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Topic: Iran Had a Democracy Before We Took It Away
Bestinshow's photo
Sat 07/18/09 08:43 PM

Iran has had many forms of government over 1000's of years.

Democracy has been there at times and at others kingdoms, empires and theocracy's...

The people there usually end up with the form of government THEY want... In spite of influence not because of it.


I dont realy buy into that at all I think people can b e driven into things by circumstances. Much like we became like the nazis after 911 you know with torture, secret wire taps, forced confessions etc etc. When the CIA and the brits took down Mossadegh and placed the brutal shaw in power we left the door wide open for the Mulahs and a theocracy. We proved to the people in Iran that you cannot trust America to look out for their interests. We have a short memory in this country but the people in Iran who lived through all this do not.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sat 07/18/09 09:15 PM


Iran has had many forms of government over 1000's of years.

Democracy has been there at times and at others kingdoms, empires and theocracy's...

The people there usually end up with the form of government THEY want... In spite of influence not because of it.


I dont realy buy into that at all I think people can b e driven into things by circumstances. Much like we became like the nazis after 911 you know with torture, secret wire taps, forced confessions etc etc. When the CIA and the brits took down Mossadegh and placed the brutal shaw in power we left the door wide open for the Mulahs and a theocracy. We proved to the people in Iran that you cannot trust America to look out for their interests. We have a short memory in this country but the people in Iran who lived through all this do not.

Like the nazis?

Dude if the NAZIS had been in power... by9/12 the Middle East would have a glazed over mass of smashed cities and burning corpses. By 9/13 every muslim in the us would have been rounded up and gassed, enslaved and experimented upon (of course israel would have allready been stomped)...

Lets get real here... The Nazis practiced evil actions... We did some stupid things... Big dif.

Bestinshow's photo
Sat 07/18/09 09:37 PM



Iran has had many forms of government over 1000's of years.

Democracy has been there at times and at others kingdoms, empires and theocracy's...

The people there usually end up with the form of government THEY want... In spite of influence not because of it.


I dont realy buy into that at all I think people can b e driven into things by circumstances. Much like we became like the nazis after 911 you know with torture, secret wire taps, forced confessions etc etc. When the CIA and the brits took down Mossadegh and placed the brutal shaw in power we left the door wide open for the Mulahs and a theocracy. We proved to the people in Iran that you cannot trust America to look out for their interests. We have a short memory in this country but the people in Iran who lived through all this do not.

Like the nazis?

Dude if the NAZIS had been in power... by9/12 the Middle East would have a glazed over mass of smashed cities and burning corpses. By 9/13 every muslim in the us would have been rounded up and gassed, enslaved and experimented upon (of course israel would have allready been stomped)...

Lets get real here... The Nazis practiced evil actions... We did some stupid things... Big dif.
I think your confuseing propaganda with history. If you actualy studied WW2 beyond the hollywood version you would at least have some facts. Its to late for me to give history lessons, heading out for camping tomorrow

AdventureBegins's photo
Sat 07/18/09 09:43 PM




Iran has had many forms of government over 1000's of years.

Democracy has been there at times and at others kingdoms, empires and theocracy's...

The people there usually end up with the form of government THEY want... In spite of influence not because of it.


I dont realy buy into that at all I think people can b e driven into things by circumstances. Much like we became like the nazis after 911 you know with torture, secret wire taps, forced confessions etc etc. When the CIA and the brits took down Mossadegh and placed the brutal shaw in power we left the door wide open for the Mulahs and a theocracy. We proved to the people in Iran that you cannot trust America to look out for their interests. We have a short memory in this country but the people in Iran who lived through all this do not.

Like the nazis?

Dude if the NAZIS had been in power... by9/12 the Middle East would have a glazed over mass of smashed cities and burning corpses. By 9/13 every muslim in the us would have been rounded up and gassed, enslaved and experimented upon (of course israel would have allready been stomped)...

Lets get real here... The Nazis practiced evil actions... We did some stupid things... Big dif.
I think your confuseing propaganda with history. If you actualy studied WW2 beyond the hollywood version you would at least have some facts. Its to late for me to give history lessons, heading out for camping tomorrow

Been to germany. Talked to my landords father (I rented a house off base). He WAS in a concentration camp. Got the number on his arm... and lots of stories to tell. He was freed by an American tank unit. The nazis tried to kill everyone in the camp to hide their crime from the american commanders but were over run before they could finish... but his wife was not so lucky.

Try to tell him its all propaganda!

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Sat 07/18/09 09:45 PM
i no before anyone says this, if you don't like America go home. but the us is my home now. has the USA every through of minding there own business. they got to stick there nose in everybody's business. USA has nukes. so its alright for Iran to have them. no one die and left USA the boss.

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Sat 07/18/09 09:54 PM

i no before anyone says this, if you don't like America go home. but the us is my home now. has the USA every through of minding there own business. they got to stick there nose in everybody's business. USA has nukes. so its alright for Iran to have them. no one die and left USA the boss.

The USA has never threatened to completely destroy another country... repeatedly.

I have no problem with a reasonable country having nuclear technology. I have a huge problem with a Government that has an unreasonable hatred as its guiding light.

America is a state of mind.

Free speach ain't just a bunch of words on paper.

You go right ahead and exercise it.

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Sat 07/18/09 09:58 PM
as much as i,m an American. i was not born in the USA. i will always be a Russian at heart. i no Iran has said they will wipe israel out. before i say this, no i don't hate Jews. i just have no use for israeli government.

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Sat 07/18/09 10:07 PM

as much as i,m an American. i was not born in the USA. i will always be a Russian at heart. i no Iran has said they will wipe israel out. before i say this, no i don't hate Jews. i just have no use for israeli government.

I'm not really a fan of that government either... However I am less of a fan of the consequences to the world if such a nasty thing were to happen.

It would more than likly net a huge and deadly response from other nations... and the resulting radioactive dust clouds would slowly wipe us all out.

NO thanks.


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Sat 07/18/09 10:10 PM
i,m not saying the president of Iran is not nuts because he is. in that part of the world. logic donut apply.no matter which way the USA turns its going to lose this fight. we got enough problems in Iraq and afghanistan.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sat 07/18/09 10:28 PM

i,m not saying the president of Iran is not nuts because he is. in that part of the world. logic donut apply.no matter which way the USA turns its going to lose this fight. we got enough problems in Iraq and afghanistan.

What fight?

We ain't fighting Iran.

There be political manuevering and the standard back and forth between nations.

That ain't fighting is governmental communication. B'nis as usual.

(beside which the Irani people might just make this a moot point - If I can see the stupidity of a nuclear action I am sure they can also... they are as smart as me I reckon)

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Sat 07/18/09 10:35 PM
we better hope we don't fight Iran. that only means Russia we get involved. we got enough on our hands in afghanistan. bush drop the ball on afghanistan buy invading Iraq. now we might be in bad trouble in afghanistan.

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