Topic: Racial Remark in the Declaration of Independence
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Tue 06/16/09 07:16 AM
Wouldn't it be shoking to find that one of the United States two most important founding documents contains racial slur? That it denigrates lazy "darkies"? Or coniviving "slant eyes"?
Or bloodthirsty "savages"?

Those first two examples aren't in the US Declaration of Independence, but the last one is. When airing their grievances against King Geroge III, the Founders wrote:

He has excited domestic insurrections, amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers,, and merciless ((Indian Savages)), whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

Of course, the truth of the matter is that some Native Americans did indeed massacre settlers in their defense. But many settlers, not to mention military troops, were also slaughtering Indians.

And just who exactly was enroaching on whom? Do you think the Indians where?

Now, I'm not saying we should change the Declaration (not that I can anyway as a foreigner); for I am personally opposed to revising the past, and that goes double for such a momentous document. But if I were a Native American, knowing that my country's first landmark document slurs my people then it wouldn't sit well at all for me.

On a related note, California's Constitution (the second version, from 1879, which is still in force) contained horrible slurs and measures against Chinese people. It is specified that no private or public employer may hire Chinese, that Chinese should be thrown out of cities and towns, and that the state should bar them from entering.

A particularly vicious clause called on the legislature to take action against the "burdens and evils arising from the presence of aliens who are or may become vagrants, paupers, mendicants, criminals, or invalids afflicted with contagious or infectious diseases, and from aliens otherwise dangerous or detrimental to the well being or peace of the State."

Those racist sections were soon declared unconstitutional by the court and were struck from the constitution, yet don't be surprised if in 50 years from today when many Chinese corporations move into this country that they won't hire you.

That is if they look into the past of what had happened. I hope they have the mentality that two wrongs doesn't make a right, but if not then good luck in getting a job even if you speak Mandarin fluently.

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Tue 06/16/09 07:42 AM
As anything else, perception is at play here. I'm sure if the "savages" had a DOI, it would say something about those fat, funny looking self-centered honky cats trying to steal their land and food.

But, I think history is just that, and it's for observation and learning.

There's a town in Texas here called White Settlement. Minorities wanted it changed because it was what it was... a white peoples' settlement eons ago. Thankfully it was shot down. It is part of history and is not a current intent to segregate, and is a good reminder of how far we have come more than a reminder of oppression.

Some of this stuff just gets silly. And that's what new laws and amendments are about. Gosh, if you ever looked at old property deeds, you'd be stunned at the prejudices detailed. Yet, we are not going to go back and CHANGE each deed. They are amended, and laws have been enacted to nullify those prior prejudices.

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Tue 06/16/09 08:01 AM
The compassion I feel for the Native people of this land is overwhelming. I'll bet many of you did not know that at the time they were building the Brooklyn Bridge, there were Natives of this land STILL fighting in the West...that is endurance with passion. As for amending laws to include and not segregate, the mere fact that so many prejudices still exist lets one know, we must first amend our minds.

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Tue 06/16/09 08:02 AM

As anything else, perception is at play here. I'm sure if the "savages" had a DOI, it would say something about those fat, funny looking self-centered honky cats trying to steal their land and food.

But, I think history is just that, and it's for observation and learning.

There's a town in Texas here called White Settlement. Minorities wanted it changed because it was what it was... a white peoples' settlement eons ago. Thankfully it was shot down. It is part of history and is not a current intent to segregate, and is a good reminder of how far we have come more than a reminder of oppression.

Some of this stuff just gets silly. And that's what new laws and amendments are about. Gosh, if you ever looked at old property deeds, you'd be stunned at the prejudices detailed. Yet, we are not going to go back and CHANGE each deed. They are amended, and laws have been enacted to nullify those prior prejudices.


WOW.. well put!

I agree, digging up old documents and looking for remarks that dont fit in todays world is a waste of time, money and energy. If a bill was passed today with this kind of verbiage, in it, that would be different. If you look hard enough, racism is everywhere. Try ignoring it, it will never go away if we all look for it and point it out at every turn.

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Thu 08/06/09 07:51 AM
as long as there are those that hunt down long ago injustices performed by those long dead and to those that are long dead

those injustices will live on to create new and worse injustice amoung those alive today and in the future

do not judge others for the acts performed that they had no control over

to do so is only to inflame the hated that bigotry has had you do not throw a bucket of hot ashes on a fire you are trying to put out why would you throw past bigotries on the fire of racism if you do not want the racism to grow and get hotter



but hey............

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Thu 08/06/09 08:12 AM
Edited by adj4u on Thu 08/06/09 08:18 AM
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

— John Hancock

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton


_____________________________________________________________________


whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

that is a savage way

it does not say all indians are savage but those that are the crown is provoking them to attack those settling in the frontier

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Thu 08/06/09 08:52 AM
If you met the Yaquis or Apaches back then you'd probably say the same thing.

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Thu 08/06/09 08:53 AM
The Yaquis were so damn bad Mexico ran them out. They were the only tribe out here who could handle the Apaches.

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Thu 08/06/09 11:00 PM


As anything else, perception is at play here. I'm sure if the "savages" had a DOI, it would say something about those fat, funny looking self-centered honky cats trying to steal their land and food.

But, I think history is just that, and it's for observation and learning.

There's a town in Texas here called White Settlement. Minorities wanted it changed because it was what it was... a white peoples' settlement eons ago. Thankfully it was shot down. It is part of history and is not a current intent to segregate, and is a good reminder of how far we have come more than a reminder of oppression.

Some of this stuff just gets silly. And that's what new laws and amendments are about. Gosh, if you ever looked at old property deeds, you'd be stunned at the prejudices detailed. Yet, we are not going to go back and CHANGE each deed. They are amended, and laws have been enacted to nullify those prior prejudices.


WOW.. well put!

I agree, digging up old documents and looking for remarks that dont fit in todays world is a waste of time, money and energy. If a bill was passed today with this kind of verbiage, in it, that would be different. If you look hard enough, racism is everywhere. Try ignoring it, it will never go away if we all look for it and point it out at every turn.



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Thu 08/06/09 11:21 PM
Native Americans do have a problem with some of it....