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Dying for Affordable Health Care - the Uninsured Speak Friday 21 August 2009 by: Ed Pilkington | Visit article original @ The Guardian UK At a forum in Delray Beach, Florida, 87-year-old Roberta Crawford stands up for a single-payer health care system. (Photo: Getty Images) In a week of claim and counter-claim about the merits of healthcare provision in the US and UK, Ed Pilkington travelled to Quindaro, Kansas, to see how the poorest survive. In the furious debate gripping America over the future of its health system, one voice has been lost amid the shouting. It is that of a distinguished gynaecologist, aged 67, called Dr Joseph Manley. For 35 years Manley had a thriving health clinic in Kansas. He lived in the most affluent neighbourhood of Kansas City and treated himself to a new Porsche every year. But this is not a story about doctors' remuneration and their lavish lifestyles. In the late 1980s he began to have trouble with his own health. He had involuntary muscle movements and difficulty swallowing. Fellow doctors failed to diagnose him, some guessing wrongly that he had post-traumatic stress from having served in the airforce in Vietnam. Eventually his lack of motor control interfered with his work to the degree that he was forced to give up his practice. He fell instantly into a catch 22 that he had earlier seen entrap many of his own patients: no work, no health insurance, no treatment. He remained uninsured and largely untreated for his progressively severe condition for the following 11 years. Blood tests that could have diagnosed him correctly were not done because he couldn't afford the $200. Having lost his practice, he lost his mansion on the hill and now lives in a one-bedroom apartment in the suburbs. His Porsches have made way for bangers. Many times this erstwhile pillar of the medical establishment had to go without food in order to pay for basic medicines. In 2000 Manley finally found the help he needed, at a clinic in Kansas City that acts as a rare safety net for uninsured people. He was swiftly diagnosed with Huntington's disease, a degenerative genetic illness, and now receives regular medical attention through the clinic. So how does he feel about the way the debate in the US has come to be dominated by Republican-inspired attacks on Britain's NHS and other "socialised" health services which give people the treatment they need even if they cannot afford to pay for it? "I find that repulsive and an absolutely bone-headed way to go," he says. "When I started out practising I certainly didn't expect this would happen. I thought the system would take care of everybody." For the rest of the article go to http://www.truthout.org/082309Z or http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/aug/21/healthcare-provision-us-uk What an excellent article. The forgotten folks with no voice. |
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Agreeing with ya here...there sure are ALOT of people who need some care.
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We in the UK I am pleased to say are in the care of people's health business and not the business people's health. There are many flaws in our system but I never paid for many services that I received and I might add what an excellent service it was. Queues are long waiting lists are long but you do get seen to and the level that you get is the same as the well off folks do. It was like that at least ten years ago. I know we always grumbled about it etc but may you never be in need of help in the USA without insurance . You are dead meat if you do
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We in the UK I am pleased to say are in the care of people's health business and not the business people's health. There are many flaws in our system but I never paid for many services that I received and I might add what an excellent service it was. Queues are long waiting lists are long but you do get seen to and the level that you get is the same as the well off folks do. It was like that at least ten years ago. I know we always grumbled about it etc but may you never be in need of help in the USA without insurance . You are dead meat if you do yep, true that |
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In the late 1980s he began to have trouble with his own health. He had involuntary muscle movements and difficulty swallowing. Fellow doctors failed to diagnose him, some guessing wrongly that he had post-traumatic stress from having served in the airforce in Vietnam.
