Miles, sorry for the interuption.

I understand what you are questioning, but I think you need to
understand, first that your question can be viewed as lopsided.

You question is written from the stand point of a Christian, to other
Christians. It can only be read that way because your refer to "The
Massiah". There are many religions that believe in God, but do not
believe that Jesus was anything more than another prophet, or many just
a geat man.

I will suppose you meant this question for anyone. So I will give you
my answer. I believe that the Jews sufferd a huge amount of oppression
during those times. It is just such a time when the old prophacies were
ripe for the picking. Many of the Jewish faith were desperate for a way
out of the oppression and a freedom to live and worship as they had in
the past. Some decided that Jesus must surely be the massiah whose
coming was foretold of. Others did not. This made it even more
crucial, made those who believed the Massiah was here, even more
determined to find ways to make the scriptures fit what they needed most
- a Massiah to save them all.

So what made Jesus the perfect one to be the savior? It was need, it
was desperate times, and desperate people find ways of making anything
fit a neeed, including interpretin old scriptures. He was the perfect
sacrifice, the issue remains open as to whether or not he was the
Massiah, the Savior.

Yes the question was written for a christian perspective, Yet I deny
christianity. It has become Greek folk lore. Thier belief is more in
tradion than the commands of Yahweh. They believe what suites them and
not what the bible says. As far as the Messiah being perfect he had to
be to release the death penalty to a;; those who broke the law
ununtentually. A sacrafice requires blood. He gave his own blood freely
and tool the sins of the world upon him. When he had risen after 3 days
and 3 nights. He was in a state of uncorruption death and being raised
from the dead accomplished this. This is why he told Mary not to touch
him because he had not risen to his father Tahweh yet. Sin which all men
have can not stand before yahweh. He needed to go before his father and
wave the wave sheaf of grain as an offering and this started the count
to pentecost which is a prophecy of 50 days (pente=50). This is in
direct corralation to the Jubilee year which is every 50 years. This is
what he is comming.......

Luke 4:16-22
me to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He
went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And
He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the
book, He found the place where it was written:

18 "The Spirit of Yahweh is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh."

20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat
down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him.
21 And He began to say to them, "Today this Scripture is fulfilled in
your hearing."
NKJV

Now this scripture was fullfilled because he came to the outcast of the
people. Yet he did not finish this verse as you will see will happen
when he come back.


Isa 61:1-8
he Spirit of Yahweh Elohim is upon Me,Because Yahweh has annoited Me to
heal the brokenhearted,To proclaim liberty to the captives,And the
opening of the prison to those who are bound; 2 To proclaim the
acceptable year of Yahweh,And the day of vengeance of our Elohim;To
comfort all who mourn, 3 To console those who mourn in Zion,To give them
beauty for ashes,The oil of joy for mourning,The garment of praise for
the spirit of heaviness;That they may be called trees of
righteousness,The planting of Yahweh, that He may be glorified."
4 And they shall rebuild the old ruins,They shall raise up the former
desolations,And they shall repair the ruined cities,The desolations of
many generations. 5 Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks,And the
sons of the foreigner Shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers. 6 But
you shall be named the priests of Yahweh riches of the Gentiles,And in
their glory you shall boast. 7 Instead of your shame you shall have
double honor,And instead of confusion they shall rejoice in their
portion.Therefore in their land they shall possess double;Everlasting
joy shall be theirs.
8
NKJV

If you will notice in Luke 4:19 he ended with saying the acceptable year
of Yahweh. His coming to set things right that the Holy Spirit after his
death could come. Yet in Isa 61:2 in which he was quoting from he did
not say ..

Isa 61:2
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance of our Elohim;
NKJV

Luke 4:8
o proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh."
NKjv

Why? Because vengence is not to come untill all the evangel has been
spread to all the world and we have destroyed our world by envy and
power hungry men that if he did not come back we would destroy
ourselves. Which is happening now. In Rev i believe the 3rd Horseman is
riding which i believe is the forced spread of democracy. SWhich is
changing our way of life and thinking dramatically. Then after this war
ends the 4th horseman will ride which is death by famine. As we look to
alternitive fuels which is depleting our food supply and rising the
prices of our food which will make the poor poorer snd then when the
world wide drought comes people will be killing to feed thier families.

