Pentecost is not far away . My question is how do you know when
pentecost is? Miles

how do you know its not far away ? lol

I show that it is next sunday the 27th. miles

will you video tape it for me?

miles what?

Are you being sarcastic or just plain rude?

I would like to know how christians figure out when to celebrate
Pentecost? or maybe you do not celebrate it I do not know. Miles

Pentecost is seven weeks after resurrection Sunday. So you are correct,
it is May 27th.

Pente means 50 so how does 7x7=50? Miles

I'm not Catholic, I was just telling you what they believe. I'm
guessing they said "Nobody will come to church on Monday, so let's
subtract a day." To me, every day is the Lords.

It is the Christian version of Shavuot for Judea (the comemoration of
the day the Torah was given to Moses on Mt. Sinai.)

For Christianity it comemorates the supposed fullfillment of a prophesy
of David. You can find out about that prophesy in the book of acts I am
not sure which chapter. As it is written by Peter so is it accepted by
the Catholic Church.
The actual day is supposed to happen 50 days after the passover however
each donimination of Christianity that practices it has its own way.

You can see then you follow old testament laws and do not realize it
or been taught it. Pentecost or the feast of weeks is figured from the
1st sabbath after the passover. At the end of this weekly sabbath a lamb
without blimish a 1st born lamb. this is signafied by Yahshua being a
lamb without blimish being offered before Yahweh after the passover.
mary when she saw Yahshua was told she could not touch him because he
had not yet accended yet to his father. He was the 1st born of the dead
and if mary were to touch him then he would be blimished by man. Then
after presenting himself to his father he waved the wave shief as high
priest before Yahweh. beginning the count to pentecost. You see in these
next verses if you study them well that the feasts of Yahweh had/have
great significance. The wieght and measures are prophetic to the return
of Yahshua but without knowing and keeping these feast then prophecy has
no meaning.. Miles

Lev 23:9-22

And Yahweh spoke to Moses, saying, 10 "Speak to the children of Israel,
and say to them:'When you come into the land which I give to you, and
reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of
your harvest to the priest. 11 He shall wave the sheaf before YHWH, to
be accepted on your behalf; on the day after the Sabbath the priest
shall wave it. 12 And you shall offer on that day, when you wave the
sheaf, a MALE LAMB of the first year, without blemish, as a burnt
offering to YHWH. 13 Its grain offering shall be two-tenths of an ephah
of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering made by fire to YHWH, for a
sweet aroma; and its drink offering shall be of wine, one-fourth of a
hin. 14 You shall eat neither bread nor parched grain nor fresh grain
until the same day that you have brought an offering to your Elohim; it
shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your
dwellings.

15 The Feast of Weeks

(Ex 34:22; Num 28:26-31; Deut 16:9,10)

'And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from
the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths
shall be completed. 16 Count fifty days to the day after the seventh
Sabbath; then you shall offer a NEW GRAIN offering to YHWH. 17 You shall
bring from your dwellings two wave loaves of two-tenths of an ephah.
They shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven. They are
the FIRSTFRUITS (his people) to YHWH. 18 And you shall offer with the
bread 7 lambs of the first year, without blemish, 1 young bull, and 2
rams. They shall be as a burnt offering to YHWH, with their grain
offering and their drink offerings, an offering made by fire for a sweet
aroma(prayers of the saints) to YHWH. 19 Then you shall sacrifice 1 kid
of the goats as a sin offering, and 2 male lambs of the first year as a
sacrifice of a peace offering. 20 The priest shall wave them with the
bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before YHWH, with the two
lambs. They shall be holy to YHWH for the priest. 21 And you shall
proclaim on the same day that it is a holy convocation to you. You shall
do no customary work on it. It shall be a statute forever in all your
dwellings throughout your generations. Notice the offerings 7 lambs--
1 young bull-- 2 rams-- 1 kid goat-- 2 male lambs.. So why is this
prophetic we have 7 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 = 13 . Now thier was 12 Apostles 1
betrayed Yahshua ( a kid goat judas ) Before Pentecost started Barnabas
was picked by lot to bring back 12 apostles and Yahshua pick Paul as a
chosen Vessel to make 13 Apostles Barnabas was Pauls companion the 2
male lambs to be a peace offering to the gentiles. This is why we must
learn the TORAH to understand the NEW TESTAMENT. Shalom Miles

NKJV

Nope I follow my faith.

Has nothing to do with old or new. Has a lot to do with God.

I agree but we have been taught that thier is a new and old testament
instead of thier being just the holy Scriptures. So defining between
them is just trying to show they are 1 and nothing has been done away.
We have been pardoned from are transgressions we have and do if we will
acknowledge them. with the death and ressurection of the messiah. This
does destroy the defining of sin in our lives. No it does the oppisite
it makes us even more accountable. Miles

I feel there is something deeper afoot going on here and more then one
story from one narrirator is being told.

What is to be made of it?

I would have put the whole chapter but I did not want to startle anyone.

