Topic: Christians...Rush...Obama...
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Wed 04/08/09 08:56 AM
straight from the horses...uh...ah...uh...um...mouth...:smile:


Obama: One of the great strengths of the United States is, uhhh -- although as I mentioned, we have a very large Christian population, uh, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. Uhhh, we consider ourselves, uh, a nation of citizens who are, uh, bound by ideals and a set of values.

RUSH: Really? Okay. Now, I know a lot of people think that sounds good. "We're not a Christian nation. We're not a Jewish nation. We're not a Muslim nation, just like you. We are a nation... We consider ourselves a nation of citizens bound by ideals and a set of values." Well, okay, what ideals? You gotta ask. What ideals and set of values does this nation consider itself bound by? I would submit... (interruption) No, the United States. Not Turkey. I'm asking you about the United States. He's talking about the United States. We consider ourselves just like Turkey. He's trying to say we're not Christian or Jewish or Muslim.

We're a people bound by ideals and a set of values. It depends. If you want to call the Constitution, you know, "ideals and a set of values," then okay, but that is not how I would describe the United States. What "ideals"? Whose ideals are we bound by? If you listen to Obama, the ideals that he espoused on this trip to Europe are not those that are found in the Constitution of the United States. Whose values? When the people of Iowa uniformly reject gay marriage but the Supreme Court of Iowa unanimously says, "Screw you. We're going to make it legal," whose set of values triumph here, the values of a dictatorship (i.e., a court) or the values of the citizens? What are these values that bind us?

Talk to the people of California when any number of their propositions are overturned by judges on the basis that they're either unconstitutional, or the judge says, "The people don't know what they were doing. They're too stupid." Whose values here bind us? What ideals? If you want to talk about the ideal of the concept of individual liberty and freedom, okay, but that comes from the Constitution. It's why we are an exceptional country. This is one thing Obama wanted to attack. There's nothing exceptional about America. We're no different than you -- and, in the strict sense of DNA, he's right. A human being is a human being, no matter what where the human being is born.

We're no better. As human beings, we aren't created superior to anybody else in the world. But what is it? You can't deny the fact that this is the greatest nation on earth. In less than 300 years we have become the most powerful, the richest, the most prosperous, the most generous, the most organized-for-good group of people in the history of the planet. How did this happen? With the same shared ideals and values of Turkey? No! With the same shared and valued ideals of Cuba? No! With the same shared values and ideals of China? Of Russia? Of France? If we shared ideals and values identical to all these other places, we wouldn't be where we are and we wouldn't be who we were. But we are, for a while longer, who we are. We are, for a while, longer what we are.

I really believe this from the bottom of my heart. I think it does matter how you grow up. I think it does matter who your mentors are. I think it does matter who your political influences are, and there is no question that Obama's a product of his. As such, he views this nation as too large. It's a nation that deserves to be cut down to size. He views himself as he views much of the people of the rest of the world: discriminated against, stomped on, bullied by the United States of America -- and it's his objective to tell the rest of the world, "Those days are over. We're not going to storm around and steal the world's resources, to pollute and destroy the planet, as we pursue a standard of living that none of the rest of you have and that we deny you." He believes all this. So he's gonna cut us down to size -- and he's doing it in speeches and he's in the process of doing it in his policies.


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Wed 04/08/09 09:35 AM
Wow a man that actually acknowledges mistakes, a man that is inclusive, and wants the best for his country and the world. Wow, be better stop this guy, we might actually start caring about eachother. That could be dangerous.. Ugh!

rofl

Giocamo's photo
Wed 04/08/09 09:46 AM

Wow a man that actually acknowledges mistakes, a man that is inclusive, and wants the best for his country and the world. Wow, be better stop this guy, we might actually start caring about eachother. That could be dangerous.. Ugh!

rofl


huh ?...are you sure you read the post ?...

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Wed 04/08/09 09:54 AM


Wow a man that actually acknowledges mistakes, a man that is inclusive, and wants the best for his country and the world. Wow, be better stop this guy, we might actually start caring about eachother. That could be dangerous.. Ugh!

rofl


huh ?...are you sure you read the post ?...


Absolutely ever bit of it...