Eventually his lack of motor control interfered with his work to the degree that he was forced to give up his practice. He fell instantly into a catch 22 that he had earlier seen entrap many of his own patients: no work, no health insurance, no treatment. Gotta' be a bogus story. He would have qualified for VA Medical. Viet Nam Vet is automatic qualification. So, your attempt is moot. |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6092658/Cruel-and-neglectful-care-of-one-million-NHS-patients-exposed.html 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed One million NHS patients have been the victims of appalling care in hospitals across Britain, according to a major report released today. By Rebecca Smith, Medical Editor Published: 12:01AM BST 27 Aug 2009 In the last six years, the Patients Association claims hundreds of thousands have suffered from poor standards of nursing, often with 'neglectful, demeaning, painful and sometimes downright cruel' treatment. The charity has disclosed a horrifying catalogue of elderly people left in pain, in soiled bed clothes, denied adequate food and drink, and suffering from repeatedly cancelled operations, missed diagnoses and dismissive staff. The Patients Association said the dossier proves that while the scale of the scandal at Mid-Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust - where up to 1,200 people died through failings in urgent care - was a one off, there are repeated examples they have uncovered of the same appalling standards throughout the NHS. While the criticisms cover all aspects of hospital care, the treatment and attitude of nurses stands out as a repeated theme across almost all of the cases. They have called on Government and the Care Quality Commission to conduct an urgent review of standards of basic hospital care and to enforce stricter supervision and regulation. Claire Rayner, President of the Patients Association and a former nurse, said:“For far too long now, the Patients Association has been receiving calls on our helpline from people wanting to talk about the dreadful, neglectful, demeaning, painful and sometimes downright cruel treatment their elderly relatives had experienced at the hands of NHS nurses. “I am sickened by what has happened to some part of my profession of which I was so proud. "These bad, cruel nurses may be - probably are - a tiny proportion of the nursing work force, but even if they are only one or two percent of the whole they should be identified and struck off the Register.” The charity has published a selection of personal accounts from hundreds of relatives of patients, most of whom died, following their care in NHS hospitals. They cite patient surveys which show the vast majority of patients highly rate their NHS care - but, with some ten million treated a year, even a small percentage means hundreds of thousands have suffered. Ms Rayner said it was by "sad coincidence" that she trained as a nurse with one of the patients who had "suffered so much". She went on: "I know that she, like me, was horrified by the appalling care she had before she died. "We both came from a generation of nurses who were trained at the bedside and in whom the core values of nursing were deeply inculcated." Katherine Murphy, Director of the Patients Association, said “Whilst Mid Staffordshire may have been an anomaly in terms of scale the PA knew the kinds of appalling treatment given there could be found across the NHS. This report removes any doubt and makes this clear to all. Two of the accounts come from Stafford, and they sadly fail to stand out from the others. “These accounts tell the story of the two percent of patients that consistently rate their care as poor (in NHS patient surveys). "If this was extrapolated to the whole of the NHS from 2002 to 2008 it would equate to over one million patients. Very often these are the most vulnerable elderly and terminally ill patients. It’s a sad indictment of the care they receive.” The Patients Association said one hospital had threatened it with legal action if it chose to publish the material. Pamela Goddard, a piano teacher from Bletchingley, in Surrey, was 82 and suffering with cancer but was left in her own excrement and her condition deteriorated due to her bed sores. Florence Weston, from Sedgley in the West Midlands, died aged 85 and had to remain without food or water for several days as her hip operation was repeated cancelled. The charity released the dossier to highlight the poor care which a minority of patients in the NHS are subjected to. Ms Murphy said the numbers rating care as poor came despite investment in the NHS doubling and the number of frontline nurses increasing by more than a quarter since 1996. The personal stories were revealed to prevent their cases being ignored as only representing a small portion of patients. The report said: "These are patients, not numbers. These are people, not statistics." Dr Peter Carter, Chief Executive of the Royal College of Nursing, said he was concerned that public confidence in the NHS could be undermined by the examples cited and it would affect morale in hardworking staff. He said: “The level of care described by these families is completely unacceptable, and we will not condone nurses who behave in ways that are contrary to the principles and ethics of the profession. "However we believe that the vast majority of nurses are decent, highly