i was going to back off but i never once tried to force my oppion on her
what she is upset about because she made a statement about some
christian and i use the term loosely because she said that they use
violence the thing jesus talk about not using and as i told her please
read the bible before making such statements anymore because if she had
read the bible she would have know those people are not christian jesus
stated it many times many will come in my name and i know them not so
now you have both sides of the story

Abra~~~ awesome, thanx, one of my all time favorites as well.



Maybe someone will learn something from those words. I know them by
heart & truly wish it could be so.

I had typed a response to the post by wonder & decided not to play along
with this little "game". I am no longer upset by the unsolicited email
as I have considered the source & find it in my best interest to ignore
him in here as well as via email. I am thinking the only purpose to post
here was in an attempt to continue this as he has been blocked by me. I
did not say anything about any Christian. I do read the bible, many
versions of it in fact. It is filled with violence & bloodshed. I also
did not even hint at who sent me the email. Please go find someone else
to annoy.


Peace Out!


In conclusion, I find it highly offensive & forceful to send someone an
email typed in nothing but caps. That is considered yelling, in case you
are unawareof that, wonder. And I am sure I am not the only person who
feels that way.

she is good at being able to put down anyone she chooses then she say
look at the disclaimer and saying she did not put down the christian
faith saying oh it was just my oppion people see her for what she is
she manipulate everyone she finds not being like her see her for the
truth please jesus forgive her she knows not what she is doing.

Wonderman.

You have mailed me as well..

and I also blocked you.

Find another soapbox..

Alright, that did it!! I know exactly what I am doing & I also know how
to use punctuation marks when I type sentances. Look wonderdude, I have
the right to my opinion & I place it in the proper place, not in
everyone's email. I have never put anyone down for their beliefs or
opinions & never will. I respect anyone who deserves it. I also do not
go around insisting that everyone believe as I do. I hope people do see
me for what I am, an honest open person who truly cares about others &
their thoughts. I manipulate nobody. I would never even consider doing
so. Nobody here is like me, that fact has already been established. Yet
I do not discuss my philosophy & tell people they are wrong to believe
as they see fit for them. I have many, many friends in real life & they
are from many religious belief systems, including but not exclusive to,
Buddhists, Hindus, Christians of many denominations, Wiccans, Pagans &
people who are Jewish. We all accept each other for what we are & learn
from each other. What a concept!!!!
In conclusion, I do not require forgiveness from your god or your
saviour, nor do I need my soul saved. Now, I will ask you nicely, again,
please find someone else to annoy!!!!!!!





I apologize to everyone but wonder, but I have had all I can stand. I
was not going to feed into this but I can only take so much & then I
have to say something.

Abracadabra,

I'm glad you quoted "John". I did some studying on him as I was
re-mastering "Double". The song imagine really was about heaven. It's
such an interesting study, and I bet a lot of it is on the internet. He
was a highly spiritual guy, and believed that if we all laid down our
hate at the same time, that there would be heaven on Earth.

This was the meaning behind the song. I think that he was Love in the
flesh, and was cut down way before his time. John was a true gift to us.

I miss him so!!

michael

I don’t know mg,

He clearly states, “Imagine there’s no heaven, no hell below us, and no
religion too”.

Yes, I do believe he was totally about peace and love, which many may
think of as being ‘heaven’.

But I think he was also clearly advocated that we think of it as the
'here and now', and not as some place we go to after we die.

It’s that ‘forward-looking’ aspect of religion that causes us to take
our eyes off the 'hear and now'.

Religion tends to cause people to think of this life as merely a
temporary thing of lesser importance. The earth is just a ball of rock
that was put here for us to stand on. It’s of secondary importance with
respect to the ‘afterlife’.

This is what I don’t like about religions. It causes us to not
appreciate the significance of creation. Instead of viewing this life
as being important, we start thinking in terms of the next life and then
we let this place go to hell.

How much better care would people have taken of the earth if they
actually viewed the earth as being part of god, instead of seeing it as
just a big rock that we were put on.

We came out of the earth. The earth is our mother. The earth gave
birth to us. But Christians don’t think that way at all. They see the
earth as just being an inanimate rock that god placed us on as
completely separate beings.

I think the way that we have treated the earth says it all. We have
raped our very own mother and now we’re going to pay for it as she dies
beneath our feet.

All because we decided to idol worship a little black book instead of
revering the real living universe that gave us birth.

I believe, that the American Indians had a better religion than
Christianity. But we were too busy murdering them to pay any attention
to how they worshiped. We pushed our little black book on them too
calling them heathens all along.

Who are the real idol worshipers?