Giocamo's photo
Wed 04/08/09 10:01 AM
Edited by Giocamo on Wed 04/08/09 10:02 AM
Wow a man that actually acknowledges mistakes...translation...blame America...a man that is inclusive...translation...blame America... wants the best for his countryand the world....translation...blame religion...christians and Americans... Wow, be better stop this guy, we might actually start caring about eachother....caring about each other ?...laugh ...once again...it;s all about good intentions...regardless of the results...:wink:

Winx's photo
Wed 04/08/09 10:13 AM

Wow a man that actually acknowledges mistakes, a man that is inclusive, and wants the best for his country and the world. Wow, be better stop this guy, we might actually start caring about eachother. That could be dangerous.. Ugh!

rofl


That's downright scary.scared laugh

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 04/08/09 10:16 AM

Wow a man that actually acknowledges mistakes, a man that is inclusive, and wants the best for his country and the world. Wow, be better stop this guy, we might actually start caring about eachother. That could be dangerous.. Ugh!

rofl
laugh :thumbsup:

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Wed 04/08/09 10:19 AM

Wow a man that actually acknowledges mistakes...translation...blame America...a man that is inclusive...translation...blame America... wants the best for his countryand the world....translation...blame religion...christians and Americans... Wow, be better stop this guy, we might actually start caring about eachother....caring about each other ?...laugh ...once again...it;s all about good intentions...regardless of the results...:wink:


You have a limited point of view, it is not surprising you see it as you do and that Rush see's it the same way. Acknowledging ones mistakes is the first thing one does before them make a change. If you think America has never been guilty of causing it's own problems you might want to read history again. If you think Christianity has been a bright and shining example of brotherly love you again might want to read down through history again.

To pretend and boast of perfection is the most laughable thing one can do, because everyone see's right through it. I am not into pretending.


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Wed 04/08/09 10:21 AM
are you sure you read the post ?

Giocamo's photo
Wed 04/08/09 10:40 AM
Edited by Giocamo on Wed 04/08/09 10:45 AM
whats so funny is...N. Korea is firin' off missles when Obama's talking about disarming...Somalian pirates are hijackin' American ships...while the Obama administration is putting together a response...Iran is putting an American journalist on trial for spying...and...the black caucus is praising the Castros...all this and this guys running around blaming America and Israel..for everyone's ills...what a beautiful day in the neighborhood...:cry:

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Wed 04/08/09 11:20 AM

whats so funny is...N. Korea is firin' off missles when Obama's talking about disarming...Somalian pirates are hijackin' American ships...while the Obama administration is putting together a response...Iran is putting an American journalist on trial for spying...and...the black caucus is praising the Castros...all this and this guys running around blaming America and Israel..for everyone's ills...what a beautiful day in the neighborhood...:cry:


frustrated

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Wed 04/08/09 11:26 AM
spock

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Wed 04/08/09 04:20 PM
The biggest mistake he made on this trip was to call for Turkeys inclusion in the EU. Sarkozy and Merkel are rather skeptical to begin with, and to have him going around telling them what they should do flies in the face of his so called reconciliation. Wasn't part of his message during the entire trip that we weren't going to boss people around anymore? France is burning, and Obama wants unfettered access for muslims around the entire EU. What is he thinking?

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Wed 04/08/09 08:42 PM
Edited by Laura10 on Wed 04/08/09 08:43 PM



We're a people bound by ideals and a set of values. It depends. If you want to call the Constitution, you know, "ideals and a set of values," then okay, but that is not how I would describe the United States. What "ideals"? Whose ideals are we bound by? If you listen to Obama, the ideals that he espoused on this trip to Europe are not those that are found in the Constitution of the United States. Whose values? When the people of Iowa uniformly reject gay marriage but the Supreme Court of Iowa unanimously says, "Screw you. We're going to make it legal," whose set of values triumph here, the values of a dictatorship (i.e., a court) or the values of the citizens? What are these values that bind us? surprised scared

Talk to the people of California when any number of their propositions are overturned by judges on the basis that they're either unconstitutional, or the judge says, "The people don't know what they were doing. They're too stupid." Whose values here bind us? What ideals? If you want to talk about the ideal of the concept of individual liberty and freedom, okay, but that comes from the Constitution. It's why we are an exceptional country. This is one thing Obama wanted to attack. There's nothing exceptional about America. We're no different than you -- and, in the strict sense of DNA, he's right. A human being is a human being, no matter what where the human being is born.

