Why are there not several million more Christians like you! Bravo!

forget that what about the mason!!

I'd say closer to 50 yrs and that's more because of the Southern US and the whole Bible Belt.

I do think there are more atheists and agnostics running around but aren't gonna say anything.

Religion is for people who fear going to hell.

People who are so bereft of personal responsibility and accountability to the present and those around them that they require an invisible being who threatens to spank them for eternity if they don't behave.

Me? I'd rather do the right thing because it has it's own reward.

They're relatively harmless, unless you're speaking about 33rd. degree level masons.

i call a bull**** aswell.

if christians dont judge anyone...AHAHAHAHAHA

then what is it with you christians not letting a man marry another man...or a woman marry another woman.

they are people too..and their love is the same as any other love.

and by not giving them the freedom that anyother person has..
you are judging them...and being unfair.

this is why i am an athiest.
religions are all very hypocritical.

what kind of god wouldnt let two people marry...just because they are of the same gender.

its quite astounding actually...and im very ashamed to belong to a race..or whatever...
where the majority of people are idiotic homaphobes.

its really sad..

hopefully...things will change.

same-sex marriage supporters will fight again for their freedom next year..

lets hope things turn out like they are supposed to.

Oh...and yes it is true that there are a lot of christians out there thant arent fanatics...props to you :)

If the enemy of atheists is religion, and the future without religion where only atheists exist, then the next enemy for the atheists will be "other" atheists.

One guy quoted that "other people are hell." I think this is relevant to reflect on.

there will never be a world without religion..

there will always be a person..or a group of people that will not follow what everyone else is doing.

its what makes us human i guess..

so no..i dont think this is relevant to reflect on...at all.

AND...religion isnt an enemy to athiests..
atleast not to me it isnt..

and im sure other athiests feel the same.

i do not degrade other people who believe in something.
if they do..then thats great for them.

therefore....religion isnt an enemy at all.

I dont fully understand what is in the bible exactly that makes people assume that Jesus Christ was a bigot? It seems like that would be the absolute antithesis to what most of us assume Jesus stood for and what he attempted to impart to the people of his age. Remember they had nothing but the law that was handed down from Moses and that was a lot of stoning and murder an over reacting in general. Jesus offered them a way out of that brutality. Why would Jesus have anything against same gender love? Can anyone explain this phenomena to me?

That is all nice and all. But no matter what, competion is something human beings been doing for a long time. You may prefer to see it otherwise, but in the real world - competing for domination will always continue to be moving forward by whatever group holding whatever ideology.

Eric Cartman said You can do what you want to do, as long as its exactly what everyone else wants you to.

Follow the leaders is the mantra of the mass media. We are taught from birth, not question authority. And mass media has tried to teach not question them. There is the new religion: Capitalism.

i STILL dont agree that there will ever be a world without religion.

in desperate times...people will believe what they want to believe...
even if it werent allowed...or banned...theyd still believe in something.

i do agree somewhat with what you say though *competion is something human beings been doing for a long time....competing for domination will always continue to be moving forward by whatever group holding whatever ideology.*

competition is def something us humans have been doing for a long time..and it will continue.
some people will always want the next best thing.
and will want to be better than others..

but like i said..

there will ALWAYS be a group of non conformists..
that will do what THEY want to do..
despite what the government and what society is doing.

its like that even today....
i guess maybe they call them radicals?

a good example of people keeping their faith...and believing in what they want..depite the consequences (though it may not have much relevance to this topic)

were people during the time when hitler was alive and terrorizing the jewish people.

some of them were given a chance to live...
BUT it meant two things...they had to follow by hitlers rules..
and pretty much abandon their beliefs..

a lot of people that were offered this..decided their faith was more important than life..
so they denied it and were killed.


so this could happen again..
if religion were to ever become illegal or whatever..
i can guarantee that a large amount of people would continue to believe in what they want..
even if it meant they would die for it...

i hope maybe i got my point out there..
im so aweful with this kindof thing :/

Kinda hard to make a systematic sense out of a chaotic world anyway. Don't worry about the whether your point was made. You're cool since you are indeed a Kurt Vonnegut fan. :)

here, HEAR!

I do find the atrocity committed in the name of Jesus Christ to be somewhat engaging however. Why? And why so much of it?

Hey Zaz,
Perhaps your question was more rhetorical in nature but the Bible is a lengthy document translated from one complex language to another. The period involved was one of human oral traditions before, as you well know, the written word had impact to the common man. Oral traditions involved "story telling" in the same way it is used today to hold the audience's attention, provide memory clues for retention, and emotional bonding for the same benefits that a speaker uses today for motivation. The huge volume of the Bible causes it to be the target of many, religious or not, to be able to make it say almost anything by focusing on specific passages.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head by saying Jesus did not appear to be against love of any kind. He appears to be pro love and anti brutality. If you remove all religious aspects of Jesus, you are left with a person who "preached" kindness, acceptance, tolerance, and friendship in the midst of a brutal civilzation run by foreign invaders.

yeah thats true...

haha well thanks

Being an atheist, or agnostic, is favourable to worshipping a false god [Lucifer], who sent his messenger to trick millions into believing he was the one true god.