Topic: Water Canopy Theory!
AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 05/08/07 08:47 AM
Here is some of the information to back up the facts as I have stated
them.

Scientific rebuttal of vapor canopy theory - Air can hold, at most, 55
grams of water per cubic meter. In contrast, liquid water is at a
density of 1,000,000 grams per cubic meter. The ratio of the two numbers
is 1:18,000. Therefore, a flood of 1 mile thickness (which would cover
only 1/5 of Mount Everest), would require 18,000 miles of canopy.
Besides the problem of gravity (which would bring the whole thing down),
such a thick layer of water would completely block any light from the
Sun from reaching the earth.

Even a canopy of only 40 feet of liquid water would double the earth's
atmospheric pressure, which would kill many animals, including humans.
This pressure would also increase the temperature on the earth to a
scorching 220°F. Most animals and plants do not survive long at this
temperature.

Another problem is getting the water out of the atmosphere and onto the
ground without cooking everything on the earth. Each gram of water vapor
that condenses to a liquid releases 539 calories of heat. For a global
water layer of only 40 feet deep, 6.22 x 1021 grams of water would
release 3.35 x 1024 calories, raising the temperature of the earth to
810°F. Such a scenario would definitely kill all life on earth, but
would produce a tremendous air conditioning problem for Noah. And a 40
feet deep flood would certainly not be global.

Conclusion Neither the Bible nor science support the idea that a water
canopy ever existed above the earth. The Bible teaches that the
"expanse" of Genesis 1:6-8 cannot be a canopy, since it encompasses both
the atmosphere and interstellar space. The Bible also indicates that the
"floodgates of heaven" are nothing more than a reference to clouds and
rain (as found in passages after the Genesis flood). Scientifically, any
kind of water canopy produces so much heat that it would cook everything
on the planet.

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 05/08/07 08:55 AM
Oh I almost forgot.

The above information can be located at.

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/canopy.org

for those of you that need further proof there is much more in the
article.

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 05/08/07 08:57 AM
From the wikki.

In order for the vapor canopy to explain a truly global flood covering
the highest mountains (as apparently described in Genesis), the
atmosphere would have had to have a composition of about 900 parts water
vapor to one part of what we call air today. To prevent this from
condensing, the temperature would have to be raised to the point where
the partial pressure of water equals 900 atmospheres. This is equivalent
to the surface of the planet having the same environment as a 13,000 psi
boiler, completely inhospitable to any form of life.

Some creationists respond that the "vapor canopy" was composed not of
vapor within the atmosphere, but of ice crystals above the atmosphere.
(Morris's original proposal relied on water vapor, not ice.) Such a
spherical shell of ice orbiting the earth above the atmosphere would not
be physically stable.

Additionally, the fall of so great a quantity of ice (or of anything
else) from so great a distance to the earth's surface would produce an
enormous amount of heat converted from the gravitational potential
energy of the ice. The consequence would have been not a flood but a
poaching by superheated steam.

These issues can be mitigated somewhat by proposing that the vapor
canopy was not the only source of water in the Flood (Genesis refers to
"the fountains of the deep", interpreted by creationists as referring to
some vast underground store of water), but if the canopy theory is to be
of any use then the canopy needs to account for a substantial fraction
of the water needed to submerge the highest mountains, and even reducing
the figures above by a factor of 10 would not solve the problems.

joe1973's photo
Tue 05/08/07 09:45 AM
but this i have to say:there is only one true way of finding out if this
theory is correct.ask in prayer for the answer to be shown.it says in
the bible :thou shalt not judge for ye shalt be judged. now this theory
of yours IS classifiable as judging.but that is for the great spirit to
decide fully.i myself believe that if the great spirit wanted us to
understand how the earth was covered in water,then we would FULLY know
and understand how it happened.but until such time we have to second
guess ALL of the miracles of the great spirit.i myself am baptist, AND a
smoker.i have asked for help to quit smoking.i am starting to cut back
on my smoking.i know that i am weak.so that is why i have asked for
help.we ALL should be asking for help in re to understanding certain
things that happened in the past.we also should ask for help to
understand what DOES happen.

no photo
Tue 05/08/07 10:31 AM
Yahweh, the Creator of all things, had no problem with the flood...which
you seem to, so desparately, be trying to prove could not have happened.

Many things have happened, and many things are still happening that
science can not explain.

Why does God do things the way He does? Why does He allow bad things to
happen? Why did not God, in the beginning just speak, and and make
everything perfect, as it will be when His plan is finished? .. I don't
know...maybe He just wanted the ride.

'Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the
potters' clay; for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me
not? Or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no
understanding?' Isaiah 29;16

'For God so loved the world that he gave his only Begotten Son that
whosoever believe in Him should not perish but have everlasting life',
John 3:16

Peace, Love, Joy

Redykeulous's photo
Tue 05/08/07 11:02 AM
Well let's see, some 40 years ago I was taught that the world was
covered in water, and that the Bible said so. However, this was
literal, and as the waters of the seas and oceans dissipated, a
puruified land began to appear. Land seasoned, pure and furtile and
ready for all that God wanted to plant upon the soil.

So maybe the "covered in water" theory has somehow evolved? noway

no photo
Tue 05/08/07 11:20 AM
Red,I believe in evolution...a process of gradual growth and
change...set in motion by Almighty God.

Love
Peace
Joy

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 05/08/07 03:24 PM
I do not have a problem with the FLOOD that obviously happend and is
accounted in nearly every historical reference that has survived since
antiquity. Christian or otherwise.

I have a problem scientifically with the absurd theory of a water
canopy. Science and religion must agree or one or both of them are
wrong. I have placed the math and science and even inadvertantly a
small piece of words of the bible in front of your eyes.

since I have been accused of lieing I even placed the opinions of others
in here with the asked for links to provide the proof.
(for those that really wish to go further into this subject there are
many links most of them reference math that is uncontested. Some
reference math that has been shown to be false... Which, when it
happened they simply resort to - we prayed and the answer came to us -
prayer works wonderes but it can not make a duck a monkey)

Both science and religion find fault with this theory. Check it out for
yourself and you will see.

The flood happened there is now denying that. It did not happen because
of a fictious canopy of water hanging in our atmosphere or in orbit. It
happened because god made it rain.

the simple answer is usually the best answer.

netuserlla's photo
Tue 05/08/07 08:43 PM
Here is an off of the top of my head theroy about the flood.
Buuut, could the flood be a 'type of' global warming that melted the
caps and flooded the land? Then had a type of 'ice age' that helped
bring the earth back to normal?Huuuum.

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 05/08/07 09:12 PM
That sir is a most promising theory.

Such warming if catastrophic in nature would have made a heck of a lot
of rain. Would have produced 'fountains of water from the deep' and it
would have taken quite a while for the atmosphere to have cleared such
an enourmous amount of water entering it in a short period. Perhaps it
would have even taken it 40 days to rain it all out.

joe1973's photo
Tue 05/08/07 11:30 PM
net has a "coo coo" theory.but logical one at that.BUT what caused it to
happen?why do we still have the ice caps?where is the proof of it
happening for that to take place?

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 05/08/07 11:33 PM
Well I reckon the ice caps grew back. Was a long time ago.

Would kind of explain the Riese maps of the shorline of antarctica. The
are quite accurate but could not be verified till we developed radar
cause of the Ross ice shelf.