skilled individuals. “This report is based on the two per cent of patients who feel that their care was unacceptable. Two per cent is too many but we are concerned that this might undermine the public’s confidence in the world-class care they can expect to receive from the NHS." Barbara Young, Chairman of the Care Quality Commission, the super-regulator, said: “It is absolutely right to highlight that standards of hospital care can vary from very good to poor. “Many people are happy with the care they receive, but we also know that there are problems. “I am in no doubt that many hospitals need to raise their game in this area. “Where NHS trusts fail to meet the mark, we have tough new enforcement powers, ranging from warnings and fines to closure in extreme cases. We will not hesitate to use these powers when necessary to bring improvement. "We will be asking NHS trusts and primary care trusts how they are ensuring that the needs of patients and their safety and dignity are kept at the heart of care.” Chris Beasley, Chief Nursing Officer at the Department of Health said the care in the cases highlighted by the PA was “simply unacceptable”. She added: "It is important to note this is not representative of the picture across the NHS. "The NHS treats millions of people every day and the vast majority of patients experience good quality, safe and effective care - the Care Quality Commission's recent patient experience survey shows that 93 percent of patients rate their overall care as good or excellent. "We will shortly be publishing complaints data on the NHS Choices website and expect trusts to publish the number of complaints they receive, setting out how these are successfully resolved." Man collapses with ruptured appendix... three weeks after NHS doctors 'took it out' By Daniel Bates Last updated at 12:15 AM on 26th August 2009 After weeks of excruciating pain, Mark Wattson was understandably relieved to have his appendix taken out. Doctors told him the operation was a success and he was sent home. But only a month later the 35-year-old collapsed in agony and had to be taken back to Great Western Hospital in Swindon by ambulance. To his shock, surgeons from the same team told him that not only was his appendix still inside him, but it had ruptured - a potentially fatal complication. In a second operation it was finally removed, leaving Mr Wattson fearing another organ might have been taken out during the first procedure. The blunder has left Mr Wattson jobless, as bosses at the shop where he worked did not believe his story and sacked him. Mr Wattson told of the moment he realised there had been a serious mistake. 'I was lying on a stretcher in terrible pain and a doctor came up to me and said that my appendix had burst,' he said. 'I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I told these people I had my appendix out just four weeks earlier but there it was on the scanner screen for all to see. 'I thought, "What the hell did they slice me open for in the first place?" 'I feel that if the surgery had been done correctly in the first place I wouldn't be in the mess I am today. I'm disgusted by the whole experience.' Mr Wattson first went under the knife on July 7 after experiencing severe abdominal pain for several weeks. He was discharged but exactly a month later he had to dial 999 after collapsing in agony. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208970/Man-collapses-ruptured-appendix--weeks-NHS-doctors-took-out.html |
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In the late 1980s he began to have trouble with his own health. He had involuntary muscle movements and difficulty swallowing. Fellow doctors failed to diagnose him, some guessing wrongly that he had post-traumatic stress from having served in the airforce in Vietnam. Eventually his lack of motor control interfered with his work to the degree that he was forced to give up his practice. He fell instantly into a catch 22 that he had earlier seen entrap many of his own patients: no work, no health insurance, no treatment. Gotta' be a bogus story. He would have qualified for VA Medical. Viet Nam Vet is automatic qualification. So, your attempt is moot. oops. nice catch. |
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In the late 1980s he began to have trouble with his own health. He had involuntary muscle movements and difficulty swallowing. Fellow doctors failed to diagnose him, some guessing wrongly that he had post-traumatic stress from having served in the airforce in Vietnam. Eventually his lack of motor control interfered with his work to the degree that he was forced to give up his practice. He fell instantly into a catch 22 that he had earlier seen entrap many of his own patients: no work, no health insurance, no treatment. Gotta' be a bogus story. He would have qualified for VA Medical. Viet Nam Vet is automatic qualification. So, your attempt is moot. Actually, they said he was never diagnosed, only possible diagnoses were given. I am not sure, but isn't the VA only for service-related injuries/illnesses? Or can it be used for "regular" healthcare? |
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I've rarely had insurance. Wish I could get help when it's needed. I got lucky when I needed heart surgery that I'd had insurance at the time through the lumberyard. Course, if I hadn't ad insurance, I wouldn't have gone to the docs for the flu.
