But when the CIA prepared the first drafts of the NIE, Wolfowitz and
Feith, assisted by Scooter Libby in Vice President Cheney's office,
began to browbeat the CIA analysts into supporting the neocon
misinformation put out by Feith's office. To its shame, the CIA, charged
with building consensus, failed to fully back its own analysts, and the
neocon misinformation crept into the NIE.- oceans;

this is your conjecture and even though brought before a grand jury was
never proven. dont think it should be stated as fact when unproven.

here is a fact regarding bio and chem weapons;
Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq
since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report
meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center’s commander
said here today.

“These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons
Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,”
Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.

The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which
outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was
signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.

The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen.
Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said.
Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.

and some more (nuclear);
Following is the text of the DOE press statement:

WASHINGTON, DC -- Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham announced today that
the Department of Energy (DOE) and the Department of Defense (DOD) have
completed a joint operation to secure and remove from Iraq radiological
and nuclear materials that could potentially be used in a radiological
dispersal device or diverted to support a nuclear weapons program.

"This operation was a major achievement for the Bush Administration's
goal to keep potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of
terrorists," Secretary Abraham said. "It also puts this material out of
reach for countries that may seek to develop their own nuclear weapons."

Twenty experts from DOE's national laboratory complex packaged 1.77
metric tons of low-enriched uranium and roughly 1000 highly radioactive
sources from the former Iraq nuclear research facility. The DOD
airlifted the material to the United States on June 23 and provided
security, coordination, planning, ground transportation, and funding for
the mission.

Due to safety and security issues surrounding the removed materials, the
U.S., consistent with its authorities and relevant United Nations
Security Council Resolutions, took possession of, and removed the
materials to ensure the safety and security of the Iraqi people.

DOE also repackaged less sensitive materials that will remain in Iraq.
Radiological sources that continue to serve useful medical, agricultural
or industrial purposes were not removed from Iraq.

The low enriched uranium will be stored temporarily at a secure DOE
facility and the radiological sources will initially be brought to a DOE
laboratory for further characterization and disposition.

The International Atomic Energy Agency was advised in advance of the
U.S. intentions to remove the nuclear materials. Iraqi officials were
briefed about the removal of the materials and sources prior to
evacuation.

The nuclear research complex, now under the responsibility of the Iraq
Ministry of Science and Technology, was once a central institution for
Iraq's nuclear weapons program before being dismantled in the early
1990s, following the first Gulf War. The complex was also the
consolidation point for highly radioactive sources collected by the
Department of Defense with assistance by employees of the Ministry of
Science and Technology within Iraq over the last year.


and here's some more;
Chemical munitions found by Polish soldiers were being pursued by
terrorists
- MONIKA SCISLOWSKA, Associated Press Writer
Friday, July 2, 2004

(07-02) 07:18 PDT WARSAW, Poland (AP) --

Terrorists may have been close to obtaining munitions containing the
deadly nerve agent cyclosarin that Polish soldiers recovered last month
in Iraq, the head of Poland's military intelligence said Friday.

Polish troops had been searching for munitions as part of their regular
mission in south-central Iraq when they were told by an informant in May
that terrorists had made a bid to buy the chemical weapons, which date
back to Saddam Hussein's war with Iran in the 1980s, Gen. Marek
Dukaczewski told reporters in Warsaw.

"We were mortified by the information that terrorists were looking for
these warheads and offered $5,000 apiece," Dukaczewski said. "An attack
with such weapons would be hard to imagine. All of our activity was
accelerated at appropriating these warheads."

Dukaczewski refused to give any further details about the terrorists or
the sellers of the munitions, saying only that his troops thwarted
terrorists by purchasing the 17 rockets for a Soviet-era launcher and
two mortar rounds containing the nerve agent for an undisclosed sum June
23.

In May, a booby-trapped artillery shell apparently filled with the sarin
nerve agent exploded alongside a Baghdad road but caused no serious
injuries to the U.S. forces who discovered it. At the time, officials
stopped short of claiming the munition was definite evidence of a large
weapons stockpile in prewar Iraq or evidence of recent production by
Saddam's regime.