Now the 3rd horseman of Revelations rides carring with it the symbols
of democracy..

Rev 6:5-6

When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say,
"Come and see." So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat
on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the
midst of the four living creatures saying, "A quart of wheat for a
denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the
oil and the wine."
NKJV
Then after this war get prepared as this prophecy tells us to.

Rev 6:7-8

When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living
creature saying, "Come and see." 8 So I looked, and behold, a pale
horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed
with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to
kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the
earth.
NKJV


Be watchful.. To go back to end this thing when i Quoted what the
messiah Yahshua said from Isa.

Remember the scriptures say that know one has seen Yahweh and lived..And
when the armies of the world see him and attack they will not live
either. So I will leave you with a frighting seen in Israel..

Zech 14:10-15

10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south
of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place
from Benjamin's Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate,
and from the Tower of Hananel to the king's winepresses.

11 The people shall dwell in it;
And no longer shall there be utter destruction,
But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague with which Yahweh will strike all the
people who fought against Jerusalem:

Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

13 It shall come to pass in that day
That a great panic from Yahweh will be among them.
Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor,
And raise his hand against his neighbor's hand;
14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem.
And the wealth of all the surrounding nations
Shall be gathered together:
Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance.

15 Such also shall be the plague
On the horse and the mule,
On the camel and the donkey,
And on all the cattle that will be in those camps.
So shall this plague be.
NKJV

Many more things will happen but just remember Babylon (who is the
enemy of Yahweh) he tells us to come out of her because she has made the
world rich and she will be destroyed i 1 hour. Which just recently this
has become possible. Here are those words about Babylon..

Rev 18:1-21

After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having
great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. 2 And he
cried mightily with a loud voice, saying,"Babylon the great is fallen,
is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every
foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! 3 For all the
nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the
kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the
merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her
luxury."

4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying,"Come out of her, my
people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her
iniquities. 6 Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her
double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix
double for her. 7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived
luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she
says in her heart, 'I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see
sorrow.' 8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day — death and
mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for
strong is Yahweh Elohim who judges her.

9 The World Mourns Babylon's Fall


"The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously
with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her
burning, 10 standing at a distance for fear of her torment,
saying,'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon , that mighty city! For in
one hour your judgment has come.'

11 "And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no
one buys their merchandise anymore: 12 merchandise of gold and silver,
precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet,
every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of
object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; 13 and cinnamon
and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and
wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of
men. 14 The fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all
the things which are rich and splendid have gone from you, and you shall
find them no more at all. 15 The merchants of these things, who became
rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping
and wailing, 16 and saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city that was
clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and
precious stones and pearls! 17 For in one hour such great riches came to
nothing.' Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many
as trade on the sea, stood at a distance 18 and cried out when they saw
the smoke of her burning, saying,'What is like this great city?'

19 "They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing,
and saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on
the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made
desolate.'

20 "Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, for
God has avenged you on her!"


NKJV

Be Ready and give it some thought. Miles

Now the 3rd horseman of Revelations rides carring with it the symbols
of democracy..

Rev 6:5-6

When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say,
"Come and see." So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat
on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the
midst of the four living creatures saying, "A quart of wheat for a
denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the
oil and the wine."
NKJV
Then after this war get prepared as this prophecy tells us to.

Rev 6:7-8

When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living
creature saying, "Come and see." 8 So I looked, and behold, a pale
horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed
with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to
kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the
earth.
NKJV


Be watchful.. To go back to end this thing when i Quoted what the
messiah Yahshua said from Isa.

Remember the scriptures say that know one has seen Yahweh and lived..And
when the armies of the world see him and attack they will not live
either. So I will leave you with a frighting seen in Israel..

Zech 14:10-15

10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south
of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place
from Benjamin's Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate,
and from the Tower of Hananel to the king's winepresses.

11 The people shall dwell in it;
And no longer shall there be utter destruction,
But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague with which Yahweh will strike all the
people who fought against Jerusalem:

Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

13 It shall come to pass in that day
That a great panic from Yahweh will be among them.
Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor,
And raise his hand against his neighbor's hand;
14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem.
And the wealth of all the surrounding nations
Shall be gathered together:
Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance.

