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Topic: She's a Mormon now!
Fanta46's photo
Wed 05/06/09 08:37 AM

This is something I have known about since about 1975 when my then future mother in law told me that her mother in law made her a Mormon without her knowledge or consent.

Did you know that can be done and is done folks? What is even more alarming is that the Mormons (not unlike the Monty Python song about the Catholics who want you before you are born) will baptize you after you die.

Part of this, my mother in law joked was about the fact that Mormon's need more women. Both living and dead...you think the Muslim 72 virgins is worthy of contempt? Well, here is this nifty tidbit, "after his death, another 335 women were sealed to him, many of whom he did not know."

Maybe the Mormons are attempting to increase returns in order to lure men if only in the afterlife? (One can only speculate)

So, while you are all pointing fingers and vilifying others...

My ex mother in law is a great woman and one who gave no quarter. She vigorously pursued having her name removed...oh...but not before she was apparently "married" to at least one Mormon man.

If she ends up in his house in the afterlife (assuming what might happen is a mixed bag of all religions) the Mormon man who took her to wife un-consented...well...good luck to him.

So, ladies and gentlemen...you might want to check. You or your forbears might be Mormons...without their or your knowledge or consent. You might want to check it out.

Oh, here's some good new if you want to know. The Mormons keep an extensive genealogy that is available to the general public. Have a peek!

What is funny is this "serious breach stuff" like it is surprising? The practice of baptizing dead people, even those with nearly no affiliation it the Mormons, is common. It has been common since my mother in law looked into it in the mid-70's. But...I am sure there is some deniability there...we all know multiple marriage doesn't happen either. /smirk

It's like that scene from Casablanca, "I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

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Mormon Church investigates baptism of Obama's mother

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is investigating the posthumous "baptism" of President Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, as a "serious breach" of religious code, a spokeswoman said.

Church records published by a liberal blog, Americablog, show that Dunham, who died in 1995, was baptised last June 4 in Provo, Utah, and received endowment, another sacrament, a week later.

"The offering of baptism to our deceased ancestors is a sacred practice to us and it is counter to Church policy for a Church member to submit names for baptism for persons to whom they are not related," said spokeswoman Kim Farah in an emailed statement. "The Church is looking into the circumstances of how this happened and does not yet have all the facts. However, this is a serious matter and we are treating it as such."

Mormons believe that souls cannot enter heaven without undergoing baptism and other sacraments, and that those sacraments can be given by proxy after death. The practice of posthumous baptism by proxy has caused controversy in the past, as when Jewish groups raised objections to the baptism of victims of the Holocaust.

According to "doctrinal background" provided by an LDS spokesman, "well-meaning Church members sometimes bypass this instruction and submit the names of non-relatives for temple baptism. Others — perhaps pranksters or careless persons — have submitted the names of unrelated famous or infamous people, or even wholly fictitious names. These rare acts are contrary to Church policy and sometimes cause pain and embarrassment."



You forgot one simple question.

Does anyone really care about this?

I dont!

Lynann's photo
Wed 05/06/09 08:38 AM
Edited by Lynann on Wed 05/06/09 08:40 AM
Sorry but I didn't bash anyone.

I reported actually events.

Events I find just a bit curious and alarming.

So, I have to ask, how would you feel if you found out some member of your family had been baptized into a religion without their consent?

Maybe a dead child, spouse or parent? I know many of us are baptized by our parents without our consent but...parents...well, that decision is in their job description.

Maybe that Catholic myth still has a hold on me because well I would find that personally rather disquieting. You know...your immortal soul and all that neat stuff?

Mark me down as not caring what you don't care about please.

As for the joke you could cross out Mormon and insert the name of just about any other organized religion.

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 05/06/09 11:01 AM

This is something I have known about since about 1975 when my then future mother in law told me that her mother in law made her a Mormon without her knowledge or consent.

