Topic: The Future of Religion
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Tue 04/07/09 11:14 AM
Edited by davidben1 on Tue 04/07/09 11:25 AM
wow, all these religions and not one word of untruth yet.

the human memory be the only thing that keep total peace and unity from humankind, which restrict all the data in the world from being rolled into one story, and this delimiter no human first knowingly made for itself???

it does appear mankind has been manipulated to create a reality, a plan, that is 100 billion times bigger than all the secret plans of human man itself???

how can one access all data, to make wise decisions, if it cannot retain all data in it's conscious mind???

each human thing is as a rat in a baby crib, a cage of delimited ability and insight, controlled in every essence by unseen forces, by things beyond itself, held captive to what it can remember at any second in time, tied and manipulated by the electromagentic pulses and gravity of the universe herself, and each other person's energy on the planet, all such added things added together into a collective energy, but at the same exact time, the human self must accept and take full responsibility for each thing it enteract with, and for each reaction, as if self indeed created it, seeing all it ever did or created as still the present "now", all as one piece of time still existing, deeming itself as the sole envoker and creater and power of all things ouside of itself, never seeing another outside of it's steel barred cage as making self do what it does???

this indeed seems to be the great paradox the human brain cannot grasp, nor accept, simply from not having any point of reference within itself to know how to, as two opposite states existing at the same time, the human logic has never known???

there are only two logic's available to human man, how all things outside effect self, or how self effect all things outside itself???

it is only the wiser logic first chosen by self, that free the human perception to collect all data, as from equal entities, from all living things outside of self, which good discovery from each discovered, freeing from the very delimited memory which bar any human thing from escaping the self prison, which only be limited memory and therefore limited data available???

there is nothing spoken in the universe, that was not spoken for a critical reason, but if the logic deem self as greater than many things, it cannot allow it's own brain to recieve the data it so need to reboot itself to freedom from the rat cage???

to think of truth or not truth, first create a divided logic, which will then still divide all data into two, which will then divide all people into "two groups" in the mind???

"they and self" as "two" different things, imprison the logic, so all spoken for a damn better reason than what self speak, open the perception to more, so the logic to more, than the perception has any point of reference to know even exist, and why anything, if it base all things on itself, and what itself alone think, or know, delimit itself???

just thoughts from reading this thread...

peace to peace










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Tue 04/07/09 01:18 PM
Edited by smiless on Tue 04/07/09 02:02 PM

wow, all these religions and not one word of untruth yet.

the human memory be the only thing that keep total peace and unity from humankind, which restrict all the data in the world from being rolled into one story, and this delimiter no human first knowingly made for itself???

it does appear mankind has been manipulated to create a reality, a plan, that is 100 billion times bigger than all the secret plans of human man itself???

how can one access all data, to make wise decisions, if it cannot retain all data in it's conscious mind???

each human thing is as a rat in a baby crib, a cage of delimited ability and insight, controlled in every essence by unseen forces, by things beyond itself, held captive to what it can remember at any second in time, tied and manipulated by the electromagentic pulses and gravity of the universe herself, and each other person's energy on the planet, all such added things added together into a collective energy, but at the same exact time, the human self must accept and take full responsibility for each thing it enteract with, and for each reaction, as if self indeed created it, seeing all it ever did or created as still the present "now", all as one piece of time still existing, deeming itself as the sole envoker and creater and power of all things ouside of itself, never seeing another outside of it's steel barred cage as making self do what it does???

this indeed seems to be the great paradox the human brain cannot grasp, nor accept, simply from not having any point of reference within itself to know how to, as two opposite states existing at the same time, the human logic has never known???

there are only two logic's available to human man, how all things outside effect self, or how self effect all things outside itself???

it is only the wiser logic first chosen by self, that free the human perception to collect all data, as from equal entities, from all living things outside of self, which good discovery from each discovered, freeing from the very delimited memory which bar any human thing from escaping the self prison, which only be limited memory and therefore limited data available???

there is nothing spoken in the universe, that was not spoken for a critical reason, but if the logic deem self as greater than many things, it cannot allow it's own brain to recieve the data it so need to reboot itself to freedom from the rat cage???

to think of truth or not truth, first create a divided logic, which will then still divide all data into two, which will then divide all people into "two groups" in the mind???