15 Such also shall be the plague
On the horse and the mule,
On the camel and the donkey,
And on all the cattle that will be in those camps.
So shall this plague be.
NKJV

Many more things will happen but just remember Babylon (who is the
enemy of Yahweh) he tells us to come out of her because she has made the
world rich and she will be destroyed i 1 hour. Which just recently this
has become possible. Here are those words about Babylon..

Rev 18:1-21

After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having
great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. 2 And he
cried mightily with a loud voice, saying,"Babylon the great is fallen,
is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every
foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! 3 For all the
nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the
kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the
merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her
luxury."

4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying,"Come out of her, my
people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her
iniquities. 6 Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her
double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix
double for her. 7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived
luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she
says in her heart, 'I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see
sorrow.' 8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day — death and
mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for
strong is Yahweh Elohim who judges her.

9 The World Mourns Babylon's Fall


"The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously
with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her
burning, 10 standing at a distance for fear of her torment,
saying,'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon , that mighty city! For in
one hour your judgment has come.'

11 "And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no
one buys their merchandise anymore: 12 merchandise of gold and silver,
precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet,
every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of
object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble; 13 and cinnamon
and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and
wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of
men. 14 The fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all
the things which are rich and splendid have gone from you, and you shall
find them no more at all. 15 The merchants of these things, who became
rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping
and wailing, 16 and saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city that was
clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and
precious stones and pearls! 17 For in one hour such great riches came to
nothing.' Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many
as trade on the sea, stood at a distance 18 and cried out when they saw
the smoke of her burning, saying,'What is like this great city?'

19 "They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing,
and saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on
the sea became rich by her wealth! For in one hour she is made
desolate.'

20 "Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, for
God has avenged you on her!"


NKJV

Be Ready and give it some thought. Miles

Well, Miles - If I saw the following and someone told be to explain it,
I might try to explain what happened on 9/11. So are we farther along
in Revelations that even you think???



"The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously
with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her
burning, 10 standing at a distance for fear of her torment,
saying,'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon , that mighty city! For in
one hour your judgment has come.' 11 "And the merchants of the earth
will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore:
12 merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine
linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every
kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood,
bronze, iron, and marble; 13 and cinnamon
and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and
wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of
men. 14 The fruit that your soul longed for has gone from you, and all
the things which are rich and splendid have gone from you, and you shall
find them no more at all. 15 The merchants of these things, who became
rich by her, will stand at a distance for fear of her torment, weeping
and wailing, 16 and saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city that was
clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and
precious stones and pearls! 17 For in one hour such great riches came to
nothing.' Every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many
as trade on the sea, stood at a distance 18 and cried out when they saw
the smoke of her burning, saying,'What is like this great city?'

No i believe we are at the 3rd horseman spreading democracy as the
world gets rich from us by us buying from them....oil,cars,most thing in
our discount stores.We are doing business with china when i thought
(correct me if i am wrong) we had said years ago as long as china
repressed thier people we would do no business with them. I believe they
still do repress thier people from freedom of speech. Yet we do enormous
business from them bringing thier economy full steam ahead. The USA i
believe before the end when things are really messed up and it is moving
quickly. As I said i believe using our crop supply to make ethenol,
which sound great will be a downfall if we come into a several year
drought like the depression.this i believe is when the 4the horseman
rides from revelations. Yellowstone national Park a few years ago the
scientists were so afraid of an immenent volcano eruption that the news
media was notified and a mandatory evacuation from what i have seen on
the Discovery channel.When the Washington got wind of this these same
scientists came out and said they had made a mistake. and we the public
did not hear a word of this on our news channels. But what did happen a
few month later Hollywood came out with a movie about Yellowstone
erupting. This is called conditioning our minds. make it not seem real.
just like in the late 80's or early 90's the show Will and grace came
out. This show became very popular. What was it's main them? That Gay's
are funny people great to have around and any one who thought
differently was a bigget. This show was very intentional in it's
propoganda (IMO). Since then our churches are saying being a homosexual
is perfectly normal and are ordaining them. Now if your grandparents
came back to life i wonder what they would think? Well anyway
Yellowstone they found dead buffalo and other animals in the park just
fallen over dead. When they checked the air quality they found it very
high (enough to kill)in carbonmonoxide gas. This is a natural gas lava
puts off when seeping through the ground to the top. They also found
that the whole park was having in different places this grayish type
muck coming out of the ground at above the boiling point. These areas
are off limits to visitors now. When they checked thier satalite imaging
of the park in the last several years the park had risen 4 foot
indicating that molten lava was breaking/melting the rock above it
causing the rise in the park. The lava under yellowstone is 5 miles deep
20 miles across and 60 miles long. The last updated report that i saw
was is if Yellowstone had a major eruption it would destroy North
America not just the USA in a very short time. This to me is a very real
sign as they also say that the smoke from her would be seen all around
the world and also the blast would be heard all around the world also.
Now if this happens then the USA by prophecy is Babylon a whore who does
business to get what they want and yet sits as a Queen. This is true
today. So we could see why the whole earth would mourn over her
distruction. but we are not thier yet 1/4 of the earth must die from
disease and drought as the world who is not affected sits back and watch
it happen maybe because these people we have no interest in because
thier is nothing in it for us. Africa we are seeing the beginning of it
but as the saying goes "you ain't seen noth'in yet" miles