Everyone needs coverage. We're frigging paying for the illegals, anyways. You can't tell me a tylenol pill costs $20.00 at the hospital and that's not covering at least 10 others who won't be paying for it because they can't. |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6092658/Cruel-and-neglectful-care-of-one-million-NHS-patients-exposed.html 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed One million NHS patients have been the victims of appalling care in hospitals across Britain, according to a major report released today. By Rebecca Smith, Medical Editor Published: 12:01AM BST 27 Aug 2009 In the last six years, the Patients Association claims hundreds of thousands have suffered from poor standards of nursing, often with 'neglectful, demeaning, painful and sometimes downright cruel' treatment. The charity has disclosed a horrifying catalogue of elderly people left in pain, in soiled bed clothes, denied adequate food and drink, and suffering from repeatedly cancelled operations, missed diagnoses and dismissive staff. The Patients Association said the dossier proves that while the scale of the scandal at Mid-Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust - where up to 1,200 people died through failings in urgent care - was a one off, there are repeated examples they have uncovered of the same appalling standards throughout the NHS. While the criticisms cover all aspects of hospital care, the treatment and attitude of nurses stands out as a repeated theme across almost all of the cases. They have called on Government and the Care Quality Commission to conduct an urgent review of standards of basic hospital care and to enforce stricter supervision and regulation. Claire Rayner, President of the Patients Association and a former nurse, said:“For far too long now, the Patients Association has been receiving calls on our helpline from people wanting to talk about the dreadful, neglectful, demeaning, painful and sometimes downright cruel treatment their elderly relatives had experienced at the hands of NHS nurses. “I am sickened by what has happened to some part of my profession of which I was so proud. "These bad, cruel nurses may be - probably are - a tiny proportion of the nursing work force, but even if they are only one or two percent of the whole they should be identified and struck off the Register.” The charity has published a selection of personal accounts from hundreds of relatives of patients, most of whom died, following their care in NHS hospitals. They cite patient surveys which show the vast majority of patients highly rate their NHS care - but, with some ten million treated a year, even a small percentage means hundreds of thousands have suffered. Ms Rayner said it was by "sad coincidence" that she trained as a nurse with one of the patients who had "suffered so much". She went on: "I know that she, like me, was horrified by the appalling care she had before she died. "We both came from a generation of nurses who were trained at the bedside and in whom the core values of nursing were deeply inculcated." Katherine Murphy, Director of the Patients Association, said “Whilst Mid Staffordshire may have been an anomaly in terms of scale the PA knew the kinds of appalling treatment given there could be found across the NHS. This report removes any doubt and makes this clear to all. Two of the accounts come from Stafford, and they sadly fail to stand out from the others. “These accounts tell the story of the two percent of patients that consistently rate their care as poor (in NHS patient surveys). "If this was extrapolated to the whole of the NHS from 2002 to 2008 it would equate to over one million patients. Very often these are the most vulnerable elderly and terminally ill patients. It’s a sad indictment of the care they receive.” The Patients Association said one hospital had threatened it with legal action if it chose to publish the material. Pamela Goddard, a piano teacher from Bletchingley, in Surrey, was 82 and suffering with cancer but was left in her own excrement and her condition deteriorated due to her bed sores. Florence Weston, from Sedgley in the West Midlands, died aged 85 and had to remain without food or water for several days as her hip operation was repeated cancelled. The charity released the dossier to highlight the poor care which a minority of patients in the NHS are subjected to. Ms Murphy said the numbers rating care as poor came despite investment in the NHS doubling and the number of frontline nurses increasing by more than a quarter since 1996. The personal stories were revealed to prevent their cases being ignored as only representing a small portion of patients. The report said: "These are patients, not numbers. These