The warheads all contained cyclosarin, multinational force commander
Polish Gen. Mieczyslaw Bieniek said.

"Laboratory tests showed the presence in them of cyclosarin, a very
toxic gas, five times stronger than sarin and five times more durable,"
Bieniek told Poland's TVN24 at the force's Camp Babylon headquarters.

"If these warheads, which were still usable, were used on a military
base like Camp Babylon, they would have caused unforeseeable damage."

The tests were done by U.S. experts, who were conducting more.

The munitions were found in a bunker in the Polish sector, but Polish
officials refused to be more specific

whats this even more? bill clintons speach justifying air strikes on
iraq***** honorable mention as the primary reason for the strikes, uh
oh- bio/chem weapons.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/16/transcripts/clinton.html
Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike
CLINTON: Good evening.

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and
security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their
mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons
programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States,
and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around
the world.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the
world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

I want to explain why I have decided, with the unanimous recommendation
of my national security team, to use force in Iraq; why we have acted
now; and what we aim to accomplish.


well you know theres a lot more stories and reports out there just like
this.. just trying to spread the wealth, ha

doc

Army. Its a shame, but there is a mentality that will wear the rose
colored glasses no matter what.

To some people you could stand in the hole left over from an Iranian
bomb and they would tell you George Bush detonated it. People reading
this thread will take that position. Have no doubt.

How about this for supporting some American troops? Suppose every time
an American soldier was killed with an IED with Iranian marks on it
somebody plants a bomb on top of the nest of Mullahs in Iran. I think
that killing is a little like theft, you steal somebody's life. So here
is a little fundamentalism for you. Steal and you will have to pay back
many times what you stole. So with a hundred soldiers killed in Iraq
this month how about taking out 400 mullahs in Iran? The impunity they
feel in their action has to stop. There has to be some payback. If
there is no payback it will not stop. In the last year a thousand troops
lost and no payback? How about 4,000 Mullahs in Iran?

How far will you go to say its ok for Iran to interfere in Iraq and that
it is Bush's fault that soldiers are being killed. Bush is not over
there blowing up our soldiers.

People will insist that Iran is absolutely innocent. People reading this
thread will say so. They will say only negotiation will help and they
will negotiate till hell freezes over. I think if you take out half
their mullahs and most of their source of wealth they will negotiate
more sincerely and they will not have the funds to foster terrorism in
Iraq or other places.

So long as they have the funds to spread the despotic influence they
will do so. Better to crush Iran and then give it to China or Russia or
France or Germany than to leave it in the hands of the greedy fools that
have it now.

The United States is not big enough to police the world. Having the
military acting as a police force is in my opinion a mistake. You will
have to have cooperation of others. Where is all this international good
will that people think will prevail if there were no weapons? But the
military is big enough to strike the dangerous trouble makers and stop
them.

American soldiers would be better off out of the streets of Baghdad and
on the border of Iran leading the Iraqis across the border.

I guess I'm not exactly a peacenik am I? I want peace, but I want an end
to the insidious creeping forces funded by surreptitious governments to
harm the US, its soldiers and its interests.

I'm going to have a lot more respect for Bush if he gets some payback.
And I won't care one iota whether someone else dislikes it.

I tell ya they are calculating and dangerous.
Pure Evil!!!




Goodling: Gonzales Tried to Review Story
Published: 5/23/07, 11:05 PM EDT
By LAURIE KELLMAN
WASHINGTON (AP) - A former Justice Department official told House
investigators Wednesday that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales tried to
review his version of the prosecutor firings with her at a time when
lawmakers were homing in on conflicting accounts. Gonzales has testified
he hasn't spoken with witnesses.

"It made me a little uncomfortable," Monica Goodling, Gonzales' former
White House liaison, said of her conversation with the attorney general
just before she took a leave of absence in March. "I just did not know
if it was appropriate for us to both be discussing our recollections of
what had happened."

In a daylong appearance before the Democratic-led House Judiciary
Committee, Goodling, 33, also acknowledged crossing a legal line herself
by considering the party affiliations of candidates for career
prosecutor jobs - a violation of law.

