I don't buy into the "spreading fear" argument.

Unless, of course, you are talking about the stimulus package. Crisis.. crisis.. crisis..

Back to healthcare..

Anyone that can read and comprehend what they read, has the ability to make their own judgments. I seriously doubt that every single person that feels this is a bad bill, was swayed by fear mongering.

As was the case for the bailouts and stimulus.. Read above..

It seems people are catching on, that when the government spreads fear and wants something done quickly... IE.. Patriot Act,Iraq, bailouts, stimulus.. It tends not to workout so well in the end..

You say fear.. I say a well deserved skepticism.. Don't forget that Obama wanted this done in 3 weeks.. In an of itself, that deserves a little scrutiny.. I'd suggest..

This isn't a debate of substance anymore.

The public option would allow competition to still exist in the free market, and yet "IT'S SOCIALIZED!!!" so it's GOTTA be evil and we all MUST be heading toward becoming the next USSR.

Folks, it's just another scapegoat. It's all an excuse for those to make as they're being told what their little lobbyists are telling them to say. If they don't say what the little lobbyists tell them to do, they don't get to wear their fancy suit and go to Washington every day. It has nothing to do with any actual facts, it's all about whose hand is in whose pocket, why don't we realize that?

This is no longer a government for the people, by the people. This is a government for the guy with the most amount of money to throw at somebody so they can get reelected. Regardless of what kind of damage it does, economically, morally or otherwise, the politicians will continue to serve those who give them money, NOT the people.

THIS is the shame nobody is talking about. THIS is the complete systematic takeover of this nation, NOT "socialized health care." THIS is the policy that is being forced down all of our throats, and if health care doesn't mean anything to you, every other issue in Washington is controlled by the big money, and we're all too stupid to realize it.

Is this really the America we know and love?

It's not that they don't want things to get better, it's that they want them to get better for them, and don't much care about anyone else. Which I think that is true on both sides of the issue to some extent depending on what side you are on. Some have money and are associated with the rich who don't want to pay higher taxes. Some are middle class and think they will have to pay more taxes.

All kinds of individual interests out there worrying how it affects them personally. Some are out there just yelling about anything that makes them mad, having nothing to do with the health care. Some are there because they have no clue what is going on, but they can't get answers because of all the noise and because frankly it's not all said and done, and not I may be over no matter how the President explains it. You name it and it's out there.

I have the luxury of time to watch cspan and other related discussions on both sides, plus read online and in papers and books etc. Please don't try to tell me that fear is not being used with sucesss, because those using it are not hiding it. At least they aren't now because people dug up who they are associated with in the health industry etc.

Of 'course' not all on the other side are just wackos, but they aren't being covered and heard. No everyone has a problem with the bailouts or the stimulus, but I wish we would stay on one topic at a time.

At this point I am tired of the whole thing. I'm going to wait and see what they do when they get back from their vacation. Coming here all I get is one sided anger and repetition of the same old arguments.

what stopped the healthcare bill...was...the healthcare bill...if the State Run Media had been doing their job...then all the heavy lifting wouldn't have been left up to Fox News...Rush Limbaugh...Mark Levine...and Sean Hannity...to inform the American people...about whats exactly in this horrible piece of legislation...this bill was all about the government...absorbing more and more of the private sector...

Fear is being and has been used by boths sides.

they will kill grandma (on one side).

...but 47 million people (debunked) will die or live bad lives if we don't do this.

Works both ways...

and the debt grows while we jaw bout the rights and wrongs...

Well Boo.. I think that when the speaker of the house calls people nazis you could probably invoke the fear mongering clause. Let's ignore the arguments and call them Nazis.. Time tested fear tactic. Who wants to speak out, when you are going to be likened to mass murderers. Nice ploy.. But of course it's just the nutjobs on the right..

I believe I have already mentioned both sides use such tactics. I don't care what the number of people is, I care that people are suffering neededlessly while CEO's take home billions a year and have never lifted a finger to clean up their practices. But you know, you all should be happy the left has no balls. They caved to the bs on the right and it appears it's all off the table. Good work!

Good luck paying those premiums now that we are basically telling insurers and drug companies they can do what ever the hell hey like and we won't stop them. The insurance companies must be getting ready for an expensive celebration using your premiums. Frankly I am so disgusted with the selfishness of my fellow man, I'd much rather exit early than be kept alive in a world where people as so self centered and selfish.

Please find her actual words, not the twisted version.

I have my own eyes, I see the nazi signs people are holding and I can read. I don't like Pelosi much, but I don't care to twist her words either. Again there are nutjobs on both sides, but it's very obvious the opposition to 'this' is on the right mostly, you can pretend it's not but again the Right is no longer hiding it, they just know very few tune in to their conferences on cspan to hear them blatantly talk about it.