Did you know that can be done and is done folks? What is even more alarming is that the Mormons (not unlike the Monty Python song about the Catholics who want you before you are born) will baptize you after you die.

Part of this, my mother in law joked was about the fact that Mormon's need more women. Both living and dead...you think the Muslim 72 virgins is worthy of contempt? Well, here is this nifty tidbit, "after his death, another 335 women were sealed to him, many of whom he did not know."

Maybe the Mormons are attempting to increase returns in order to lure men if only in the afterlife? (One can only speculate)

So, while you are all pointing fingers and vilifying others...

My ex mother in law is a great woman and one who gave no quarter. She vigorously pursued having her name removed...oh...but not before she was apparently "married" to at least one Mormon man.

If she ends up in his house in the afterlife (assuming what might happen is a mixed bag of all religions) the Mormon man who took her to wife un-consented...well...good luck to him.

So, ladies and gentlemen...you might want to check. You or your forbears might be Mormons...without their or your knowledge or consent. You might want to check it out.

Oh, here's some good new if you want to know. The Mormons keep an extensive genealogy that is available to the general public. Have a peek!

What is funny is this "serious breach stuff" like it is surprising? The practice of baptizing dead people, even those with nearly no affiliation it the Mormons, is common. It has been common since my mother in law looked into it in the mid-70's. But...I am sure there is some deniability there...we all know multiple marriage doesn't happen either. /smirk

It's like that scene from Casablanca, "I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mormon Church investigates baptism of Obama's mother

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is investigating the posthumous "baptism" of President Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, as a "serious breach" of religious code, a spokeswoman said.

Church records published by a liberal blog, Americablog, show that Dunham, who died in 1995, was baptised last June 4 in Provo, Utah, and received endowment, another sacrament, a week later.

"The offering of baptism to our deceased ancestors is a sacred practice to us and it is counter to Church policy for a Church member to submit names for baptism for persons to whom they are not related," said spokeswoman Kim Farah in an emailed statement. "The Church is looking into the circumstances of how this happened and does not yet have all the facts. However, this is a serious matter and we are treating it as such."

Mormons believe that souls cannot enter heaven without undergoing baptism and other sacraments, and that those sacraments can be given by proxy after death. The practice of posthumous baptism by proxy has caused controversy in the past, as when Jewish groups raised objections to the baptism of victims of the Holocaust.

According to "doctrinal background" provided by an LDS spokesman, "well-meaning Church members sometimes bypass this instruction and submit the names of non-relatives for temple baptism. Others — perhaps pranksters or careless persons — have submitted the names of unrelated famous or infamous people, or even wholly fictitious names. These rare acts are contrary to Church policy and sometimes cause pain and embarrassment."

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no photo
Wed 05/06/09 11:13 AM

Any time you post a topic I know there is at least a 50% chance it will have to do with some sort of Christian or Christian related story insulting or bashing Christians before I even read it.With that said no sense reading your posts anymore.


Of course not, heaven forbid one might learn something.

no photo
Wed 05/06/09 11:19 AM

Can you imagine - when you die and are a Christian, somebody can make you a Mormon when you are dead?


Can you imagine being baptised a christian before you are even old enough to understand the religion itself. Always amazes me that a God so powerful, or supposedly so powerful would require a ritual such as this. But of course that's considered bashing right? Not questioning the practice itself.

I was baptised. Why, I didn't give my concent to that. Just never understood this stuff and probably never will.

Winx's photo
Wed 05/06/09 03:34 PM


This is something I have known about since about 1975 when my then future mother in law told me that her mother in law made her a Mormon without her knowledge or consent.

Did you know that can be done and is done folks? What is even more alarming is that the Mormons (not unlike the Monty Python song about the Catholics who want you before you are born) will baptize you after you die.

Part of this, my mother in law joked was about the fact that Mormon's need more women. Both living and dead...you think the Muslim 72 virgins is worthy of contempt? Well, here is this nifty tidbit, "after his death, another 335 women were sealed to him, many of whom he did not know."

