However, judgment and life after are minimalized in Jewish thought, there is no Hell, for instance, etc.

Well yes I believe also he was a human. I don't think I stated otherwise, but what is uncertain by many people around the world is where did he learn his idealgy and from whom.

Some claim that he was in India learning hinduism or buddhism even. Since it is a peaceful philosophy and has existed before many of the common religions practiced today this could be a possiblity that he took this knowledge to show a different idealogy to his people when he came back.

He was born a jew but was he a jew in heart? He did question often the old testament which bothered the jews that followed it. Afterall their followings where dwindling and they needed to somehow invoke the people to follow the old testament again. The reason why the new testament was written, yet the antithesis of what Jesus was actually teaching.

You see I don't follow the bible and its teachings. I don't think the writers of the book actually wrote what Jesus was truly trying to show his people. They primarily sacrificed him to rejuvenate the old testament.

Of course I am aware that most christians disagree with this idealogy and I am usually told to go read the bible again. lol

This is a matter of opinion of course. Take what you like from it.

I of course like this story better, but nevertheless like I mentioned above, I wasn't there so we don't exactly know. Anything is possible concerning the events of Jesus for over 2000 years ago and only again if he truly existed. Some even doubt this.

The early church tried to de-emphasis Paul, for example, the writings of Justin Martyr, as Paul de-emphasizes the historical Jesus and his teachings are very much in line with Gnostic teachings. Maricon , Paul's greatest pupil was banned for stating that with Jesus the entire OT was no longer relevant.

Whether he was divine or not he was most certainly human and lived a fully human life. Jesus was actually popular in his community but he ran afoul of the authorities as a lot of popular jewish men in his time did. When this happened they either fled the Holy Land or were killed as Jesus was.

This is too bad. I would have liked to have read stories of Jesus and his time at a ripe age. I am sure he had more to offer us then his 30 odd years on this planet.

Jesus was INTENSLY Jewish,heart and soul. He never departed from that, although he did put a unique spin on some things and did a few things that were considered different (but never against the Torah)This made him very popular with the Jewish people.They held a huge parade for him when he visited Jerusalem. He was a celebrity. A lot of the Jewish people tried to defend him when he was brought up on (false)charges and he also knew that he was a wanted man and his life was in danger but he chose death over exile from the promised land of his people. It was all part of his plan.

This is where I would disagree with you. Yes he was Jewish, but he questioned the Torah for its factuality and dealings of how to treat one another.

So again I will mention in his missing years he may have found his calling from a foreign country that had a better philosophy on how to coexist in peace without the resort of harsh punishment tactics that the Abrahamic God gives.

and to not repeat myself again you would have to scroll up a few posts to see the complete story of what I personally think happened.

So yes you have your opinion that you deem as correct and I have mine.

Whatever the reason is we both agree that Jesus was a great guy full of good intentions. That I think we can agree on.

I dont see why he would have to visit a foregn country (India) to come up with some ideas. Do people have to visit India to come up with ideas now?

One doesn't have to go anywhere or even follow a religion to come up with good ideas. To me it is common sense that we don't steal, hurt, cheat, or deceive one another. I can just follow naturlists or humantarians idealogies for that.

What we are trying to figure out is where was Jesus in his missing years? Some say he went to Egypt others say he was in Asian lands.

Some scholars believe that he was in India or its surrounding areas. Now if he was there one has to remember that the majority of the people living there are hindus and buddhism was on the rise.

So he would have naturally been exposed to these philosophies.

And who knows he may have picked up some of the knowledge they have been practicing for thousands of years before the old testament and incorporated them into his practices when he returned to his people.

Or are you saying that the Torah and the Bible are peaceful documents that show morales of how to live amongst each other in peace? I so happen not to think so and feel they are dangerous writings that people should avoid.

If so then we differ in opinion again. Nothing new.

I can show you a list of the history of Christianity and how they have become a world religion. Do you think they did this peacefully?

Well if you do then you have something coming at you when you realize it isn't so.

So in the end ask yourself from all the spiritual practices that are practiced in the world, is Christianity really the most peaceful and moralistic of them all?"

For me personally it isn't.

I choose other spiritual practices that show not only in history that they have a more peaceful attitude about their belief system but also show less atrocities in doing so.

"I can show you a list of the history of Christianity and how they have become a world religion. Do you think they did this peacefully?

Well if you do then you have something coming at you when you realize it isn't so."






I know world history and it doesn't change anything "I believe"

I actually have a major in history when I went to the University of Aachen back home.

I am not here to change your belief system, but I think I am entitled to give my opinion on here.

Believe what you like! By all means.

I never disagreed with you about history



I sort of get the impression that you are projecting onto me all these things that I haven't said.

Well when you put a statement as "What you say doesn't change my belief" then what do you expect me to say afterwords. I am not here to threaten what you believe? I am only here to state my opinions.

Like you preach how people don't like to hear the answers given to them then I can imagine it is no different then the answers I give on these threads.

What I do know is that some do like what I have to say on opinions.

I think my reply was fair.

Having impressions or assuming can be dangerous. I don't assume anything or have a impression from you. I just see you have a different idealogy on what could have happened.

and that is a good thing

for that is how we as a people have evolved over time. From disputing, discussing, debating, disagreeing

to eventually

come with a solution or answer to the problem.

and if not

then it continues until a problem can be resolved.

but concerning religion then we can only speculate if we are honest with ourselves and others.

Of course those who are dedicated to their faith don't agree.

Therefore I end this with a saying that Professor Joseph Campbell always mentions

"Follow your Bliss"

But Smiless, I never felt like my beliefs were being threatened. Thats what I am trying to say. Your opinions are great