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Topic: ABC and NBC Refuse to Run Ad Critical of Obama Health Care
Winx's photo
Fri 08/28/09 11:49 AM
Here's something about single payer.

Q. Will the government take over health care so we end up with socialized medicine?

No. Neither the president nor the congressional committees have suggested anything remotely resembling a government takeover of health care.

Obama has specifically rejected the idea of a “single payer” system, like Canada’s, in which the government insures all citizens. None of the leading proposals in Congress even considers going down this road—a fact that has brought strong protests from some consumer and doctor groups that favor this approach. And although Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., has long called for a “Medicare for All” program, this is not included in proposals from the Senate health committee that he chairs.

Even further off the table is the concept of “socialized medicine”—in which the government not only runs health care but also owns hospitals and pays doctors’ salaries. Great Britain has this kind of setup, as do the Veterans Affairs and Department of Defense health programs in the United States.

Where did this myth come from? Opponents of reform constantly use the term “government-run health care” to disparage the reform proposals, despite the popularity and success of existing government-run programs like Medicare. The tactic often works. Even some Medicare beneficiaries say they’re worried about a “government takeover” of Medicare.

What do the proposals say? Obama has proposed setting up a single “public plan”—available only to those without employer insurance—to provide a voluntary alternative to the many private plans that offer individual health insurance. The House and Senate health committee bills propose a national public plan to compete with these plans and meet the same requirements. The Senate Finance Committee is expected to exclude a public plan. Lawmakers are also considering state-run community health co-ops as an option.


http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourhealth/policy/articles/health_care_reform2.1.html

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Fri 08/28/09 11:51 AM
An independent advisory board...........



they make the decisions......


That is the point, right there!!!!!!!!!

willing2's photo
Fri 08/28/09 11:58 AM
It will blow up in the faces of ABC and NBC when people realize they are not willing to present all the facts of Nobama Care.

no photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:00 PM

read the bill(1 of 5) anyway.......


Committees make the decisions....not you, not your Doctor...


A Committee will decide the plan design and coverage. All PRIVATE Health plans currently do this is some form.

As a matter of fact, I personally sit on a Health Care & Benefits Committee that does just that currently. I have been doing this for about 20 years and have a good understanding of how the industry works. We represent about 30,000 lives that are currently covered in our plan and we make the decisions for the group.

In every Group Health Plan, some procedures are covered and some are not. Most people don't know what goes on behind the scene...I do.

You always have the option to go out of network.

Don't buy into the SCARE TACTICS!

We need REFORM NOW!

Winx's photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:02 PM

An independent advisory board...........

they make the decisions......

That is the point, right there!!!!!!!!!


Don't insurance companies do that? Don't HMO's do that?

no photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:02 PM

It will blow up in the faces of ABC and NBC when people realize they are not willing to present all the facts of Nobama Care.


I would be curious to know what type of Health coverage you currently have? How much are your monthly premiums?

no photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:04 PM
Why?
reform now???

2012 is the start date for most of the proposals....if it is urgent why wait 2.5 years......



read the bill(1 of 5) anyway.......


Committees make the decisions....not you, not your Doctor...


A Committee will decide the plan design and coverage. All PRIVATE Health plans currently do this is some form.

As a matter of fact, I personally sit on a Health Care & Benefits Committee that does just that currently. I have been doing this for about 20 years and have a good understanding of how the industry works. We represent about 30,000 lives that are currently covered in our plan and we make the decisions for the group.

In every Group Health Plan, some procedures are covered and some are not. Most people don't know what goes on behind the scene...I do.

You always have the option to go out of network.

Don't buy into the SCARE TACTICS!

We need REFORM NOW!

no photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:05 PM
Winx, I think we may be facing a bad case of "KT syndrome" here. laugh

no photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:06 PM
Your point was that care would not be rationed...

my point is you can not know this...

because the decisions are made by unelected,unnamed official committees....




An independent advisory board...........

they make the decisions......

That is the point, right there!!!!!!!!!


Don't insurance companies do that? Don't HMO's do that?

Winx's photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:07 PM

Why?
reform now???

2012 is the start date for most of the proposals....if it is urgent why wait 2.5 years......



read the bill(1 of 5) anyway.......


Committees make the decisions....not you, not your Doctor...


A Committee will decide the plan design and coverage. All PRIVATE Health plans currently do this is some form.

As a matter of fact, I personally sit on a Health Care & Benefits Committee that does just that currently. I have been doing this for about 20 years and have a good understanding of how the industry works. We represent about 30,000 lives that are currently covered in our plan and we make the decisions for the group.

In every Group Health Plan, some procedures are covered and some are not. Most people don't know what goes on behind the scene...I do.

You always have the option to go out of network.

Don't buy into the SCARE TACTICS!

We need REFORM NOW!



It's long overdue!!

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Fri 08/28/09 12:10 PM
The system works for 85% of Americans.....they are Happy with the care provided.....

Winx's photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:12 PM
Edited by Winx on Fri 08/28/09 12:13 PM

The system works for 85% of Americans.....they are Happy with the care provided.....



I know plenty of people that are unhappy with their insurance companies and their HMO's.

I found out last night that my cousin and her family dropped their insurance because they were paying too much money for too little of coverage. I think she broke her foot but she doesn't have insurance now.






no photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:15 PM

The system works for 85% of Americans.....they are Happy with the care provided.....



Survey says that 98% of Medicare recipients Satisfied.
What does that tell you? Medicare for all maybe?

no photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:15 PM
ok...so it is about cost...not quality of care......

So,

The FTC needs to change the interstate commerce laws and allow Insurance Co.s to sell their product across State lines....

More Competition means lower costs....

Problems fixed!!!!


no photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:17 PM
at what cost?????

Lower my taxes And I can afford the coverage I need....do not increase my taxes to pay for a program that satisfies a problem for 15% of Americans....



The system works for 85% of Americans.....they are Happy with the care provided.....



Survey says that 98% of Medicare recipients Satisfied.
What does that tell you? Medicare for all maybe?

raiderfan_32's photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:28 PM

ok...so it is about cost...not quality of care......

So,

The FTC needs to change the interstate commerce laws and allow Insurance Co.s to sell their product across State lines....

More Competition means lower costs....

Problems fixed!!!!




furthermore, it needs to be that people aren't forced to pay for coverage they don't need. why do men in their 20's be paying for coverage that will back them in case they ger osteoporosis?

I read an article that called for people to be put in risk groups such as is done for auto insurance. Teen girls pay less for auto insurance than teen boys.

likewise, people with yugo's pay less than those that drive trans ams..

what's more, auto insurance doesn't cover the cost of oil changes and new tires.. if they did your car insurance would be sky high..

why should everyone be thrust into a "one-size fits all" plan? That's what .gov regulations have forced onto the market.. its gov regulation that forces the costs to be what they are.

people need to be more realistic about what the purpose of insurance is..


tohyup's photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:46 PM

Good for ABC and NBC! FOX runs nothing but propaganda and BS.flowerforyou

Who needs their crap ?.
drinker .

tohyup's photo
Fri 08/28/09 12:46 PM
Edited by tohyup on Fri 08/28/09 12:47 PM
Another double post.....mad mad

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