are people, not statistics." Dr Peter Carter, Chief Executive of the Royal College of Nursing, said he was concerned that public confidence in the NHS could be undermined by the examples cited and it would affect morale in hardworking staff. He said: “The level of care described by these families is completely unacceptable, and we will not condone nurses who behave in ways that are contrary to the principles and ethics of the profession. "However we believe that the vast majority of nurses are decent, highly skilled individuals. “This report is based on the two per cent of patients who feel that their care was unacceptable. Two per cent is too many but we are concerned that this might undermine the public’s confidence in the world-class care they can expect to receive from the NHS." Barbara Young, Chairman of the Care Quality Commission, the super-regulator, said: “It is absolutely right to highlight that standards of hospital care can vary from very good to poor. “Many people are happy with the care they receive, but we also know that there are problems. “I am in no doubt that many hospitals need to raise their game in this area. “Where NHS trusts fail to meet the mark, we have tough new enforcement powers, ranging from warnings and fines to closure in extreme cases. We will not hesitate to use these powers when necessary to bring improvement. "We will be asking NHS trusts and primary care trusts how they are ensuring that the needs of patients and their safety and dignity are kept at the heart of care.” Chris Beasley, Chief Nursing Officer at the Department of Health said the care in the cases highlighted by the PA was “simply unacceptable”. She added: "It is important to note this is not representative of the picture across the NHS. "The NHS treats millions of people every day and the vast majority of patients experience good quality, safe and effective care - the Care Quality Commission's recent patient experience survey shows that 93 percent of patients rate their overall care as good or excellent. "We will shortly be publishing complaints data on the NHS Choices website and expect trusts to publish the number of complaints they receive, setting out how these are successfully resolved." Man collapses with ruptured appendix... three weeks after NHS doctors 'took it out' By Daniel Bates Last updated at 12:15 AM on 26th August 2009 After weeks of excruciating pain, Mark Wattson was understandably relieved to have his appendix taken out. Doctors told him the operation was a success and he was sent home. But only a month later the 35-year-old collapsed in agony and had to be taken back to Great Western Hospital in Swindon by ambulance. To his shock, surgeons from the same team told him that not only was his appendix still inside him, but it had ruptured - a potentially fatal complication. In a second operation it was finally removed, leaving Mr Wattson fearing another organ might have been taken out during the first procedure. The blunder has left Mr Wattson jobless, as bosses at the shop where he worked did not believe his story and sacked him. Mr Wattson told of the moment he realised there had been a serious mistake. 'I was lying on a stretcher in terrible pain and a doctor came up to me and said that my appendix had burst,' he said. 'I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I told these people I had my appendix out just four weeks earlier but there it was on the scanner screen for all to see. 'I thought, "What the hell did they slice me open for in the first place?" 'I feel that if the surgery had been done correctly in the first place I wouldn't be in the mess I am today. I'm disgusted by the whole experience.' Mr Wattson first went under the knife on July 7 after experiencing severe abdominal pain for several weeks. He was discharged but exactly a month later he had to dial 999 after collapsing in agony. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208970/Man-collapses-ruptured-appendix--weeks-NHS-doctors-took-out.html I'm not sure what the point of these articles are? The stories are horrific, surely, and they certainly do get attention. However, as is pointed out in the articles, these cases are a very small percentage of the overall system. While I don't know for sure, I'd hazard a guess that similar problems in our own health system are the same or higher. |