"they and self" as "two" different things, imprison the logic, so all spoken for a damn better reason than what self speak, open the perception to more, so the logic to more, than the perception has any point of reference to know even exist, and why anything, if it base all things on itself, and what itself alone think, or know, delimit itself???

just thoughts from reading this thread...

peace to peace












How true your words are wise friend. In the end it is the same story repeated over and over again, but only shifted in different directions.

Once we see that all religions have its roots from earlier minds that have additional stories added to it, we shall see we are all but humans with great imaginations, curiousities, and solutions that we as a individual finding fitting.

The question is will we as a human race ever identify with this and appreciate each other for the fact that we live to breathe air, eat and drink, and enjoy life to the best of our abilities?

or will we continue to go down the path of confusions, false identities, and negative energies. If this can be guided into a new direction is a obligation to each individual by accepting each other as equal. Not higher or lower and not below or above but the same respecting each and everyone one their privacy, emotions, and happiness and to help truly when needed.

If such actions become predominant then there maybe hope for the human race and if it doesn't happen then the Mother Earth will spin its usual rounds regardless if humans live on her or not as the chance was given at one time....... long long ago.

peace


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Tue 04/07/09 01:25 PM
And so we continue with the Hindu faith system.


In Hindu, Brahman is a word meaning spirit. It is considered to be the energy that keeps the universe going and is present in all things. It is said that it is impossible to describe, however the most widely accepted definition is "world soul" or "world spirit."

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Tue 04/07/09 01:33 PM
The Caste System for Hinduism

To some, Plato's Republic might have a relevance to the early Hindu doctrine of dividing society into groups, each of which had a role and a place. Brahmins were the priests; Kshatriyas were the warriors; Vaishyas were the merchants; and Shudra were the craftspeople. This division was the beginning of the Indian caste system. As it progressed into Indian society, the castes multiplied, encompassing a vast rane of occupations, rules, and traditions. The Laws of Manu (circa 100 C.E.) provide the text that explains all the complexities of this system. One's caste and one's station in life determines one's dharma, or life duty. Members of one cast would not socialize or trade with another. Certain professions were limited to certain castes. Intermarriage between members of different castes was not permitted.

Eventually, a group who called themsleves Dalit formed. Members of this caste did what we might call the dirty grunt work, the menial work, such as street cleanign and clearing away dead bodies, either human or animal. They became known as the "untouchables."

In 1950, a law was passed outlawing the pracice of "untouchability," nevertheless this group remains socially and economically the dregs of the caste system. It is said that some members of the caste deny that they are Hindus in an effort o overcome the stigma of Dalit.

Those who support the idea of the caste system argue that it provides a strong sense of belonging and identity.

more to come...

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Tue 04/07/09 01:37 PM

The Caste System for Hinduism

To some, Plato's Republic might have a relevance to the early Hindu doctrine of dividing society into groups, each of which had a role and a place. Brahmins were the priests; Kshatriyas were the warriors; Vaishyas were the merchants; and Shudra were the craftspeople. This division was the beginning of the Indian caste system. As it progressed into Indian society, the castes multiplied, encompassing a vast rane of occupations, rules, and traditions. The Laws of Manu (circa 100 C.E.) provide the text that explains all the complexities of this system. One's caste and one's station in life determines one's dharma, or life duty. Members of one cast would not socialize or trade with another. Certain professions were limited to certain castes. Intermarriage between members of different castes was not permitted.

Eventually, a group who called themsleves Dalit formed. Members of this caste did what we might call the dirty grunt work, the menial work, such as street cleanign and clearing away dead bodies, either human or animal. They became known as the "untouchables."

In 1950, a law was passed outlawing the pracice of "untouchability," nevertheless this group remains socially and economically the dregs of the caste system. It is said that some members of the caste deny that they are Hindus in an effort o overcome the stigma of Dalit.

