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Topic: Real reason Obama didn't release torture pics?
adj4u's photo
Thu 05/28/09 03:04 PM










norslyman's photo
Thu 05/28/09 03:53 PM
Edited by norslyman on Thu 05/28/09 03:54 PM


I don't see how we as country can support any form of torture and still make a claim of moral superiority over those we fight against.


cause we don't chop their heads off after we torture em


Most of those beheading video's were frauds. I'm not disputing the fact that they do practice beheading though.

Notice how they made damn sure everybody saw those fake video's, and they don't want anybody to see these.

The big question here is will anybody ever be held accountable?
I think the big answer is NO.

I think the orders for all this is coming from above.
I think this is now standard operating procedure.
I think this is the new Amerika.......... For good.

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Fri 05/29/09 03:38 AM
By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writer – Thu May 28, 6:02 pm ET

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration asked a federal appeals court Thursday to halt the release of disturbing images of detainee abuse, saying the photos could incite violence in Pakistan as well as in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The court papers filed in New York cite two partially secret statements from two top U.S. generals, David Petraeus and Ray Odierno.

Such arguments failed to sway the court in the past. In the new filings, Petraeus, who oversees U.S. military operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, said the images could also lead to more violence in Pakistan because it deals with Taliban attacks.

The filings underscore just how worried U.S. officials are about the increasing violence in Pakistan. While past arguments about the photos referred generally to the Middle East, Petraeus' statement spends several pages discussing Pakistan's recent struggles against terrorism.

The administration had planned to release the photos until President Barack Obama reversed the decision this month, saying their release would endanger U.S. troops serving in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Disseminating the photos poses "a clear and grave risk of inciting violence and riots against American and coalition forces, as well as civilian personnel, serving in Iraq and Afghanistan," according to the motion filed with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court.

Meanwhile, the Defense Department on Thursday denied a British newspaper report that some of the images showed U.S. personnel sexually assaulting detainees. The Daily Telegraph had reported that a former U.S. general said graphic images of rape and torture are among the pictures.

The photos were ordered released as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union.

The Bush administration had also fought their release, and lost.

ACLU lawyer Amrit Singh said the new filing by the Obama administration "has no new arguments" and will be opposed. She also criticized the Obama administration for redacting parts of the generals' arguments about the safety threats posed by the photos.

"It's troubling to us that not only is the government withholding the photographs, but it's also withholding its arguments for withholding the photographs," said Singh.

The court ruled in September 2008 that general concerns about public safety were not specific enough to merit blocking the release of the photos.

The motion filed Thursday also notes that the government plans to appeal the ruling to the Supreme Court.

Congress is also considering stepping in to block the photos' release.

Odierno, who commands the troops in Iraq, said in his statement to the court that the 2004 release of photos of detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib prison "likely contributed to a spike in violence in Iraq" that year. He also said he has been told by senior political officials in Iraq that release of the photos would upset the democratic process in Iraq before national elections.

The pleas by Odierno and Petraeus echo those in 2005 by Gen. Richard Myers, then the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.


MahanMahan's photo
Fri 05/29/09 05:09 AM
Ya'll are just dying to see some torture pix, ain't you?


I wanna see Michelle Obama nekked...!

:banana:pitchfork:banana:

scttrbrain's photo
Fri 05/29/09 07:22 AM
I would say to ask those families of the beheaded if they were real.

Torture is unacceptable. If these things did happen and I am sure some did...I mean afterall...look at our society here at home. Thing is; they need to keep those pics out of the eyes of the public until the soldiers we have over there are home. Why put the nail in the coffen of the innocent over there doing a job? If those pics get to those in the countries we are now in...our soldiers might as well be thrown to the dogs...so to speak.

When we are home then bring out those pics and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

The military is sending soldiers back time and again...it is showing in their mind set and the suicidal rate is high. The soldiers coming home are having mental issues at an alarming rate. They in a sense have no family or home, no comfort. They have been plucked out of their respective lives and shipped off to a land where they don't want to be. With limited phone or net reality checks with their families. The divorce rate among these is very high. They come home to no wife, husband, their children don't even know them anymore. Some don't have their jobs anymore. And now we want tp put them in even more danger and worry??

Those that want those pics to be shown....sign up....join the military and go to the far east and see if you want it out there until you get home. If you don't have a mother, dad, sister, brother or son or daughter there, then let it go. You have no clue what kind of danger this will do. I have family there....DON'T PUT HIS LIFE IN ANY MORE DANGER THAN IT ALREADY IS!

Kat

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Fri 05/29/09 09:19 AM
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check it out

Kat

norslyman's photo
Sun 05/31/09 10:03 AM

I would say to ask those families of the beheaded if they were real.

Torture is unacceptable. If these things did happen and I am sure some did...I mean afterall...look at our society here at home. Thing is; they need to keep those pics out of the eyes of the public until the soldiers we have over there are home. Why put the nail in the coffen of the innocent over there doing a job? If those pics get to those in the countries we are now in...our soldiers might as well be thrown to the dogs...so to speak.

