Topic: The Cloward-Piven Strategy
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Thu 08/20/09 09:55 AM
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Thu 08/20/09 09:56 AM
The proposed strategy of manufacturing crisis for the purpose of overloading the system with the intention of breaking it, the Cloward-Pivin Strategy borrows heavily from the strategies of Saul Alinsky, author of the book "Rules for Radicals", a major influence on Obama's political philosophy and someone plenty of people on this board have defended as a simple "community organizer".

Promise the moon and when the moon (predictibly) can't be delivered, the blame will be placed on capitalism itself, prompting a populist movement to nationalize and socialize all aspets of the American Economy and by extention, American Life..

First proposed in 1966 and named after Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, the "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

Inspired by the August 1965 riots in the black district of Watts in Los Angeles (which erupted after police had used batons to subdue a black man suspected of drunk driving), Cloward and Piven published an article titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty" in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation. Following its publication, The Nation sold an unprecedented 30,000 reprints. Activists were abuzz over the so-called "crisis strategy" or "Cloward-Piven Strategy," as it came to be called. Many were eager to put it into effect.

In their 1966 article, Cloward and Piven charged that the ruling classes used welfare to weaken the poor; that by providing a social safety net, the rich doused the fires of rebellion. Poor people can advance only when "the rest of society is afraid of them," Cloward told The New York Times on September 27, 1970. Rather than placating the poor with government hand-outs, wrote Cloward and Piven, activists should work to sabotage and destroy the welfare system; the collapse of the welfare state would ignite a political and financial crisis that would rock the nation; poor people would rise in revolt; only then would "the rest of society" accept their demands.

The key to sparking this rebellion would be to expose the inadequacy of the welfare state. Cloward-Piven's early promoters cited radical organizer Saul Alinsky as their inspiration. "Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules," Alinsky wrote in his 1972 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judaeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one.

The authors noted that the number of Americans subsisting on welfare -- about 8 million, at the time -- probably represented less than half the number who were technically eligible for full benefits. They proposed a "massive drive to recruit the poor onto the welfare rolls." Cloward and Piven calculated that persuading even a fraction of potential welfare recipients to demand their entitlements would bankrupt the system. The result, they predicted, would be "a profound financial and political crisis" that would unleash "powerful forces … for major economic reform at the national level."

Their article called for "cadres of aggressive organizers" to use "demonstrations to create a climate of militancy." Intimidated by threats of black violence, politicians would appeal to the federal government for help. Carefully orchestrated media campaigns, carried out by friendly, leftwing journalists, would float the idea of "a federal program of income redistribution," in the form of a guaranteed living income for all -- working and non-working people alike. Local officials would clutch at this idea like drowning men to a lifeline. They would apply pressure on Washington to implement it. With every major city erupting into chaos, Washington would have to act.

This was an example of what are commonly called Trojan Horse movements -- mass movements whose outward purpose seems to be providing material help to the downtrodden, but whose real objective is to draft poor people into service as revolutionary foot soldiers; to mobilize poor people en masse to overwhelm government agencies with a flood of demands beyond the capacity of those agencies to meet. The flood of demands was calculated to break the budget, jam the bureaucratic gears into gridlock, and bring the system crashing down. Fear, turmoil, violence and economic collapse would accompany such a breakdown -- providing perfect conditions for fostering radical change. That was the theory.

Cloward and Piven recruited a militant black organizer named George Wiley to lead their new movement. In the summer of 1967, Wiley founded the National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO). His tactics closely followed the recommendations set out in Cloward and Piven's article. His followers invaded welfare offices across the United States -- often violently -- bullying social workers and loudly demanding every penny to which the law "entitled" them. By 1969, NWRO claimed a dues-paying membership of 22,500 families, with 523 chapters across the nation.

Regarding Wiley's tactics, The New York Times commented on September 27, 1970, "There have been sit-ins in legislative chambers, including a United States Senate committee hearing, mass demonstrations of several thousand welfare recipients, school boycotts, picket lines, mounted police, tear gas, arrests - and, on occasion, rock-throwing, smashed glass doors, overturned desks, scattered papers and ripped-out phones."These methods proved effective. "The flooding succeeded beyond Wiley's wildest dreams," writes Sol Stern in the City Journal. "From 1965 to 1974, the number of single-parent households on welfare soared from 4.3 million to 10.8 million, despite mostly flush economic times. By the early 1970s, one person was on the welfare rolls in New York City for every two working in the city's private economy."As a direct result of its massive welfare spending, New York City was forced to declare bankruptcy in 1975. The entire state of New York nearly went down with it. The Cloward-Piven strategy had proved its effectiveness.