Isaiah 1
11: To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith
the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed
beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of
he goats.
12: When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your
hand, to tread my courts?
13: Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the
new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with;
it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14: Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a
trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15: And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you:
yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of
blood.
16: Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from
before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17: Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the
fatherless, plead for the widow.
18: Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:

Ezek 20

39: As for you, O house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; Go ye, serve
ye every one his idols, and hereafter also, if ye will not hearken unto
me: but pollute ye my holy name no more with your gifts, and with your
idols.
40: For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel,
saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in
the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require
your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your
holy things.
41: I will accept you with your sweet savour, when I bring you out from
the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been
scattered; and I will be sanctified in you before the heathen.
42: And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall bring you into
the land of Israel, into the country for the which I lifted up mine hand
to give it to your fathers.
43: And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein
ye have been defiled; and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight
for all your evils that ye have committed.
44: And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have wrought with you
for my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to
your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.


According to the above statement, the symbols, idols, ceriomonies,
oblations, offerings, will not be accepted until delivery out of exile
comes, mean while the resent feast fest trends, it seems like a bunch of
smoke and mirrors and people who forgot the reason to study the
significance of the metaphore and lesson behind the
memory/rehersal/preperation/feast of the LORD that has not yet come, yet
may be upon us, and missed the whole point anyway. There are more widows
and orphans in world history and the past trends if continued will not
make us fair better tomarro, nor has men hashing over proper
translations and transliterations of scripture done anything to lesson
the madness, it has done the opposite.

Mean while we have people shunninig others for those who do not keep
feast like cerimonies, forsaking those who do go out of their way to
help others, yet of different faiths, in some cases acting as if they
are not of YHWHY/G-d/Yah, or do not know Yashua, or Jesus and are not
saved.

It is not woman who has made up the game plan and ruled the roost from
on high, nor can she cover herself if she is a widow, for if she was
covered--and that does not mean married, but if she was covered she
would not be a widow. Oh if they could understand the concept ov cover.

If as much preperation went into a man learning how to cover instead of
how to translate ancient text, to cover that which is here today ,so
there were no Widows, there would be a lot less orphans. If those men
who fall short could get their focus off things that do not benefit and
put it onto those things that do, it would be then that we would have an
epiphany, then maybe a group of people could interest the LORD enough to
come back and accept those offerings again. I miss them old time friend
and family Bar-B- Q's.

Note: These points are an observation, not a pointed finger at anyones
intellect. Nothing personal, just an observation and something my mind
chews on.

does not--- not does. sorry

I like your thinking and notice that the use of g-d is important to
you. james and jeremiah agree with you that the orphans and widows and
the downtrodden is what yahweh is all about. I am engaged to a widow
with an orphan. This is where Yahweh has led me without me even thinking
about it. I am truely blessed. I also believe to give to those who ask
without expecting a return. If i expect something back then what have i
really done. The passages you quote though are out of contect as Eliyah
is comming to restore all things as a for runner as did John the
baptists. What is the difference in them. John warn yahshua would come
with a willowing fan to burn the chaff. Yet this did not happen. in Isa
61 and luke 4:18 Is speaking aboout the deliverence of the people back
to thier rightful ownership as Yahweh gave them. The priest did not have
land but thiers was yahweh. When Yahshua Died for the sins of the people
and became our high Priest then the Religious Elite were overthrown to
those who believe because now they could go to Yahweh directly through
his spirit with Yahshua intercedding for us. In todays world we have
been told and believe a lie. You who I would and it is my opinion are a
Jew who I have great respect for. know that Yahweh must come 1st. He can
do anything. As Yahshua said they sit in Moses Seat do what they say not
as they do. Moses seat is the keeping of the law. Yahweh never wanted
the sacrafices of animals. he wants a broken and contrite heart in which
he will not despice. We are to do Yahweh's work and warn of the Wrath to
come that some may be saved. The feasts are a shadow of things to comeas
you said. Doing them and keeping them teaches you just as in your job
the more you do it the more you understand what you are doing. I
compliment you and is something seldom sen and relized that the man
covers the woman. He is the head of the house as yahshua is the head and
covers our earthly temples. But i hope you can see i am not nor do i
believe others are here debating/discussing the scriptures forgetting
the downtrodden. the more we learn about what Yahweh wants/expects of us
and we are willing and wanting to do it with a pure heart the more
people of his creation that will learn compassion. It is like the
saying.. give a man a fish and feed him for a day ..teach him to fish
and feed him for a lifetime. Shalom Sister your heart is in the right
place. May Yahweh's grace and Compassion be Upon your house. Miles

I am bad about typo's. I meant EliYah must come 1st. Not Yahweh must
come 1st. miles

quote: Yahweh must come 1st. He can
do anything. As Yahshua said they sit in Moses Seat do what they say not
as they do. Moses seat is the keeping of the law.<


The Commandments of the Father and the Law/Torah of thy Mother, for the
commandments are a lamp and the Law/Torah is Light. For it shall be an
ornimant of grace upon thy head and chains about thy neck.

Throne is a word that literaly means Lady of the Land, the seat of Moses
was the Throne, a crown of 12 tribes/stars. Solomon married her, David
married her. All who were ever bound on Pentecost at the great wedding
feast married her. The Crown/dowry that bound them all, heaven and
earth. The mascot is the lovig hind and pleasent roe and dove.