Who are the real heathens?

Who will care for our mother earth?

"But Christians don’t think that way at all. They see the
earth as just being an inanimate rock that god placed us on as
completely separate beings."

Sighhhhh...here you go AGAIN.

Who the H are you to presume to know what it is Christians think or
don't think?

For instance, I'm a Christian, and Idon't think that way at all. Also, I
have never been to any church or Sunday School that taught me to think
that way, either.

Give it up Sheila, I’m not talking about individual people, I’m talking
about a nation.

It’s historical water over the dam. There’s no denying it.

Hi Abracadabra,

I saw John in a completely different light after looking into his life
deeper. I was surprised.

Just food for thought. "No Biggie"


michael

youll get a wazzock or 2 in every crowd i can be a wazzock 2. gee it
would be a boring world if we didnt get fired up over the things we
beleive.no need to assassinate anyone because they dont see eye to eye
with ya.i love a good old **** stir,especially when people are convinced
by their faith in something they do not understand or is ineffable and
from watt i have read in these posts humanity hasent got a clue watt
gods will is .

Mg,

I believe that John believed in god if that's what you're saying. I'm
not an atheist either.

Mg,

Just to clarify,...

I came to the realization many years ago that religion and god are not
the same thing at all.

John said, “No religion too”

He never once said anything about there not being a god.

I don’t believe for a moment that John was an atheist. Not at all.

bull****, abra...I don't know of any Christian who thinks that way. If
you don't want to be a Christian, FINE. But I'm tired of you putting
down people (whether individual or as a group) who are.

John had a really cool world. I love reading about him now. He was so
deep that I didn't get him at first. I love the Beatles more than ever
now. WOW talk about soul searching!!!!

good stuff

Honey, I've been shunned from my dad's whole side of the family b/c of
the fact that I'm Wiccan. I've had dates back out because they had just
read my relious status on Myspace. I dont' care what others think, I got
tired of fighting it so I just don't answer when someone gets all
"Holyier than thou" on me

wow, my spelling sucked in that post...

I work p/t retail, I love it. It's a small thrift store and I often
have time to chat with poeple. One day a woman and her daughter were in
the store. They were both dressed in their Sunday best and the little
girl, about 7 or 8, soft voice, very well spoken, had a great light that
eminated from her smile and eyes. They had been to a Bible study. I
said, thinking I was giving a compliment, that the little girl was
special and would probably be a great scientist. Her eys twinkled, but
her mother rushed in, Oh no, she said. There is no need for that, for
the Bible teaches us that we are in the end times, and there will be no
more sickness, and no need of science.

I listened and even accepted graciously some Bible verses she handed to
me. I had noticed the light in the little girls eyes had diminished. I
smiled as I put the Bible verses in my pocket and I told, then maybe you
are destined to be a great writer of truth. The light returned, her
mother smiled and that little girl gave me, a stranger, a big hug.

This is how I view tolerance, if that little girl get sick, and that
mother refuses to have her treated, I can force the courts to step in
and take action.

This is how I view acceptance, if sick and the mother refused treatment
based on her faith, I can only say what I can say to bring the light
back into her eyes. It is not for me to judge, it is not for me to step
in, it is not for me to decide that their faith is not the best course
for them.

I do try, very hard, to acccept!

But I am human and subject to fatigue, to stress and to pressure, it is
then I seek the tolerance to get me back to acceptance.

Sheila, you totally misunderstand what I’m saying. You’re so bent on
trying to make it a personal thing that you can see the forest for the
trees.

I’m saying that ANY philosophy that focuses attention on an afterlife
and on the personal behavior of an individual to get into that afterlife
is detrimental to cultivating a loving and caring view of this world and
brotherly love.

It’s not a personal attack against anyone’s personal beliefs. It’s
simply my view of things.

I’m trying to speak in philosophical terms here in general. I’m stating
my feelings and beliefs about a philosophy.

Why you get personally riled up about that is totally beyond me. I’m
just stating my view. It’s what I believe to be true. It has nothing
to do with ‘putting anyone down’. That is not my intent at all. I’m
just sharing my philosophical views is all. If you disagree with my
views, fine. Why you feel a need to insult me by claiming that I’m
trying to ‘put people down’ is totally beyond me. That’s entirely in
your own head Sheila. I’m not putting anyone down. I’m just sharing my
views on a philosophy.

Can’t people discuss philosophies without taking other people’s views as
a personal insult?

How are we supposed to share our views if we can’t even speak them
without someone else being offended?

I’m not suggesting that anyone needs to agree with me! I’m just stating
what I feel.