When we are home then bring out those pics and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

The military is sending soldiers back time and again...it is showing in their mind set and the suicidal rate is high. The soldiers coming home are having mental issues at an alarming rate. They in a sense have no family or home, no comfort. They have been plucked out of their respective lives and shipped off to a land where they don't want to be. With limited phone or net reality checks with their families. The divorce rate among these is very high. They come home to no wife, husband, their children don't even know them anymore. Some don't have their jobs anymore. And now we want tp put them in even more danger and worry??

Those that want those pics to be shown....sign up....join the military and go to the far east and see if you want it out there until you get home. If you don't have a mother, dad, sister, brother or son or daughter there, then let it go. You have no clue what kind of danger this will do. I have family there....DON'T PUT HIS LIFE IN ANY MORE DANGER THAN IT ALREADY IS!

Kat


I was speaking specifily of the Nick Berg obviously fake video which came out right as Abu Graib story broke coincidentally enough.

What you need to understand is that THEY couldn't care less about our troops. Original photos were probably intentionally leaked to stir up the resistance and keep the war going strong.

Then you look at how they are treating PTSD - with very dangerous mind altering drugs! That explains the suicide rate.

They are recieving dangerous experimental vaccines and having to breathe Depleted Uranium dust which the Pentagram insists is safe!

They hate them because they ARE patriotic to their country, which there will be no room for in the New Globalist Order. They are teaching all the kids to be good Global Citizens, not Americans.

Look what happened to Michael New when he refused to serve under the UN flag. www.mikenew.com

I would suggest you get the video www.beyondtreason.com Anyone you know in the military can get a free copy.

I am a Christian Patriot myself. I'm not against the troops. I feel the best thing for them to do is DESERT and walk away from this FUBAR situation. Which many are starting to do! We could use them here to fight the real Homegrown terrorists in our traitor Gov. - through the info-war, not guns.

Yahweh Bless,

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Sun 05/31/09 10:12 AM
IRAQI WOMAN RECALLS ABU GHRAIB RAPE ORDEAL


July 21, 2004 - (IslamOnline.net) The rape ordeal she suffered at the hands of US soldiers, both males and females, in the notorious Abu Gharib prison will continue to haunt Nadia for the rest of her life.


Though freed now, she is "imprisoned" in painful memories that left her psychologically and physically scarred, paying the price of the brutality and sadism of her American jailers.


Nadia, the name given by a freed Iraqi female prisoner to Al-Wasat, a weekly supplement of the respectable London-based Al-Hayat newspaper, felt it incumbent upon herself to speak out and expose the less-talked-about abuse of female prisoners in US-run detention camps across Iraq.


Her visit to a relative ended up in her detention by American troops, who stormed the home under the preferable excuse of "searching for weapons".


"I tried in vain to convince the impeded interpreter I was a guest, but I lost consciousness to find myself later in a dingy dark cell all by myself," Nadia recalled.


With tears rolling down her cheeks, she told the paper how she was stripped by her "liberators" of the most precious thing an Arab and Muslim women can have: Her virginity.


"A thrill of fear ran through me when I saw US soldiers laughing hysterically with a female solider telling me mockingly in an Arabic accent ‘I never heard about female arms dealer in Iraq’," Nadia said.


"As I tried hard to explain to her that I was wrongly rounded up, the female soldier started accosting and kicking me with my cries and pleas falling on dead ears."


She went on: "She gave me a cup of water and no sooner had I started sipping it than I went into a deep trance to find myself later naked and raped."


‘Like Animals’


Only then Nadia realized that hard times and an uncertain fate were lying ahead.


And days proved her right. The other day, five soldiers fondled and raped her one after another in a distasteful sex orgy on the tunes of culturally offensive heavy metal music.


"One month later, a soldier showed up and told me in broken Arabic to take a shower. And before finishing my bath, he kicked the door open. I slapped him but he raped me like animals and called two of his colleagues, who forced me to have sex with them," added Nadia.


"Four months later, the female soldier came along with four male soldiers with a digital camera. She stripped me naked and started fondling me as if she was a man while her male colleagues broke into laughter and started taking photos.


"Reluctant as I was, she fired four shots close to my head and threatened to kill me if I resist. Then, four soldiers raped me sadistically and I lost conscience. Later, she forced me to watch a clip of my raping, saying bluntly: ‘Your were born to give us pleasure’."


Naida was set free from the US hell in Abu Gharib after spending up to six months there.


The American soldiers dumped her along the highway of Abu Gharib and gave her a meager of 10,000 dinars to "start a new life".


Too ashamed to return home, she now works as a housemaid for an Iraqi family.


Britain’s mass-circulation

The Guardian revealed on May 12 that US soldiers in Iraq have sexually humiliated and abused several Iraqi female detainees in Abu Gharib.


In its May 10-17 issue, the Newsweek said that yet-unreleased Abu Gharib abuse photos "include an American soldier having sex with a female Iraqi detainee and American soldiers watching Iraqis have sex with juveniles."


The Iraqi abuse scandal exploded onto the world stage on April 29 after the CBS news network published several shocking photos of Iraqi detainees tortured and sexually abused by US soldiers.


In a damning report presented to the administration in February, before the outbreak of the scandal, US Major General Antonio Taguba found numerous "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" at the prison complex.

From: http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=6003







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