I do not know that YHWHY must come first. If what Yahshua had to say
holds any credibility then the following must happen first.

Matt 12
39: But he [Yahshua/Jesus] answered and said unto them, An evil and
adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be
given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of
the earth.
41: The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and
shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and,
behold, a greater than Jonas is here. [Interesting to note that Jonas
means Dove.]

42: The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this
generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts
of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than
Solomon is here.
KJV

No I am not of Judah, I am of Naphtali.

Yes part has happened the 3 days and 3 nights. he was impaled on a
weds. afternoon and rose at the end of the weekly sabbath. We are the
Evil and wicked generation he spoke of and yes EliYah ( meaning My
Elohim is Yahweh ) will be the cry from the wilderness along with Moshe.
Yahshua showed 2 Disciples his comming in the tranfigeration.
Matt 17:1-13

Now after six days Yahshua took Peter, James, and John his brother, led
them up on a high mountain by themselves; 2 and He was transfigured
before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as
white as the light. 3 And behold, Moses and Eliyah appeared to them,
talking with Him. 4 Then Peter answered and said to Yahshua, "Master, it
is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three
tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses , and one for Eliyah ."

5 While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them;
and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying,"This is My beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!" 6 And when the disciples
heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid. 7 But
Yahshua came and touched them and said, "Arise, and do not be afraid."
8 When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Yahshua only.

9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Yahshua commanded them,
saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from
the dead."

10 And His disciples asked Him, saying,"Why then do the scribes say that
Eliyah must come first?"

11 Yahshua answered and said to them, "Indeed, Eliyah is coming first
and will restore all things. 12 But I say to you that Eliyah has come
already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished.
Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands."
NKJV

Now what did they see?

Zech 14:12-15

12 And this shall be the plague with which YHWH will strike all the
people who fought against Jerusalem:

Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

13 It shall come to pass in that day
That a great panic from Yahweh will be among them.
Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor,
And raise his hand against his neighbor's hand;
14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem.
And the wealth of all the surrounding nations
Shall be gathered together:
Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance.

15 Such also shall be the plague
On the horse and the mule,
On the camel and the donkey,
And on all the cattle that will be in those camps.
So shall this plague be.
NKJV

Why do I say this? No one has seen Yahweh and lived. Only the pure in
heart can see Yahweh. Yahshua is not Yahweh but when he comes back he
will come in his athority , thus the brightness of his comming will
destroy the enemy as the whole world as far as the lightning flashes
from the east to the west will be his brightness.
EliYah must come 1st rev tells us thier will be 2 witnesses who have
power to stop the rain as EliYah did. Moshe seat with the law will be
thier message. The law is Holy and just and true and YHWH is Elohim. The
world will hate this message just as they hate it now. The witnesses of
Rev.
Rev 11:1-6

Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood,
saying,"Rise and measure the temple of YHWH, the altar, and those who
worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple,
and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they
will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will
give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two
hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."

4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before
the Elohim of the earth. 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire
proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants
to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. 6 These have power to
shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and
they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the
earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.
NKJV
and again...
Zech 4:6-5:1

6 So he answered and said to me:

"This is the word of YHWH to Zerubbabel:
'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,'
Says YHWH of hosts.
7'Who are you, O great mountain?
Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain!
And he shall bring forth the capstone
With shouts of "Grace, grace to it!"'"

8 Moreover the word of YHWH came to me, saying:

9 "The hands of Zerubbabel
Have laid the foundation of this temple;
His hands shall also finish it.
Then you will know
That YHWH of hosts has sent Me to you.
10 For who has despised the day of small things?
For these seven rejoice to see
The plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel.
They are the eyes of YHWH,
Which scan to and fro throughout the whole earth."

11 Then I answered and said to him, "What are these two olive trees — at
the right of the lampstand and at its left?" 12 And I further answered
and said to him, "What are these two olive branches that drip into the
receptacles of the two gold pipes from which the golden oil drains?"

13 Then he answered me and said, "Do you not know what these are?"

And I said, "No, my master."

14 So he said,"These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside YHWH of
the whole earth."
NKJV
And Malachi
Mal 4:4 -6

4 "Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Eliyah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of YHWH.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse."
NKJV

If he is not true who is this speaking of?

Isa 28:16-19

Therefore thus says YHWH Elohim:

"Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation,
A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
Whoever believes will not act hastily.
17 Also I will make justice the measuring line,
And righteousness the plummet;
The hail will sweep away the refuge of lies,
And the waters will overflow the hiding place.
18 Your covenant with death will be annulled,
And your agreement with Sheol will not stand;
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
Then you will be trampled down by it.
19 As often as it goes out it will take you;
For morning by morning it will pass over,
And by day and by night;
It will be a terror just to understand the report."
NKJV

17-19 are very interesting.. shalom.. Miles

well miles its like this you know you know god just had a long weekend
you know 7 multiplyed by7 = 49 so 50 = a long weekend
joy joy harleylouya praize the lord