off topic-

what made him so perfect?

he was a man, who represented something to his people at the time. if
nothing else he inspired. do i believe he is was most seem to think he
was? nah, i believe we dont understand the traditions of his time and
give them more importance and meaning than what they really even had for
his own peoples.

or maybe he was his generations david copperfield.

believe in something, hold on to it. maybe someday it will suit you
good.

Zap steps into the lions den, eyes open wide, craps his pants, and backs
out slowly......

The Law was given to the Isrealites (not the jews they were but 1
tribe out of 12)when they agreed to do Yahweh's commands for his favor.
Most of these laws are common today. The difference is they or some not
only carried the death penalty but also carried eternal death (no after
life). When the people sined though thier was a system set up to
sacrafice animals for thier breaking of the law (sin.)They at certain
times of the year had to sacrafice a perfect lamb that had no blimishes.
The very best they had. This may seem strange to sacrafice a lamb for
thier sins. They did this every year at passover. They were told for
each family to do this and they were to bring this lamb into thier house
4 days before the passover as a pet. The purpose of this was for them to
understand that sin brings death and because of thier actions others are
affected just as our actions today can bring hard ache or death to
others and even the ones we love. The messiah Yahshua came to this earth
as a gift to society. Yahshua gave up his heavenly home to be born a man
and to experience all the temptations and heart ache that they did. He
was showing them an example by living with the outcasts of the Religious
right who had added things to the law that was not part of the
agreement. This gave the leaders power over the people because only they
could be right ( sound familiar for our time?) He lived and taught the
people and showed them that the keeping of the law brought many
blessings if only they would believe. He was perfect in keeping this law
and the miracles he did was the blessings Yahweh bestowed on his behalf
for Yahweh's pleasure in seeing his obedient son. Yahshua gave his life
even though he did nothing wrong. A man doing this brought a greater
blessing to us than any animal (lamb) could ever do. What it did it
released us from the curse of the law (eternal death). He was perfect
for loving Yahweh with all his heart, mind and soul and for loving his
nieghbor more than his self. This is why he was the perfect sacrafice
when he entered the heavens and stood before Yahweh he was granted our
High Priests (our leader) and can intercede on our behalf directly to
Yahweh at any time.He was called the lamb of Yahweh. When he entered
Jerusalem it was even 4 days before the passover to be with all the
people before his death. What most people do not understand is if you
have a red lettered bible ( shows Yahshua's words) most of what is
recorded of what he said is when he entered Jerusalem. Going into be
with his family. Just as the lamb was brought in every year to each
families house to be played with and get used to before they had to kill
it for thier sins. Yahshua fullfilled this and you can see in the bible
how sad everyone was when this happened. After his ressurection. The
sacraficial system of atoning for your sins ended after the destruction
of the temple in 70ad just as Yahshua said it would. You see he showed
us what loving your nieghbor really is. laying down your life for your
friends. And what true worship of Yahweh is believing he is the one who
created everything and anything is possible through him. Yahshua did all
this and this is what made him perfect. Give all your Praise To Yahweh
the creator of the heavens and the Earth. Miles