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I just love sitting back and watching the left wing liberals squirm like a worm........  LINDYY............  Lindy!!! 
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Democrat here, but not the world's biggest Pelosi fan. She doesn't seem to to know how to forcefully take control of an issue. But regardless of what she knew or didn't know, this is still attempt by the Republicans to turn the focus away from an investigation of the previous administration for the war crimes they likely committed. SHhhhhhhhh, If the DA's keep pushing her we may get an investigation! 
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Democrat here, but not the world's biggest Pelosi fan. She doesn't seem to to know how to forcefully take control of an issue. But regardless of what she knew or didn't know, this is still attempt by the Republicans to turn the focus away from an investigation of the previous administration for the war crimes they likely committed. let them bring it on. the former administration wont be the only ones involved, congress will be right along with them. Put all the guilty in jail! Im an Independent! I say try every body whose name pops up! That's the reason for an independent investigation. No party affiliations! |
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Let the chips fall where they may. If some Dems have to go down in order for Bush and his henchmen to be held accountable, so be it. I am an American before I am a Democrat. Lock and Load!  Please let Pelosi be first! |
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Let the chips fall where they may. If some Dems have to go down in order for Bush and his henchmen to be held accountable, so be it. I am an American before I am a Democrat. Lock and Load! Please let Pelosi be first! Well gezz if we keep agreeing like this I may have to rethink my position 
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I just returned from my graduation ceremony! Im in a pretty good mood.
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I just returned from my graduation ceremony! Im in a pretty good mood. |
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I just returned from my graduation ceremony! Im in a pretty good mood. No Prom brother! It's over when the fat-lady-sings! |
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I just returned from my graduation ceremony! Im in a pretty good mood. No Prom brother! It's over when the fat-lady-sings! Cheers and congratulations What did you study?
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Gee...I don't like the speaker at all myself but...
Phil Gramm who has maintained detailed journals of every day in his government service was supposedly briefed by the CIA too. They listed four dates that they allege to have briefed the then senator. The trouble is...he showed them proof he was never briefed on three of the four listed days. Later the CIA admitted there was an error and that they had not briefed or even visited Sen. Gramm on those dates. However they went on to say when they did brief him they discussed water boarding. Gramm denies that the content of those briefings was what the CIA now says they were. Gramm goes on to point out that the alleged briefing in which the CIA says they fully disclosed torture was just one week after they shared their report on Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction. Gramm rightly points out their "report" was completely without foundation. Revisionist history aside the fact is the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is unproven and likely based solely upon the lie from one, yes just one, informant who received a very nice pay day from the Bush administration for saying they existed. Gramm points to this flawed intelligence and says again rightly...he has little confidence in the CIA. Gramm does not say the CIA lied to him. Instead he calls it a lie of omission pointing out that the CIA instead of "speaking truth to power" instead chose to tell power what it wanted to hear. Does this sound familiar? It's just what the authors of the torture memo's did. Instead of speaking truth to power they chose to construct a legal scenario that appeased the president. This should not be startling to the American public. Look at the compromises we made from the halls of power to the main street in the aftermath of 9/11. Anyone who thinks the CIA would not lie...especially after being caught with their pants down like that is really quite naive. Is the speaker guiltless in this? Maybe not...but maybe so too. Let's be really honest here. Had we from the start followed the rule of law...we wouldn't ever have to ask these questions. |
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Was she misled to think water-boarding was giving the prisoners a SHOWER???
  
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Edited by
Lynann
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Fri 05/15/09 10:37 PM
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Well gee the fear invoking flag waving republicans can point fingers and cry about being anti-American all they want.