Those who support the idea of the caste system argue that it provides a strong sense of belonging and identity.

more to come...
bigsmile Very interestingbigsmile

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Tue 04/07/09 02:03 PM


The Caste System for Hinduism

To some, Plato's Republic might have a relevance to the early Hindu doctrine of dividing society into groups, each of which had a role and a place. Brahmins were the priests; Kshatriyas were the warriors; Vaishyas were the merchants; and Shudra were the craftspeople. This division was the beginning of the Indian caste system. As it progressed into Indian society, the castes multiplied, encompassing a vast rane of occupations, rules, and traditions. The Laws of Manu (circa 100 C.E.) provide the text that explains all the complexities of this system. One's caste and one's station in life determines one's dharma, or life duty. Members of one cast would not socialize or trade with another. Certain professions were limited to certain castes. Intermarriage between members of different castes was not permitted.

Eventually, a group who called themsleves Dalit formed. Members of this caste did what we might call the dirty grunt work, the menial work, such as street cleanign and clearing away dead bodies, either human or animal. They became known as the "untouchables."

In 1950, a law was passed outlawing the pracice of "untouchability," nevertheless this group remains socially and economically the dregs of the caste system. It is said that some members of the caste deny that they are Hindus in an effort o overcome the stigma of Dalit.

Those who support the idea of the caste system argue that it provides a strong sense of belonging and identity.

more to come...
bigsmile Very interestingbigsmile


I think so too and there is more, but I take long coffee breakslaugh drinker

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Thu 04/09/09 07:03 AM
Edited by smiless on Thu 04/09/09 07:07 AM
Hello everyone! I took a day off snorkeling at the ocean. I was looking for some sunken treasure and found only a old coke bottlelaugh


We shall continue with Hinduism..

The Upanishads

The Upanishads record the wisdom of Hindu teachers and sages who were active as far back as 1000 B.C.E. The texts form the basis of Indian philosophy.

As they represent the final stage in the tradition of the Vedas, the teaching based on them is known as the Verdanta.

The philosophical thrust of the Upanishads is discerning the nature of reality. Other concepts dealt with include equating atman (the self) with Brahman (world-soul), which is fundamental to all Hindu thought; the nature of morality and eternal life; and the themes of transmigration of souls and causality in creation.

Various translations of the Upanishads were published in Europe during the nineteenth century. Though they are not the best of translations, they had a profound effect on many philosophical academics, including Arthur Schopenhauer.

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Thu 04/09/09 07:22 AM
The Bhagavad Gita

The Bhagavad Gita has been the exemplary text of Hindu culture for centuries. The sanskrit title has been interpreted as "Song of the Lord," which is a philosophical poem in the form of a dialog. Although it is an independent sacred text, it is also considered to be the sixth book in the Mahabbarata.

The Mahabbarata - the longest great Indian war epic poem - contains mythological stoires and philosophical questions. One the main story lines is the conflict between Yudhishthira, the hero of the poem, and his duty or dharma. The Bhagavad Gita's structure is in the form of a dialgo between two characters - Arjuna, the hero preparing to go into battle and Krishna, his charioteer. But, Krishna is not quite what he seems (in fact, he is divine, as the Hindu audience well knows).

Arjuna is characterized by not only his physical prowess but also his spiritual prowess, which involves a mystical friendship with Krishna. From the start, Arjuna knows that his charioteer is no ordinary mortal. The power of Krishna's divinity gradually unfolds in all its terrible glory, and Arjuna sees himself mirrored in the divine.

The following exchange from the Bhagavad Gita: Krishan's Counsel in Time of War (translated by Barbara Stoler Miller, Bantam Books) is taken form The Tenth Teaching, Fragments of Divine Power, 18-24.

Arjuna:

Recount in full extent
The disciple and power of your self
Krishna, I can never hear enough
Of your immortal speech

Lord Krishna:

Listen, Arjuna, as I recount
For you in essence
The divine powers of my self;
Endless is my extent.

I am the self abiding
In the heart of all creatures;
I am their beginning,
Their middle, and their end.

I am Vishnu striding among the sun gods,
The radiant sun among lights;
I am lightning among wind gods,
The moon among the stars.