Over and over these things pop up to many times to be coincidental, and
yet people (blind Sheep) continue to accept their lame ass excuses. If
you and I know there are people reading this right now, believe this
Administration is good for America or the World, then I feel there is no
hope you ever will see the Evil.

Fanta, That response had nothing to do with the topic as far as I can
tell. And by starting a new topic with a name that was almost the same
you effectively hijacked the topic. Incredible.

If you hate our government I expect you must have some reason, but I
have a higher opinion of our government than that. Personally I don't
want to hear it, but it is your right to speak.

Give me a grade F for "plays well with others" but I just don't like the
stack of people lining up to disrespect our country. I suggest the lot
of you try living in Iran or Syria or Russia or China for a while. Many
of you would like it quite a lot. Then you can complain about your
hatred of the United States to your heart's content. Eventually somebody
would throw you in jail for political dissension and nobody would have
to listen to you again. With privileges come responsibilities. Some of
you have no grasp of that notion and no appreciation for the good
efforts of your own ancestors. Gratitude.

I do not hate the United States.

I am concerned with where it is going.

In a few years you may find that having a 'disenting' opinion will land
you in jail here also.

When that happens you might look back on these threads and wonder why
you did not pay more attention to the 'disenters'.

My ancestors fought to make us free. Looks like we may have to do it
again to keep us free.

I too am concerned about the direction the United States is going I
don't agree with all that is being done in the name of international
security or the war on terror. I don't ordinarily mind people having
opposing views. I do dislike irrational hateful invective towards our
country and its leadership.

It is disingenuous altogether to say that every step the Bush
administration is doing or supporting is evil. Dissenters have their
place, but let them have some integrity in their reasoning. not just
reflexive hatred towards everything. Where did people learn such
intolerance?

Our country has some long term problems developing with the management
of the economy. This is happening largely because of neglect on the part
of legislators and the and clever manipulation of trade issues by
concerned parties. These issues are overlooked while high visibility
groups hound the administration with media overloading disinformation
and anti-American bias.

Too many things are not being considered at all, while lies, ignorance
and hatred rule the day and the media.

If you want ignorant to have the LOUDEST VOICE, that's ok, but I don't
like it.

You do try to have the loudest voice. I agree with that statement, for
sure. You just want someone who will agree with you, but unfortunately
they are hard to find since you are a minority. It must be hell on the
ego.

I served this country fool, and I have a right to complain all I want.
Did you serve, or do you just like to blow smoke.

I dont hate our government, actually the complete opposite. Yhats why I
dislike George Bush and his cronies. They give the whole country a bad
name. Unlike you, I expect better from our leaders and believe we can do
better than George Bush, and I am not satisfied.

Sorry to bust your bubble but the majority of Americans feel the same
way about the delusional fool. Maybe you should move to Russia or
China!! Aye, Ill donate the first $5 toward your moving
expenses!!

of course it is possible; I am staunchly anti-war but still send cookies
to the troops around christmas. You don't have to like the quarterback
to like the team...Remember that! :)

No I'm not looking to have the loudest voice. I stay fairly quiet most
of the time but then I see some of the most absurd things said and I
find it difficult to not respond.

I may in fact be a minority, but as I am a thinking man I am an
important minority. While the lemmings are a multitude, they are less
important, Fanta. So if you want to trade fool comments save them for
your own ilk or simply keep them to yourself. You happen to be in a
different minority. A minority with a few rich guy loud-mouth do-gooders
that want to level the playing field for the whole world by bringing
down our country and destroying the best chance at peace and prosperity
the world has to offer.

As for me moving, I've traveled quite a lot and I know my way around.
I'm comfy and snug here in the US. You are not a majority. You simply
have a loud voice. I did not intent that specifically for you, but since
the shoe fit I guess you just had to put it on. Oh well.

You'll probably need that 5 bucks. You better hang on to it.

Your comments are sometimes meaningful and I don't want to be in an
ongoing shouting match here so lets just leave it at the fact that we
disagree on patriotism and the best interests of our country.

