read the back of the book, we win, Satan loses, so, in that sense, Satan is a defeated foe. It is wise to know who the enemy is... but wiser to know who the victorious are, and why through Christ we have this victory. As the scripture writer put it... "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" (1 Cor. 15:55) Where do you get all this? Did not Yahshua say that the only sign that he would give that he was the messiah is that it would be the sign of Jonah? Jewish leaders of the day said that to be prounced dead you must of been in the grave (Dead ) for 3 days. Yahshua was dead maybe JC may be as you say but not the son of all spoken creation through his son. Just as Salvation comes through his son not by him. Lazares was dead 4 days they said yet Yaashua said he sleeps. No where does the scriptures except through tradition does anyone live in a Hellish torment ever it has not been done to any extent as the Final Judgement in Rev 19 they are thrown into the lake of fire. Do you not believe when Yahshua said do not fear him who may or can kill you but fear him who can kill and destroy your soul. The 2nd Death which it speaks of the saints will never experience this. Satan is chained in the abyss for 1000 years then let loose then is never seen again. Satan is not in Hell nor has he ever been. He is on the earth as several dieties that he makes of his own. He is said to be a roaring lion seeking who he might destroy. The one above Yahshua speaks of can not kill your soul. He is said to be coming and has come as an Angel of light making his ministers who decieve the WHOLE WORLD out as ministers of light. The JC of this world is him. Believe it because it says that the WHOLE WORLD IS DECIEVED BY HIM. Who does all the world worship in one way or another whether as prophet or as messiah. Hell is a made up deception of the one you worship to deny you life ever after. Prove this is not true. If it were possible the whole world would be decieved. So why is it not possible? Because the saints can see who he is because he has done away with the LAW OF YAHWEH WHICH CONVERTS THE SOUL. No conversion no light world deception. You do not want to lok at the scriptures for what tyhey say about Hell for Hell is POWER OVER OTHERS. Thats what HELLS DOCTRINE is all about POWER. A catch 22.. You better do as I say says your ministers. The ministers of light who decieve the whole world that JC and His Father is who rules the Heavens and Earth... Prove this wrong..Shalom...Miles Wow This crap really got weird. Prove this, Prove that! you prove it!! |
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