We're no better. As human beings, we aren't created superior to anybody else in the world. But what is it? You can't deny the fact that this is the greatest nation on earth. In less than 300 years we have become the most powerful, the richest, the most prosperous, the most generous, the most organized-for-good group of people in the history of the planet. How did this happen? With the same shared ideals and values of Turkey? No! With the same shared and valued ideals of Cuba? No! With the same shared values and ideals of China? Of Russia? Of France? If we shared ideals and values identical to all these other places, we wouldn't be where we are and we wouldn't be who we were. But we are, for a while longer, who we are. We are, for a while, longer what we are.

I really believe this from the bottom of my heart. I think it does matter how you grow up. I think it does matter who your mentors are. I think it does matter who your political influences are, and there is no question that Obama's a product of his. As such, he views this nation as too large. It's a nation that deserves to be cut down to size. He views himself as he views much of the people of the rest of the world: discriminated against, stomped on, bullied by the United States of America -- and it's his objective to tell the rest of the world, "Those days are over. We're not going to storm around and steal the world's resources, to pollute and destroy the planet, as we pursue a standard of living that none of the rest of you have and that we deny you." He believes all this. So he's gonna cut us down to size -- and he's doing it in speeches and he's in the process of doing it in his policies. :cry:




Hi Gioflowerforyou

Thank God there is hope! We can pray for President Obama and for this great nation and trust that things will work out for good.:smile:

Giocamo's photo
Thu 04/09/09 07:53 AM




We're a people bound by ideals and a set of values. It depends. If you want to call the Constitution, you know, "ideals and a set of values," then okay, but that is not how I would describe the United States. What "ideals"? Whose ideals are we bound by? If you listen to Obama, the ideals that he espoused on this trip to Europe are not those that are found in the Constitution of the United States. Whose values? When the people of Iowa uniformly reject gay marriage but the Supreme Court of Iowa unanimously says, "Screw you. We're going to make it legal," whose set of values triumph here, the values of a dictatorship (i.e., a court) or the values of the citizens? What are these values that bind us? surprised scared

Talk to the people of California when any number of their propositions are overturned by judges on the basis that they're either unconstitutional, or the judge says, "The people don't know what they were doing. They're too stupid." Whose values here bind us? What ideals? If you want to talk about the ideal of the concept of individual liberty and freedom, okay, but that comes from the Constitution. It's why we are an exceptional country. This is one thing Obama wanted to attack. There's nothing exceptional about America. We're no different than you -- and, in the strict sense of DNA, he's right. A human being is a human being, no matter what where the human being is born.

We're no better. As human beings, we aren't created superior to anybody else in the world. But what is it? You can't deny the fact that this is the greatest nation on earth. In less than 300 years we have become the most powerful, the richest, the most prosperous, the most generous, the most organized-for-good group of people in the history of the planet. How did this happen? With the same shared ideals and values of Turkey? No! With the same shared and valued ideals of Cuba? No! With the same shared values and ideals of China? Of Russia? Of France? If we shared ideals and values identical to all these other places, we wouldn't be where we are and we wouldn't be who we were. But we are, for a while longer, who we are. We are, for a while, longer what we are.

I really believe this from the bottom of my heart. I think it does matter how you grow up. I think it does matter who your mentors are. I think it does matter who your political influences are, and there is no question that Obama's a product of his. As such, he views this nation as too large. It's a nation that deserves to be cut down to size. He views himself as he views much of the people of the rest of the world: discriminated against, stomped on, bullied by the United States of America -- and it's his objective to tell the rest of the world, "Those days are over. We're not going to storm around and steal the world's resources, to pollute and destroy the planet, as we pursue a standard of living that none of the rest of you have and that we deny you." He believes all this. So he's gonna cut us down to size -- and he's doing it in speeches and he's in the process of doing it in his policies. :cry:




Hi Gioflowerforyou

Thank God there is hope! We can pray for President Obama and for this great nation and trust that things will work out for good.:smile:


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