GEEEEZZZZZUUUZZZZZZZZ!!! I leave for a couple days and come back to a
posted war zone!! F*CK!! All this thread was about was showing support
for our troops, past and present; a day of rememberance. I am just as
politically opinionated as anyone else here, and I post my sentiment in
like threads. Our govt. has definitely f*cked up in too many ways. We
are definitely losing what it once meant to be "American". We DO need to
fight to keep what our forefathers promised us in the constitution. Iraq
wouldn't have been my top goal, of course. I don't agree with the Bush
administration and their agendas. The politicians are creating long-term
and extensive damage to our beautiful America. They are behaving as
though they're on one really bad acid trip. They are displaying
arrogance and lack of forethought. They are reckless with regard to the
welfare of the American citizen. They are killing us softly, little by
little. I agree the govt. is a f*cking mess. Politicans are some of the
most unethical people you will ever meet. However, it is not they,
themselves, being dispersed overseas to fight a disparaging battle
"against terror"...(ahem).....
No the politicians sit safely at home in thier oversized homes, eating
over-priced food and driving over-priced cars and clothing themselves in
high- dollar fashion while they send our troops over to do their
"bidding". There is no more "middleman". There is the rich, then there
are the rest of us. We are in a sad state as Americans. We do need to
take our power back. We need to fight for what is right. WE, American
citizens, need to speak out against the injustices of our govt. We need
to hold them accountable........but the Troops? They are brave,
well-intentioned soldiers who deserve the support of the American
people, 'cause they sure as hell are not getting it from the govt. who
dictates there orders. We ordinary citizens must be there for them,
because if we don't who the hell will? Bush? Cheney? Wahington in
general? We owe it to our fellow citizens fighting on foreign soil. We
owe them our support, whether it is protesting to bring them home and/or
letting them know we acknowledge the sacrifices our govt. has imposed on
them. So,hey, just be thankful to know we have them and that they are in
a bad position, just like the rest of us....only we are not threatened
by roadside IED's and suicide bombers. God bless our troops! .....and
F*CK anyone who wants to argue my choice to support them.........

well if soldiers wont lay down their guns and mutiny then all the women
should lay in their path give em flowers hugg them and dont let them go.

Awwww....look! Someone left a numb-nutt on my front stoop......

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS! GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!

thats right lily let god do all the bloody work its a shame you couldent
wrap ya self around a shiitt load a soilders so they would forget about
fighten.i reckon with your looks you could keep ya whole fuken army
amused.

I've been catching up on the threads here and came across "Armydoc"'s
cut-and-paste regarding munitions found in Iraq.

Yes, everybody knows that Saddam Hussein used gas in the Iraq-Iran war
and on Halabja, etc., and everyone knows that Iraq had a nuclear
research program. This is old and well-known news.

The materials described in his pastes pertain to that period of time.

The Administration's deceits concerend the assertions that Iraq
possessed a CURRENT and on-going biochemicals and nuclear WMD program,
and this is what served as the main pretext for invading Iraq. (Legally,
it doesn't come close to providing sufficient reason to invade, but that
is a different discussion.)

The US army and CIA embarked on a massive search of Iraq once we
occupied it. And they concluded that Iraq had no such weapons. Even Bush
and Rumsfeld, Powell and Rice, Cheney and Wolfowitz, Tenet and Hadley,
have now all conceded that the assertions were flat-out wrong.

But not "Armydoc"!

I support the troops regardless of the gov't. But then I don't despise
the Bush and his tactics.


I think the troops are not getting enough support, in my opinion.

my g.f. is in the army and has been to the middle east and i am so proud
of her. our soldiers are willing to lay down their lives and fight and
do their duty because it IS their duty and are able to lay their
feelings aside for a time about how they personally feel about the war
because they are serving their country. our soldiers are wonderful and
they are not over there doing what they do because they are having a
fantastic time. lets give them the support they need and deserve
regardless of how we feel about this illegal war.

Amuse an Army with my looks....awwww, Karzi....such flattery. You are
quite the sweet talker. You have a mind like a steel trap,
darlin'.....think you had probably apply a little WD40.....