The Cloward-Piven strategy depended on surprise. Once society recovered from the initial shock, the backlash began. New York's welfare crisis horrified America, giving rise to a reform movement which culminated in "the end of welfare as we know it" -- the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, which imposed time limits on federal welfare, along with strict eligibility and work requirements. Both Cloward and Piven attended the White House signing of the bill as guests of President Clinton.

Most Americans to this day have never heard of Cloward and Piven. But New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani attempted to expose them in the late 1990s. As his drive for welfare reform gained momentum, Giuliani accused the militant scholars by name, citing their 1966 manifesto as evidence that they had engaged in deliberate economic sabotage. "This wasn't an accident," Giuliani charged in a 1997 speech. "It wasn't an atmospheric thing, it wasn't supernatural. This is the result of policies and programs designed to have the maximum number of people get on welfare."

Cloward and Piven never again revealed their intentions as candidly as they had in their 1966 article. Even so, their activism in subsequent years continued to rely on the tactic of overloading the system. When the public caught on to their welfare scheme, Cloward and Piven simply moved on, applying pressure to other sectors of the bureaucracy, wherever they detected weakness.

In 1982, partisans of the Cloward-Piven strategy founded a new "voting rights movement," which purported to take up the unfinished work of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Like ACORN, the organization that spear-headed this campaign, the new "voting rights" movement was led by veterans of George Wiley's welfare rights crusade. Its flagship organizations were Project Vote and Human SERVE, both founded in 1982. Project Vote is an ACORN front group, launched by former NWRO organizer and ACORN co-founder Zach Polett. Human SERVE was founded by Richard A. Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, along with a former NWRO organizer named Hulbert James.

All three of these organizations -- ACORN, Project Vote and Human SERVE -- set to work lobbying energetically for the so-called Motor-Voter law, which Bill Clinton ultimately signed in 1993. The Motor-Voter bill is largely responsible for swamping the voter rolls with "dead wood" -- invalid registrations signed in the name of deceased, ineligible or non-existent people -- thus opening the door to the unprecedented levels of voter fraud and "voter disenfranchisement" claims that followed in subsequent elections.

The new "voting rights" coalition combines mass voter registration drives -- typically featuring high levels of fraud -- with systematic intimidation of election officials in the form of frivolous lawsuits, unfounded charges of "racism" and "disenfranchisement," and "direct action" (street protests, violent or otherwise). Just as they swamped America's welfare offices in the 1960s, Cloward-Piven devotees now seek to overwhelm the nation's understaffed and poorly policed electoral system. Their tactics set the stage for the Florida recount crisis of 2000, and have introduced a level of fear, tension and foreboding to U.S. elections heretofore encountered mainly in Third World countries.

Both the Living Wage and Voting Rights movements depend heavily on financial support from George Soros's Open Society Institute and his "Shadow Party," through whose support the Cloward-Piven strategy continues to provide a blueprint for some of the Left's most ambitious campaigns.


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raiderfan_32's photo
Thu 08/20/09 10:31 AM
I guess all the usual suspects are running off to the dailykos, democratunderground and the huffington post to get the partyline talking points..

InvictusV's photo
Thu 08/20/09 12:25 PM

I guess all the usual suspects are running off to the dailykos, democratunderground and the huffington post to get the partyline talking points..



You know it...

raiderfan_32's photo
Thu 08/20/09 01:13 PM
So let's have someone refute that the Obama/Rahm Emmauel white house is not employing this strategy..

Is not Rahm Emmanuel on record as saying not to let a good crisis go to waste? Is that philosphy not straight out of the Saul Alinsky playbook? Is that not the driving idea behind this Cloward-Piven strategy??

Are not some black activists on record as saying they didn't want stimulus funds appropriated to constuction to go to "white construction workers"??