I am the song in sacred lore;
I am Indra, king of the gods;
I am the mind of the senses,
The consciousness of creatures.

I am gracious Shiva among howling storm gods,
The lord of wealth among demigods and demons,
Fir blazing among the bright gods;
I am gold Meru towering over the mountains.

Arjuna, know me as the god's teacher,
Chief of the household priests'
I am the god of war among generals;
I am the ocean of lakes....




more to come...

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Thu 04/09/09 07:46 AM
Interesting note:

Such is the power of the Bhagavad Gita that writer/philosopher Henry David Thoreau took a copy with him to Walden Pond and made subsequent mention of it in his own works. The Bhagavad Gita is a complex piece of philosophical writing, and it has influenced almost all later developments in Hindu thought. The present text is thogut to be around 2000 years old.


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Thu 04/09/09 07:50 AM
Worship and Practices

Hindu worship is called puja and encompasses the ceremonial practices that take place in the home or in the temple. The majority of the worship is carried out in the home because Hinduism is part of life, so there are no special days for worship.

Any time is a time for worship. Puja is the daily expression of devotion. Veitually every home has a shrine with images of the gods and goddesses.

The ceremonial practices vary considerably accoring to sect, community, location, time of day, and requirements of the worshipper. An image of the worshipper's chosen deity is displayed in the home and accorded the honor that would be given to a royal guest.

The worship can be modest or elaborate depending on the circumstances. A daily puja might involve offerings of flowers, fruit, rice, incesne, sandalwood paste, and milk water.

If a puja is performed at a mealtime, food will be place at the shrine blessing it before it is consumed. Also included might be a circumambulation of the shrine in the home. The temple would probably have a path circling the shrine. In either case the worshippers chant their prayers as they walk.


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Thu 04/09/09 07:58 AM
Edited by smiless on Thu 04/09/09 07:58 AM
Calender of Religious Festivals

The Republic of India uses the Gregorian calender for its secular life. For its Hindu religous life, it uses the traditional Hindu calender, whic is based on a year of lunar months. The discrepancy between the years - 365 days (solar) and 354 days (lunar) - is resolved by intercalation of an extra month every thirty months. Each month is divided into a bright fortnight (two weeks) when the moon is waxing and a dark fortnight when it is waning.

It may come as no surprise that Hinduism has an extensive range of festicals both in India and throughout the rest of the world. Below are the nine major traditional religous festivals that are most widely observed and celebrated:

Mahashivaratri - celebrates the new moon night of every month, honoring the image of Shiva.

Sarasvati Puja - honors the goddess Sarasvati who is the patron of the arts of learning.

Holi - celebrates the grain harvest in India and also recalls the pranks Krishna played as a young man.

Rama Naumi - celebrates the birthday of the god Rama.

On Rata Yatra a huge image of the god Vishnu is placed on an enormous chariot and pulled through the streets.

Raksha Bandhan - is a ceremony of tying a rakhi ( a thread or band, made of silk or decorated with flowers).

Janmashtami - celebrates the birth of Krishna and his delivery from the demon Kansa.

Navaratri - honors the most important female deity, Durga, consort of Shiva.

Divali - the most widely celebrated festival - celebrates the return from exile of Rama and Sita.


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Thu 04/09/09 08:24 AM
Well there is alot more on Hinduism, but I think that will cover the basics. Check into your local library or type it on your webbrowser for more information.

Next up is "Buddhism".drinker

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Thu 04/09/09 08:27 AM
Edited by smiless on Thu 04/09/09 08:28 AM
BUDDHISM

The absolute aim of Buddhist worship and its practice is following and preserving the teaching of the Buddha. Now, this doesn't mean just following, it means living and doing. It means that Buddhists live their beliefs in everyday life.

Buddha is not a proper noun, it is a title. Therefore, it should always have an article before it: the Buddha, a Buddha. In Buddhist tradition, there have been many Buddhas in the past, as there will be many in the future. When the term "The Buddha" is used today, it's assumed to mean Buddha Gautama.


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Thu 04/09/09 08:42 AM

Well there is alot more on Hinduism, but I think that will cover the basics. Check into your local library or type it on your webbrowser for more information.

