Topic: China Sells Organs.
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Sat 09/12/09 12:41 PM
I know this is an older News item. Just found it interesting and an alternative to some who are waiting for donors.

Sick and tired of waiting in lines for a good organ? just place your order with, "Made in China", human organs.

Perhaps the US could learn a thing or two from the Chinese. Use their process for killing Death Row Inmates. Minimal damage to save as many parts as possible.

Pick up the pace of production and lower our taxes with the sale of those organs cultivated from dead prisoners.


Japan's rich buy organs from executed Chinese prisoners.

By Clifford Coonan in Beijing and David McNeill in Tokyo

Tuesday, 21 March 2006

Hundreds of well-off Japanese and other nationals are turning to China's burgeoning human organ transplant industry, paying tens of thousands of pounds for livers and kidneys, which in some cases have been harvested from executed prisoners and sold to hospitals.


When Kenichiro Hokamura's kidneys failed, he faced a choice: wait for a transplant or go online to check out rumours of organs for sale. As a native of Japan, where just 40 human organs for transplant have been donated since 1997, the businessman, 62, says it was no contest. "There are 100 people waiting in this prefecture alone. I would have died before getting a donor." Still, he was astonished by just how easy it was.

Ten days after contacting a Japanese broker in China two months ago, he was lying on an operating table in a Shanghai hospital receiving a new kidney. "It was so fast, I was scared," he says. The "e-donor" was an executed man; the price: 6.8m yen (about £33,000).

Beijing does not reveal how many people it executes, but analysts estimate as many as 8,000 people are killed each year. Reports of Chinese authorities removing organs from executed prisoners have been circulating since the mid-1980s, when the development of a drug called Cyclosoporine-A made transplants a newly viable option for patients.

Until now, most of the evidence linking executions to the organ trade has been anecdotal and has not been helped by a lack of transparency in the Chinese criminal justice system or the secrecy that surrounds prison executions.

A recovering Mr Hokamura claims he is concerned with where his new kidney came from. "My translator said my donor was a young executed prisoner," says the businessman. "The donor was able to provide a contribution to society so what's wrong with that?"

"It was cheap," adds Mr Hokamura, now back in Japan. "I can always earn more money."

Rumours of problems with follow-up care and patients dying within one to two years of returning from China have failed to stem the tide.

A single broker has helped more than a hundred Japanese people go to China for transplants since 2004 and the trade is growing. Official figures almost surely underestimate the numbers of people, many of whom fly without government knowledge. Mr Hokamura says his family is so pleased that his daughter has put his experience on the internet. In her blog she says she feels sorry for others to have to wait years for transplants and provides a link to a support centre in Shanghai. "Other people should know about this," she writes.

Sources say the cost of a kidney transplant runs to £37,000 and for a liver up to £88,000. Mr Hokamura paid another million yen for transport costs. There is little attempt to conceal the origins of the organs, the bulk of which are taken from executed prisoners.

Alarmed by the growing traffic, the Japanese health ministry has begun a joint research project with transport authorities in a bid to gain some control on the trade. But the government is likely to find it difficult to stop desperate people who have money from making the short plane hop to China. Says Mr Hokamura: "I was on dialysis for four years and four months. I was tired of waiting."

The Chinese government insists it is trying to crack down on the market in illegal organs. According to regulations, even in the case of a donation by a close living relative, both patients and donors must provide legal proof of the relationship by blood or marriage or submit to a DNA test.

But the signs spray-painted on the walls outside clinics and hospitals in many parts of China tell a different story. Simple and direct, these show a mobile phone number and the character for shen, which means "kidney", written alongside. Postings on numerous online bulletin boards and other internet sites also offer kidneys for sale.

The sale of organs for transplants is illegal in China, but the black market is flourishing. And it's not just the small private hospitals and clinics springing up all over the country - even bigger hospitals in the capital Beijing and the business hub of Shanghai have adverts in toilet cubicles and on the walls of wards.

"We have to wipe off the notices again and again. They even visit doctors, make numerous calls or write letters again and again," said Professor Ding Qiang, the head of Urology at Huashan hospital, part of Fudan university in Shanghai. "Donations that are subsequently made are surely organ trading, but 'organ donation' for money is strictly banned," said Professor Ding.

However, China is a huge country and, as the proverb goes: the mountains are high and the emperor is far away. The legal ban may have an impact on the illegal organ trade in major public hospitals but the private clinics and small hospitals, which are run for profit, are extremely difficult to regulate, leaving room for profitable, illegal organ trading.

Generally, there is a lack of awareness in China about transplants. As in Japan, a cultural taboo, strongly related to Buddhist beliefs, has traditionally been associated with donating organs. The procedure is seen to make the body imperfect and, in some ways, it means the donor is being unfilial, even if the donation is to a family member.

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Sat 09/12/09 01:04 PM


...for sale: one owner kidney...and a slightly lopsided testicle...:laughing: ..o.k it's not really lopsided i just threw that in for laughter effect...:laughing:

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Sat 09/12/09 01:54 PM
Edited by willing2 on Sat 09/12/09 01:54 PM
OOPS!

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Sat 09/12/09 01:56 PM



...for sale: one owner kidney...and a slightly lopsided testicle...:laughing: ..o.k it's not really lopsided i just threw that in for laughter effect...:laughing:

Guess, your Chinese name could be, Onehunglo.:wink:

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Sat 09/12/09 04:32 PM
I read somewhere that a lot of people in China are condemned to death and sent to death roll where they what till there is a buyer that they are a mach and they are dispatched and the buyer get what he/she cane pay for.

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Sat 09/12/09 04:32 PM
I read somewhere that a lot of people in China are condemned to death and sent to death roll where they what till there is a buyer that they are a mach and they are dispatched and the buyer get what he/she cane pay for.

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Sat 09/12/09 05:02 PM

I read somewhere that a lot of people in China are condemned to death and sent to death roll where they what till there is a buyer that they are a mach and they are dispatched and the buyer get what he/she cane pay for.


Over 60% of their organs come from inmates on death roll. Organizations are trying to get them to stop doing that.

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Sat 09/12/09 05:10 PM


I read somewhere that a lot of people in China are condemned to death and sent to death roll where they what till there is a buyer that they are a mach and they are dispatched and the buyer get what he/she cane pay for.


Over 60% of their organs come from inmates on death roll. Organizations are trying to get them to stop doing that.

That would be a waste of perfectly good organs.
If we adopt euthinasia, one would hope the organs would be salvageable and used again.

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Sat 09/12/09 05:22 PM
I see the topic "China sales organs" and the FIRST thing that comes to my mine is "Are they full of lead"?.

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Sat 09/12/09 05:32 PM
Edited by Quietman_2009 on Sat 09/12/09 05:32 PM
this organ is for sale



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Sat 09/12/09 05:35 PM
cool, im so over my left thumb.. i want one with a little more pizazz.

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Sat 09/12/09 05:37 PM
Edited by willing2 on Sat 09/12/09 05:39 PM

cool, im so over my left thumb.. i want one with a little more pizazz.

Maybe, if ypou called over there, they could take your order and you could pick it up at your local Kmart or Wal-Mart.laugh

OOOPs. Better be careful. If China suspects Americans are questioning their Human Rights abuses, they might close the wallet and call in the loans.

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Sat 09/12/09 05:44 PM
since an individual's organs belong to them, there is no moral/ethical problem with a person selling his own organs/tissue. JMO