Gramm has already proven the CIA lied about briefing members of congress regarding it's practices and policies. Gramm the former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman said that approximately a month ago, the CIA provided him with false information about how many times and when he was briefed on enhanced interrogations. "When this issue started to resurface I called the appropriate people in the agency and said I would like to know the dates from your records that briefings were held," Graham recalled. "And they contacted me and gave me four dates -- two in April '02 and two in September '02. Now, one of the things I do, and for which I have taken some flack, is keep a spiral notebook of what I do throughout the day. And so I went through my records and through a combination of my daily schedule, which I keep, and my notebooks, I confirmed and the CIA agreed that my notes were accurate; that three of those four dates there had been no briefing. There was only one day that I had been briefed, which was September the 27th of 2002." As for the one briefing he did attend, the Florida Democrat said that he had "no recollection that issues such as waterboarding were discussed." He was not, per the sensitive nature of the matters discussed, allowed to take notes at the time. But he did highlight what he considered to be pretty strong proof that the controversial technique was not discussed. "What struck me...was the fact that in that briefing, there were also two staff members," he said. "As you know, the general rule is that the executive is to brief the full committees of the House and Senate Intelligence committees about any ongoing or proposed action. The exception to that is what is called "covert action," where the president...only briefs the Gang of Eight, which is the four congressional leaders and the four intelligence committee leaders. Those sessions are generally conducted at an executive site, primarily at the White House itself. And they are conducted with just the authorized personnel, not with any staff or any other member of the committee.... Which leads me to conclude that this was not considered by the CIA to be a Gang of Eight briefing. Otherwise they would not have had staff in the room. And that leads me to then believe that they didn't brief us on any of the sensitive programs such as the waterboarding or other forms of excessive interrogation." Graham declined to speculate as to what took place during Pelosi's briefings, noting that the House and Senate had two entirely different sessions. But he did point out that, at the time, "the whole credibility of the intelligence committee, particularly the CIA, was pretty much in question" -- giving credence to Pelosi's claims that she was given faulty information. "The irony," said Graham, "is that the whole series of events in late September of '02 were concurrent with the CIA's release of the first classified version of the National Intelligence Estimate, which was one of the key factors that led me to vote against the war in Iraq because I thought that their case was so weak. And they were making to the public these very bold statements about how we were in extreme danger if we didn't move quickly to eradicate Saddam Hussein. The whole, 'a smoking gun may appear in the form of a mushroom cloud' kind of argument." |
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I wouldnt believe anything coming from Phill "this is a mental recession" Gramm!
Nada! Nothing! |
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Watching Pelosi dig her own grave is wonderful...to bad I can't say the same about her face
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I guess I missed the proof that Phil Gramm found about the lies????
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It was right after blonde distraction.
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ummm...hey...
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 05/16/09 08:50 PM
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What?
lOOK--------> SHOES!  |
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didn't work...I hate shopping and not a shoe freak
ok...but what is this about proof??? |
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Well gee the fear invoking flag waving republicans can point fingers and cry about being anti-American all they want. Gramm has already proven the CIA lied about briefing members of congress regarding it's practices and policies. Gramm the former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman said that approximately a month ago, the CIA provided him with false information about how many times and when he was briefed on enhanced interrogations. "When this issue started to resurface I called the appropriate people in the agency and said I would like to know the dates from your records that briefings were held," Graham recalled. "And they contacted me and gave me four dates -- two in April '02 and two in September '02. Now, one of the things I do, and for which I have taken some flack, is keep a spiral notebook of what I do throughout the day. And so I went through my records and through a combination of my daily schedule, which I keep, and my notebooks, I confirmed and the CIA agreed that my notes were accurate; that three of those four dates there had been no briefing. There was only one day that I had been briefed, which was September the 27th of 2002." As for the one briefing he did attend, the Florida Democrat said that he had "no recollection that issues such as waterboarding were discussed." He was not, per the sensitive nature of the matters discussed, allowed to take notes at the time. But he did highlight what he considered to be pretty strong proof that the controversial technique was not discussed. "What struck me...was the fact that in that briefing, there were also two staff members," he said. "As you know, the general rule is that the executive is to brief the full committees of the House and Senate Intelligence committees about any ongoing or proposed action. The exception to that is what is called "covert action," where the president...only briefs the Gang of Eight, which is the four congressional leaders and the four intelligence committee leaders. Those sessions are generally conducted at an executive site, primarily at the White House itself. And they are conducted with just the authorized personnel, not with any staff or any other member of the committee.... Which leads me to conclude that this was not considered by the CIA to be a Gang of Eight briefing. Otherwise they would not have had staff in the room. And that leads me to then believe that they didn't brief us on any of the sensitive programs such as the waterboarding or other forms of excessive interrogation." Graham declined to speculate as to what took place during Pelosi's briefings, noting that the House and Senate had two entirely different sessions. But he did point out that, at the time, "the whole credibility of the intelligence committee, particularly the CIA, was pretty much in question" -- giving credence to Pelosi's claims that she was given faulty information. "The irony," said Graham, "is that the whole series of events in late September of '02 were concurrent with the CIA's release of the first classified version of the National Intelligence Estimate, which was one of the key factors that led me to vote against the war in Iraq because I thought that their case was so weak. And they were making to the public these very bold statements about how we were in extreme danger if we didn't move quickly to eradicate Saddam Hussein. The whole, 'a smoking gun may appear in the form of a mushroom cloud' kind of argument."
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