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In the late 1980s he began to have trouble with his own health. He had involuntary muscle movements and difficulty swallowing. Fellow doctors failed to diagnose him, some guessing wrongly that he had post-traumatic stress from having served in the airforce in Vietnam. Eventually his lack of motor control interfered with his work to the degree that he was forced to give up his practice. He fell instantly into a catch 22 that he had earlier seen entrap many of his own patients: no work, no health insurance, no treatment. Gotta' be a bogus story. He would have qualified for VA Medical. Viet Nam Vet is automatic qualification. So, your attempt is moot. Actually, they said he was never diagnosed, only possible diagnoses were given. I am not sure, but isn't the VA only for service-related injuries/illnesses? Or can it be used for "regular" healthcare? The VA is available to all Vets. Regardless of if the illness/injury is service related. Matter of fact, BHO once suggested, Vets should pay for their care, even war wounds. I think, the same day, he backed way off that and never got close to the Vet issue again. Don't mess with the folks who keep you safe and free. |
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We in the UK I am pleased to say are in the care of people's health business and not the business people's health. There are many flaws in our system but I never paid for many services that I received and I might add what an excellent service it was. Queues are long waiting lists are long but you do get seen to and the level that you get is the same as the well off folks do. It was like that at least ten years ago. I know we always grumbled about it etc but may you never be in need of help in the USA without insurance . You are dead meat if you do 
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We in the UK I am pleased to say are in the care of people's health business and not the business people's health. There are many flaws in our system but I never paid for many services that I received and I might add what an excellent service it was. Queues are long waiting lists are long but you do get seen to and the level that you get is the same as the well off folks do. It was like that at least ten years ago. I know we always grumbled about it etc but may you never be in need of help in the USA without insurance . You are dead meat if you do Private Drs have the option of accepting folks with no insurance but, Community Hospitals advertise;"Even if you have no insurance and/or lack the ability to pay, you will still get care." Close to that point is posted all over the ER. |
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In the late 1980s he began to have trouble with his own health. He had involuntary muscle movements and difficulty swallowing. Fellow doctors failed to diagnose him, some guessing wrongly that he had post-traumatic stress from having served in the airforce in Vietnam. Eventually his lack of motor control interfered with his work to the degree that he was forced to give up his practice. He fell instantly into a catch 22 that he had earlier seen entrap many of his own patients: no work, no health insurance, no treatment. Gotta' be a bogus story. He would have qualified for VA Medical. Viet Nam Vet is automatic qualification. So, your attempt is moot. Actually, they said he was never diagnosed, only possible diagnoses were given. I am not sure, but isn't the VA only for service-related injuries/illnesses? Or can it be used for "regular" healthcare? The VA is available to all Vets. Regardless of if the illness/injury is service related. Matter of fact, BHO once suggested, Vets should pay for their care, even war wounds. I think, the same day, he backed way off that and never got close to the Vet issue again. Don't mess with the folks who keep you safe and free. Funny, every single Vet I've talked with about medical care aren't very complimentary about the VA hospitals, doctors, medical staff, and treatment. Free service, in this case, leaves Vets very limited, and from the sounds of it, very screwed. I know two men who would have much prefered a regular hospital, couldn't get treated, and have basically been left crippled. And one of the guys is only in his 30's. |
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We in the UK I am pleased to say are in the care of people's health business and not the business people's health. There are many flaws in our system but I never paid for many services that I received and I might add what an excellent service it was. Queues are long waiting lists are long but you do get seen to and the level that you get is the same as the well off folks do. It was like that at least ten years ago. I know we always grumbled about it etc but may you never be in need of help in the USA without insurance . You are dead meat if you do Private Drs have the option of accepting folks with no insurance but, Community Hospitals advertise;"Even if you have no insurance and/or lack the ability to pay, you will still get care." Close to that point is posted all over the ER.