Next up is "Buddhism".drinker


From my limited research it appears that Hinduism is generally considered to be the oldest formal religion.

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Thu 04/09/09 09:24 AM
Edited by smiless on Thu 04/09/09 09:26 AM


Well there is alot more on Hinduism, but I think that will cover the basics. Check into your local library or type it on your webbrowser for more information.

Next up is "Buddhism".drinker


From my limited research it appears that Hinduism is generally considered to be the oldest formal religion.


It sure seems like it, but I am sure there were more belief systems that have existed at a even earlier time that have never been mentioned or written... lost forever.... buried under the Earth beyond anyones reach. What ashame they would have been interesting to see.

but yes some of the oldest if not oldest documents have been preserved by Hindus, which is a amazing task considering the wrecklessness of humans and conquerors throughout the centuries.

Just imagine if Alexander the Great would have managed to conquer India or Napolean would have swept through the continent. Would these writings still exist? The feeble minds of humans can be quiet destructive at times.

Also the Hindu's worshipped 33,333 deities! This means it was quiet a complex practice at its time. Today they only mention up to 33 deities, yet still only celeberate 9 main festivals.

It is amazing what the mind can produce isn't it and it is great information for my imaginative fantasy writings for the future.

May Vishnu endure in all of us as long as we deem to want it.drinker




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Thu 04/09/09 10:56 AM



Well there is alot more on Hinduism, but I think that will cover the basics. Check into your local library or type it on your webbrowser for more information.

Next up is "Buddhism".drinker


From my limited research it appears that Hinduism is generally considered to be the oldest formal religion.


It sure seems like it, but I am sure there were more belief systems that have existed at a even earlier time that have never been mentioned or written... lost forever.... buried under the Earth beyond anyones reach. What ashame they would have been interesting to see.

but yes some of the oldest if not oldest documents have been preserved by Hindus, which is a amazing task considering the wrecklessness of humans and conquerors throughout the centuries.

Just imagine if Alexander the Great would have managed to conquer India or Napolean would have swept through the continent. Would these writings still exist? The feeble minds of humans can be quiet destructive at times.

Also the Hindu's worshipped 33,333 deities! This means it was quiet a complex practice at its time. Today they only mention up to 33 deities, yet still only celeberate 9 main festivals.

It is amazing what the mind can produce isn't it and it is great information for my imaginative fantasy writings for the future.

May Vishnu endure in all of us as long as we deem to want it.drinker






Actually according to the Hindu scriptures, living beings are not apart from God, since He lives in each and every one of them in the form of atman(BG 10.39). Thus each living being is a unique manifestation of God. So that would put the number at 6,706,993,152 (July 2008 est.). drinker surprised

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Fri 04/10/09 06:42 AM
Edited by smiless on Fri 04/10/09 06:44 AM
Origins and Development of Buddhism

Scholars disagree about the date, but not the place, of the Buddha's birth. The place was in the kingdom of Sakyas, on the border of present day Nepal and India. The date was either around 448-368 or 563-483 B.C.E.

Regardless of the date, an amazing number of religions were active in the area. So, it should come as no surprise to learn that religions upheaval and turmoil were rampant.

Buddhism and Hinduism, although separate religions, share some basic beliefs while rejecting others. For example, they use many of the same words and concepts, such as atman (self or soul), yoga (union), karma (deed or task), and dharma (rule or law).

Buddhists and Hindus also have a common belief in reincarnation, however Buddhists do not accept the Vedic literature and rites or the caste system.

Buddha means "Awakened" or "Enlightened One." It was the title given to Siddhartha Gautama, the founder of Buddhism. The majority of Buddhists believe that there have been, and will be in the future, many other Buddhas. Some even claim that Jesus Christ was a Buddha.

Buddhism was mostly confined to India during its early existence. But during the third century B.C.E., Buddhist missionaries fanned out around the ancient world, Buddhism later spread to Sri Lanka, Tibet, Southeast Asia, China, and even Japan.