Please show me how the Obama/Emmanuel White House's strategy incongruent with this Cloward-Piven strategy...


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Fri 08/21/09 09:22 AM
/bump

I'm not letting this go.

I want to hear from the Obaaama-backers about this.

The stimulus, the omnibus, the healthcare bill. all in the first six months of a four year term..

He's a student of Saul Alinky. He's studied the principles of the Cloward-Piven Strategy and has been applying them all his "professional" life. He's been attempting to overload the system and his first major sucess came when he sued CitiBank in the 90's under the Community Reinvestment Act to force the banks to lend to unqualified "borrowers" and won. And we all saw how much of an economic success that was and the lot of you still blame captitalism for the housing bubble.. which brought down the economy (not Bush policy, no matter how much or how loud you scream it)

Tell me how the Obaaama strategem is incongruent with the Cloward-Piven approach?? Tell me.. I want to hear how extending unemployment benefits, putting the legions of the impoverished on a gov't healthcare system that's doomed to fail before it gets out of the blocks.. only then to come back and blame the failure on the capitalism and the rich (And you can;t tell me he/they won't. Capitalism and the Rich are his favorite target, see the $250K tax-cut promise, see the AIG ruckus over contractual payments, see Executive Compensation Czar)

I'm waiting.

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Fri 08/21/09 10:47 AM
Well if this is all true basically we're all screwed and no-one can put a stop to it.

raiderfan_32's photo
Fri 08/21/09 10:59 AM
yes, it's all true. But no, there is something we can do about it..

Those that prefer a functioning society will back politicians who walk the limited government walk, depose those the talk the big-government talk and continue to stash away supplies for when winter comes.

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Fri 08/21/09 12:57 PM

yes, it's all true. But no, there is something we can do about it..

Those that prefer a functioning society will back politicians who walk the limited government walk, depose those the talk the big-government talk and continue to stash away supplies for when winter comes.


well i don't vote, i don't much care for the government, the time may have come where we do everything for ourselves and our loved ones, screw everyone else.

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Mon 08/24/09 12:29 PM
what? you thought I was going to let this go?

I want to hear from the Obama advocates how what we've seen out of the Obama Admin is not exactly what is prescribed by these two, Cloward and Piven.

Come, tell me. Tell us all how Obama's strategy is not full in line with the Cloward Piven strategy

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Mon 08/24/09 01:25 PM
Okay

A: It is a right winger site

B: The analogies used in the article as if comparable are not even close to what has happened with Obama then or now.

C: The title of the article "Strategy for forcing political change through orchestrated crisis" fits Bush more than it fits Obama when it comes to shifting the political current.

D: The welfare system in this country has not now or will ever be destroyed enough to send the poor into revolt.

E: They cannot replace the capitalism book with one of socialism since we will never be a socialist country. We may utilize socialist programs but the government here will never be socialist.

So garbagola, is what it is.

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Mon 08/24/09 02:05 PM
A) right winger site.. whatever.. seems thenation.com has pulled that entry from it's archive so it's not available to read.

but whatever, I love how everything you don't agree with comes from a right wing fringe kook site. how convenient.

b) how is it not comparable? wanting to enroll millions of uninsured into a gov't insurance program funded by taxpayers is ideologiaclly congruent with the expansion of welfare rolls, medicaid/medicare for illegals, free lunch at public schools, schip. It's the same "social services" net that democrats keep hiding under in order to continue robbing the treasury for their own political gain. Do you really think the poor are helped by generational poverty?

c) Rahm Emmanuel, not Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld, is the one who espouses the political philosophy "never to let a good crisis go to waste". Billary thinks the same way, as does Obama, Barney Frank, Pelosi and the great majority of the Democrat party. Besides, we're not talking about Bush here. He's gone.

d) the wefare reforms keep it from being so, if it were up to Obama and the Liberal left, they'd have the entire innercity populations on welfare in perpetuum for the sake of the consolidation of their own politcal power.

E) May I refer you to Maxine Water (D-CA) who threatened the CEO of Shell Oil with nationalization of the petroleum business? Have we not taken the step of taking major stakes in the Auto Companies? Is a Single Payer healthcare not a move to nationalize the healthcare services industry?

