Last Night we were talking about recent developments in China.
Ironically, this morning I woke up and found this news.
What do you think, Should we be worried?
Should we continue to stretch our military thin with our aggressive
actions around the world?
Should we begin to change our policies and work towards helping people
to solve their own problems while strengthening our defenses?




U.S. Commander Meets China's Top General
Published: 5/12/07, 5:45 AM EDT
By AUDRA ANG
BEIJING (AP) - The new commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific said he
aims to build friendships in China, but added Saturday that the
Communist power's recent anti-satellite missile test appears to
contradict its claim of a peaceful military rise.

Keating said he and Guo exchanged views on Beijing's anti-satellite test
in January, when a missile was used to destroy one of its own old
weather satellites in low-Earth polar orbit. It was the first time China
had successfully tested an anti-satellite system.

"An anti-satellite test is not necessarily a clear indication of a
desire for peaceful utilization of space," Keating told reporters at a
briefing. "It is a confusing signal shall we say for a country who
desires, in China's words, a peaceful rise."

China's People's Liberation Army, the world's largest, has been spending
heavily on adding submarines, jet fighters and other high-tech weapons
to its arsenal, causing unease among its neighbors.

Its reported 2006 budget is $35.3 billion, but analysts believe the true
figure is several times higher.

OMG! i heard about that. i think we should watch our ass. i mean WW2 we
screwed them and then they began to understanable hate us. chinease dont
forgive that easily (the country as a whole).
and we need to get out of Korea. we wont win as long as china is
supplying n. korea with equipment, food, etc. yeah it would suck when
they blew each other up but we got our own problems

yes belushi, I think they will, they have already got the US scrambleing
to find defensive measures for our satellites, smart bombs are now
ineffective against them. They also had a new nuke sub surfaced in the
middle of a US battle fleet, and we didnt even know it was there untill
the sailors came on deck and started waving!

Hi, Fanta,
Do you have a reference to the Chinese sub surfacing in the middle of a
US fleet? If the implication is that the fleeet did not know it was
there, that sounds pretty unlikely. And if true, pretty alarming.

Thanks.

Oceans

Ill find it, its been awhile!

By now, everyone and their mother knows that last month, in the Pacific,
a Chinese submarine stalked a U.S. aircraft carrier battle group and
surfaced within torpedo and missile firing range before being detected.
DefenseReview can’t really say we’re surprised by this, especially since
U.S. aircraft carrier battle groups are no longer utilizing the Lockheed
Martin S-3B Viking Aircraft in the ASW/ASuW (Anti-Submarine
Warfare/Anti-Surface Warfare) role. Frankly, it makes one wonder how the
U.S. Navy plans to protect our carrier battle groups against modern
quiet attack submarines armed with standard torpedoes, anti-ship
missiles, and the new breed of supercavitating torpedoes like the
Russian Shkval-2 (“Shkval” translates to “Squall”).

http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=953

scary aye?

Yikes!

I'll make some inquiries. Doesn't seem possible, given the megabucks
we've shelled out for fleet defense. I wonder if it is possible that
like so many other programs we stripped out the fleet to throw more
resources into the mess in Iraq.

Oceans

thats a defense site/military, and thats just a drop in the bucket to
what is on there.

ok, not offical, but the first time I heard it was in a speech by a
politician

I'm surprised that you never heard about the Chinese missle tests
earlier. It's old news. I remember when it happened. It's also assumed
that the capability to reach higher orbit sattelites is also there, just
unproven as of yet.
A bit scary to think that almost all communications and guidance
sattelites could knocked out rather quickly.

It was reported to be a diesel sub???

I heard of it earlier, the date on this thread is a little old, but
shadoweagle was on the other one.

heres a Wash post article on the sub, ocean
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20061113-121539-3317r.htm

The real scary part about the sattellies was another report that they
have been firing ground based lasers at our military sattelites, and now
they are trying to put up more sattelites with random orbit patters. The
pentagon wont say whether they actually blinded a sattelite or not.

China has fired high-power lasers at U.S. spy satellites flying over its
territory in what experts see as a test of Chinese ability to blind the
spacecraft, according to sources.
It remains unclear how many times the ground-based laser was tested
against U.S. spacecraft or whether it was successful.


http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2121111&C=america

same site, then Im out of here..


Even the Pentagon’s recent China report failed to mention Beijing’s
efforts to blind U.S. reconnaissance satellites. Rather, after a
contentious debate, the White House directed the Pentagon to limit its
concern to one line. In that one line, the report merely acknowledges
China has the ability to blind U.S. satellites, thanks to a powerful
ground-based laser capable of firing a beam of light at an optical
reconnaissance satellite to keep it from taking pictures as it passes
overhead.

Get real.

They knew it was there but what could they do if it did not take an
aggressive stance. Sink it!

China knew they would not and used that as a PR ploy that looks to have
been sucsessful.

read it ad...

1997 Congressional Hearings
Intelligence and Security

read this, I really wasnt there myself!~!!

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1997_hr/s970408c.htm

mind you this was in 1997 and the sub stalking the US carrier fleet
was?????


These old diesel submarines are in the process of being replaced by
smaller numbers of the indigenously produced SONG SS. The SONG is the
first Chinese submarine equipped with a submerged-launch anti- ship
cruise missile. China has also decided to acquire four KILO SSs from
Russia. Two of these boats will be upgraded units with improved quieting
and sonar technology. The improved KILOs are among the quietest
conventional submarines in the world, and coupled with the SONG SS,
provide a generational leap in China’s conventional submarine
technology.(1997 Congressional Security and Intelligence hearing)

for the record fanta the weapons on the subs are confirmed