While Buddhism became well entrenched in places like Tibet, it fared less well in China and also. paradoxically, declined significantly in its home of India. During the twentieth century, the Chinese invasion of Tibet resulted in massive suppression of their homegrown version of Buddhism, while the war in Vietnam saw many of that countries temples and monasteries closed or destroyed.

To Buddhists, the idea of karma applies to the many wolrds that have passed away and the many more that are yet to come. They believe in the law of cause and effect: Positive actions build up merit (good karma), negative ones dethus increasing their good karma, Buddhists believe they will be reborn in a form that is more enlightened and, therefore, allows for the greater progress toward the ultimate goal - to be released from the law of karma altogether, in other words to attain nirvana.

Nirvana, the aim of a Buddhist's religious practice, is said to rid one of the delusion of ego or to free one from the claims of the mundane world. Compare this to the approach of Hinduism. Whereas the Hindu goal is to achieve the atman/Brahman identity, Buddhists teach the concept of anatman, no self. For them, all that exists is the Brahman, the universal soul, and understanding the Brahman brings enlightenment. Those who successfully achieve enlightenment overcome the round of rebirths, thus achieving the final goal.

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Wed 04/15/09 05:17 AM
What does "nirvana" mean?

The literal definition of the sanskrit word nirvana is "to extinguish," but its meaning in the practice of Buddhism is more subtle and far reaching. Nirvana is a state of perfect bliss, tranquility and freedom - as if the fires of worldly cares had been extinguished and supplanted by a cool clarity and sense of peace.


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Wed 04/15/09 05:26 AM
Central Beliefs of Buddhism

The central beliefs of Buddhism stem directly from the mind, life, and personality of its founder, the Buddha Gotama. His first teachings were not empty words; they needed attention and it says a lot for the power of the Buddha's personality that he was able to communicate such serious ideas with such positive results.

Individuals need to be aware of fundamental realities in order to find the path to enlightenment. These fundamental realities are the Four Noble Truths:

1. All life is suffering.
2. Suffering stems from desire.
3. There can be an end to desire.
4. The way is the Eightfold Path.

The basic underpinning of the Buddha's work recognizes that suffering is a universal feeling in people and offers a way to end suffering. But the process requires discipline, both in thought and action, because there is no value in thoughts alone unless they are carried through into positive actions. To obtain liberation from the misery in life, the Buddha said, requires purification that can be achieved by following the Eightfol Path. But the way is not easy; many Buddhists seek a learned teacher to help them.

The Eightfold Path:

1. Right views - knowledge and understanding of the Four Noble Truths

2. Right Aspirations - discarding desire and avoiding hurting others

3. Right Speech - telling the truth

4. Right Conduct - not stealing or cheating

5. Right livelihood - earning a living in a way that does not harm others

6. Right effort - thinking positively in order to follow the path

7. Right mindfulness - being aware of the effects of thoughts and actions

8. Right meditation - attaining a peaceful state of mind.

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Thu 04/16/09 05:37 AM
Literature

The teachings of Buddha were first transmitted orally from one monk or nun to another and eventually written down on palm leaf manuscripts in Sri Lanka to crate the Dhammapada. Written in Pali, the Indian dialect that the Buddh spoke, this text records the conversations of the Buddha and is acknowledged as a wonderful spiritual testimony, one of the very few religious masterpieces of the world.

Here is the way the Buddhist philosophy is expressed in the Dhammapada, Chapter 20, 1-3: The Way

The eightfold path is the best of ways.
The four noble truths are the best of truths.
Freedom from desire is the best of states.
Whoever is clear eyes and wise is the best of men.

This is the one and only way.
There is no other leading to the purity of vision.
Follow this path;
This bewilders Mara, the tempter.

Following this path, you shall put an end to suffering.
Having myself realized the way that can lead to removal
Of the thorns of defilements,
I have shown it to you.


The Dhammapada has been used in Sri Lanka for centuries as a manual for novices; it is said that every monk can recite it from memory. It is also popular in both Theravada and Mahayana traditions.

Other written Buddhist works also contian records of conversations the Buddha had when he was taching. Three such works were gathered into a Tripitaka or "Three Baskets," so called because the palm leaf manuscripts were kept in three woven baskets.