You may bury your head in the sand all you like and say we'll never be a socialist country but the Harvard Law review upon which Mr Obama sat was the home of more self-described Communists than Libertarians and conservatives combined.

This man, Obama, comes from a background wherein he learned nothing but hate for his own country. He espouses these views when he goes to Egypt and other points abroad and says the US is an arrogant country. His contempt for our allies in the British was on full display when his wife laid her hands on the Queen and gave the visiting PM an iPod full of his speeches. He shows his alignment with anti-israeli factions abroad when he bows his head below the belt line of the Saudi King.

No. You may say this will never be a socialist country but we're headed down that road presently while the likes of you and your fellow DNC staffers lie through your teeth to the American people about what the President's Agenda means for us and our future.

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Mon 08/24/09 02:10 PM

A) right winger site.. whatever.. seems thenation.com has pulled that entry from it's archive so it's not available to read.

but whatever, I love how everything you don't agree with comes from a right wing fringe kook site. how convenient.

b) how is it not comparable? wanting to enroll millions of uninsured into a gov't insurance program funded by taxpayers is ideologiaclly congruent with the expansion of welfare rolls, medicaid/medicare for illegals, free lunch at public schools, schip. It's the same "social services" net that democrats keep hiding under in order to continue robbing the treasury for their own political gain. Do you really think the poor are helped by generational poverty?

c) Rahm Emmanuel, not Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld, is the one who espouses the political philosophy "never to let a good crisis go to waste". Billary thinks the same way, as does Obama, Barney Frank, Pelosi and the great majority of the Democrat party. Besides, we're not talking about Bush here. He's gone.

d) the wefare reforms keep it from being so, if it were up to Obama and the Liberal left, they'd have the entire innercity populations on welfare in perpetuum for the sake of the consolidation of their own politcal power.

E) May I refer you to Maxine Water (D-CA) who threatened the CEO of Shell Oil with nationalization of the petroleum business? Have we not taken the step of taking major stakes in the Auto Companies? Is a Single Payer healthcare not a move to nationalize the healthcare services industry?

You may bury your head in the sand all you like and say we'll never be a socialist country but the Harvard Law review upon which Mr Obama sat was the home of more self-described Communists than Libertarians and conservatives combined.

This man, Obama, comes from a background wherein he learned nothing but hate for his own country. He espouses these views when he goes to Egypt and other points abroad and says the US is an arrogant country. His contempt for our allies in the British was on full display when his wife laid her hands on the Queen and gave the visiting PM an iPod full of his speeches. He shows his alignment with anti-israeli factions abroad when he bows his head below the belt line of the Saudi King.

No. You may say this will never be a socialist country but we're headed down that road presently while the likes of you and your fellow DNC staffers lie through your teeth to the American people about what the President's Agenda means for us and our future.


Still not accurate. a-e Sorry.

The rest is personal agenda and is not relavant to the argument

I am not a democrat nor am I a liberal so you cannot shelve me with those labels.

Fearmongering at it's best is all this is.

We will not be socialist here in this country and healthcare is needed so it should be done.

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Mon 08/24/09 02:31 PM
Edited by raiderfan_32 on Mon 08/24/09 02:44 PM
not accurate? you're accusing me of lying? of telling falsehood? Please I beg you, tell me where I'm innaccurate..

Did rahm emanuel not say "we cannot let a crisis go to waste?" this is his primary driving strategy.

Maxine Waters DID sit in committee and threaten to Nationalize the Oil industry, she sure as hell did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXwnwEDfWZQ&feature=related

And in your own words and arguements you credit welfare reform from keeping people on welfare rolls generation-to-generation. So which side of this arguement do you want to be on? Did welfare reforms occur and did they not keep people from perpetually sucking government teet? or did they not happen and people just ween themselves off of welfare? Have the unemployment and welfare numbers not accelarated upwards under Obama? Did the stimulus not extend unemployment benefits? How is that supposed to get the economy back up and running, telling people that they have that much longer not to be employed while uncle sam takes care of them?

How is it not a massive expansion of entitlements to have a .gov run health insurance "option" under which nearly all the alleged 47MM uninsured will be forced onto gov healthcare rolls, under the individual mandate that is part and parcel to HB 3200?

It seems to me your entire strategy is clear. Deflect and evade any arguement you know you cannot win.