Maybe the Mormons are attempting to increase returns in order to lure men if only in the afterlife? (One can only speculate)

So, while you are all pointing fingers and vilifying others...

My ex mother in law is a great woman and one who gave no quarter. She vigorously pursued having her name removed...oh...but not before she was apparently "married" to at least one Mormon man.

If she ends up in his house in the afterlife (assuming what might happen is a mixed bag of all religions) the Mormon man who took her to wife un-consented...well...good luck to him.

So, ladies and gentlemen...you might want to check. You or your forbears might be Mormons...without their or your knowledge or consent. You might want to check it out.

Oh, here's some good new if you want to know. The Mormons keep an extensive genealogy that is available to the general public. Have a peek!

What is funny is this "serious breach stuff" like it is surprising? The practice of baptizing dead people, even those with nearly no affiliation it the Mormons, is common. It has been common since my mother in law looked into it in the mid-70's. But...I am sure there is some deniability there...we all know multiple marriage doesn't happen either. /smirk

It's like that scene from Casablanca, "I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mormon Church investigates baptism of Obama's mother

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is investigating the posthumous "baptism" of President Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, as a "serious breach" of religious code, a spokeswoman said.

Church records published by a liberal blog, Americablog, show that Dunham, who died in 1995, was baptised last June 4 in Provo, Utah, and received endowment, another sacrament, a week later.

"The offering of baptism to our deceased ancestors is a sacred practice to us and it is counter to Church policy for a Church member to submit names for baptism for persons to whom they are not related," said spokeswoman Kim Farah in an emailed statement. "The Church is looking into the circumstances of how this happened and does not yet have all the facts. However, this is a serious matter and we are treating it as such."

Mormons believe that souls cannot enter heaven without undergoing baptism and other sacraments, and that those sacraments can be given by proxy after death. The practice of posthumous baptism by proxy has caused controversy in the past, as when Jewish groups raised objections to the baptism of victims of the Holocaust.

According to "doctrinal background" provided by an LDS spokesman, "well-meaning Church members sometimes bypass this instruction and submit the names of non-relatives for temple baptism. Others — perhaps pranksters or careless persons — have submitted the names of unrelated famous or infamous people, or even wholly fictitious names. These rare acts are contrary to Church policy and sometimes cause pain and embarrassment."



You forgot one simple question.

Does anyone really care about this?

I dont!


Why did you say that?

Winx's photo
Wed 05/06/09 03:36 PM


Can you imagine - when you die and are a Christian, somebody can make you a Mormon when you are dead?


Can you imagine being baptised a christian before you are even old enough to understand the religion itself. Always amazes me that a God so powerful, or supposedly so powerful would require a ritual such as this. But of course that's considered bashing right? Not questioning the practice itself.

I was baptised. Why, I didn't give my concent to that. Just never understood this stuff and probably never will.


I baptized my child when they were a baby. I see what you're saying though. My cousin is of a different religion. She has her teenage children get baptized, if they choose to do so.

Lynann's photo
Wed 05/06/09 06:36 PM
My father (a man who thinks there is no God but him) refused to allow my baptism in the Catholic church, something usually done quite soon after birth, until I was a year old. He wanted to wait longer but succumbed to the hand wringing of my mothers family.

His point...if God really cares...and if he is real...everything will be fine without the ritual.

My father and I butted heads many times over the years, he is a smart evil bastard, but he actually told me one day he was damned sorry he let them baptize me because it should have been my choice.

He is right.

We have no choice about what nation we are born into, who are parents are, what our sexual orientation is, how tall we are, what color are hair is or if we will even have any...but we do have a choice about our relationship with our Gods or God (which ever you like) and to have someone rob you of that...even posthumously seems pretty damned disrespectful to the person and to his or her (and even your) God.

Personally I am a person of great faith...I just have very very little in my fellow human beings.

Stuff like this proves it.

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