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In the late 1980s he began to have trouble with his own health. He had involuntary muscle movements and difficulty swallowing. Fellow doctors failed to diagnose him, some guessing wrongly that he had post-traumatic stress from having served in the airforce in Vietnam. Eventually his lack of motor control interfered with his work to the degree that he was forced to give up his practice. He fell instantly into a catch 22 that he had earlier seen entrap many of his own patients: no work, no health insurance, no treatment. Gotta' be a bogus story. He would have qualified for VA Medical. Viet Nam Vet is automatic qualification. So, your attempt is moot. Actually, they said he was never diagnosed, only possible diagnoses were given. I am not sure, but isn't the VA only for service-related injuries/illnesses? Or can it be used for "regular" healthcare? The VA is available to all Vets. Regardless of if the illness/injury is service related. Matter of fact, BHO once suggested, Vets should pay for their care, even war wounds. I think, the same day, he backed way off that and never got close to the Vet issue again. Don't mess with the folks who keep you safe and free. Funny, every single Vet I've talked with about medical care aren't very complimentary about the VA hospitals, doctors, medical staff, and treatment. Free service, in this case, leaves Vets very limited, and from the sounds of it, very screwed. I know two men who would have much prefered a regular hospital, couldn't get treated, and have basically been left crippled. And one of the guys is only in his 30's. Beats the heII out of no insurance. My meds, if I had to buy them, would cost me over $1,000.00 a month. With what I make and the VA, they are free. Had MRI, broken bones mended, my Athsma, chronic bronchitis and mental issues resolved through the VA. When I have to drive or stay overnight, I am compensated for a motel and mileage. It has it's setbacks but, in all, it serves many people well. When I go to the VA Hospital, I see more content folks there than dissatisfied ones. |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6092658/Cruel-and-neglectful-care-of-one-million-NHS-patients-exposed.html 'Cruel and neglectful' care of one million NHS patients exposed One million NHS patients have been the victims of appalling care in hospitals across Britain, according to a major report released today. By Rebecca Smith, Medical Editor Published: 12:01AM BST 27 Aug 2009 Man collapses with ruptured appendix... three weeks after NHS doctors 'took it out' By Daniel Bates Last updated at 12:15 AM on 26th August 2009 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208970/Man-collapses-ruptured-appendix--weeks-NHS-doctors-took-out.html I'm not sure what the point of these articles are? The stories are horrific, surely, and they certainly do get attention. However, as is pointed out in the articles, these cases are a very small percentage of the overall system. While I don't know for sure, I'd hazard a guess that similar problems in our own health system are the same or higher. simply put, they demonstrate the it's a system with flaws. There are people on here who think everything will be lollipops and rainbows once they get their way and the single payer system is installed here in the US. Well that's a bunch of horse dung. Why trade one system (that admittedly has flaws) for one that we know will have flaws rather than just fixing the issues with the one we have. The Dem/Lib agenda is clear and out there for all to see. They want a single payer system. They know they can't get it all at once. This HB 3200 is just a way for them to lay the ground work. Besides all that, the manner in which this thing is structured is too convenient for the Obama Administration vis-a-vis his run at re-election. The plan won't even take effect until when? 2013? Isn't that after the next presidential election? So what? he gets to have his Triumph and tout that he was able to get his precious health care reform but no one will see the impacts of it until after the election.. |
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We in the UK I am pleased to say are in the care of people's health business and not the business people's health. There are many flaws in our system but I never paid for many services that I received and I might add what an excellent service it was. Queues are long waiting lists are long but you do get seen to and the level that you get is the same as the well off folks do. It was like that at least ten years ago. I know we always grumbled about it etc but may you never be in need of help in the USA without insurance . You are dead meat if you do |
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We in the UK I am pleased to say are in the care of people's health business and not the business people's health. There are many flaws in our system but I never paid for many services that I received and I might add what an excellent service it was. Queues are long waiting lists are long but you do get seen to and the level that you get is the same as the well off folks do. It was like that at least ten years ago. I know we always grumbled about it etc but may you never be in need of help in the USA without insurance . You are dead meat if you do Private Drs have the option of accepting folks with no insurance but, Community Hospitals advertise;"Even if you have no insurance and/or lack the ability to pay, you will still get care." Close to that point is posted all over the ER. |
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