I am not a believer of any gods, I was just making a point, but that still does not mean we are not subservient to our biological programming. Given the right knowledge and capabilities one could study a persons biology, the chemistry that makes them unique and understand the chemical reactions that would take place given a specific scenario (which boil down to the addition of specific chemicals in varying amounts). We are long ways from the technology to do so, but we are all just chemical reactions. Life the universe and everything can be reduced down to chemical reactions, reactions to the addition of other chemicals or the reactions to the forces of universe (gravity).

If you look at Timothy Leary's original work for which he got his post at Harvard, our personalities are what draws things into our lives. I think he had a good book out on it, summarizing his work and his personality wheel diagnostic tool, which was used in prisons for assessments for over thirty years (which by the way aided him in his escape as they assessed him with his own tool and he purposefully answered in a way that ensured minimum security).

I realize you are not a believer in any Gods. I was also making a point. That point being that we are not at the mercy or subservient to anything unless we choose to be.

Our biological and automatic and learned programing is in place because we put it there through our process of learning, growing, thinking and evolving.

We do not boil down to 'chemical reactions.' I disagree with this dim and depressing dead-end conclusion to what and who we are.

We are thinking centers and as thinking centers of a higher order, we have created this holographic projection that we call "reality" just as we create our dreams. With our thoughts.

Infinity is the key to the structure of the universe. What you call "real" is a projection of light and sound.

I understand your point, not ready to completely accept it yet. Do you believe anybody exists outside of ourselves or are others just part of our holograms? If reality is just a self-controlled and contrived hologram, why do we have such little control over it?

We actually have a great deal of control over our personal realities. Our subconscious mind directs our attention to that which we deem is important. (Law of attraction as it is called)

We deem something 'important' when we think about it. The reason it appears we have no control over our reality is because we have not yet learned to take control of our thoughts and feelings.

What we don't have control over are other people's manifestations because we can't control their thoughts or feelings.

We cannot manifest things for other people or where other people are involved in the creation or manifestation of a thing, we may play only a small part.

You asked:
"Do you believe anybody exists outside of ourselves or are others just part of our holograms? "

Yes, other people exist here, most definitely!

In fact, the only thing I count as "real" in this holographic matrix is other "thinking centers." (which includes all other living thinking entities)

Things and creatures of lower conscious levels exist also and they also play their roll in the creation and structure of this reality. This includes rocks and trees and animals etc. But all of these things (material) are all projections of the universal mind. They all are in the process of gathering information to form what will be a higher thinking center as they too evolve.

Reality is not what you see, it is what manifests what you see.

Thanks for sharing. I don't buy it, but it was interesting hearing you ideas. If reality is the hologram you say it is, how do you explain the uniformity everyone's realities. If ask you to show me a picture of an apple, chances are what you show me will be recognizable to me as a apple. If we each create our own reality, isn't just as likely that you would show me a picture of what I recognize as a car?

The answer to the last question is no. We live in a reality where we all have agreed to call an apple an apple. We share this reality(matrix) and many of the agreements within this reality.

Like attracts like. Our frequency range, (like frequency ranges in different radio signals) are all within a certain range that allows us to share the same holographic matrix.

An interesting book to read about the holographic model of reality is "The Holographic Universe."

(P.S. You don't have to "buy" it. I'm not selling it. I just think the evidence points to this model. It's just my opinion/ conclusion until something better presents itself.)

It may soon be discovered by science if they keep trying to find the ultimate building block of matter, the particle and they end up not finding it, or finding something else.

That will be interesting.

Have done any reading of quantum physics? That can screw around with your sense of reality.

Of course.

each human is a pool ball on a table, being forced into another by self preservation drive, and the one that decides itself can and is doing whatever it wants, at all times, gets to decide what happens when it is forced into another ball???

if one first believe, that all feedback coming to self from environment, is accurate, and no other is incorrect in what it return to self, in words and actions, then this one free to see all the FREE WILL ITSELF HAS???

it is but the denying of other's as speaking true reality, that diminish the self reality to feeling imprisoned, and having no free will???

anything is able to see the data itself has, but cannot "connect", until it's own logic is great enough to connect it, as the dots and picture is TOO BIG, to connect with self data as true alone???

anything that see all other data, as actually more worthy than self data, in short time gets to see how itself is calling the shots for self, AND, then it will call the balls for all other balls as well, that are still blaming other balls for what itself is and has become???

whoa...

even saying someobdy else is calling the shots for self is apalling to the emotions???

but logic goes past emotions???

each one is calling the shots for the other???

sure, each has AN ACTION, THAT EFFECT THE NEXT???

so, the one that deem other's reaction as perfect, soon see how this works, which was in the beginning the meaning fo the saying to "forgive", not as some dumb commandment, but HOW TO HOLD POWER???

HOW TO HAVE FREEDOM???

HOW TO HAVE AND HOLD MORE FREE WILL???

not misssed many things have been spoken, and spoken from a "commandment perspective', which is from FEAR PERSPECTIVE ALONE, which is but perceiving these things as such???

since self pop into the "pool table", full of racing and darting balls, all going in all different directions, it is the natural inclination to see self as trapped, and as but a response to all environment, BUT WHO IS CREATING ALL THAT EXIST???

no different, THAT SELF WAS LET OUT INTO A MAZE, with billions of other mice, and the mouse that GETS THE CHEESE FIRST, IS THE ONE THAT DEEM NO OTHER FEEDBACK AS INCORRECT???

IS NOT THE OTHER JUST AS SELF???

but, self always find in it's own favor, lol...

but, when self first start finding in OTHER'S FAVOR, in fact, this time period is stated in many writing as 3 months to do this, and self is freed to see what is right in front of it's face, lol...

self naturally think so many are less than itself, actually most all, or it would heed other's words as JUST AS IMPORTANT AS IT'S VERY OWN, LOL???

each is not smartet, each is not less, each is not better, or self gets dumber and blinder each second???

can i say that, lol...

we each just have DIFFERENT DATA???

anything that come to self ear seen as destiny, AS TOTAL TRUE, IS FREEDOM!!!

this way, the more data that self aquire, it free itself from it's own "percieved prison", or as a child stuck within the confines of a human crib, and this is directly proportionate to the amount of data self LET INTO THE BRAIN???

what does self let into the brain???

only what feels good at first, when little, but this left out MUCH!!!

works for a while, lol???

many would dispute this i know, but only what is still enjoying a partial reality, seeing all things as how they "effect self" would, but the HUGE REALITY SEEN, IS SIMPLY HOW SELF EFFECT ALL OTHER THINGS IT TOUCH, AND THIS CAN NEVER BE UNLESS OTHER WORDS ARE AT FIRST SEEN AS MORE IMPORTANT AND TRUE AND REAL THAN ANY WORDS SELF HAS???

simply because this is the ONLY thing keeping self only seeing OUT TWO EYE'S, which become a SMALL PORTAL???

a sad portal indeed it can become.

these things cause self to run out of fuel in due time, feeling trapped, so self has but one option, to rewind it's own self, to reboot itself, and go back, and pick up all the data it ignored, all the data that only gave it "half data", as only deeming what data self "wished" to believe???

everything self "believe", is what it think is true, and what it think is true, comes to be only the opposite of what it prove as false, which this way, soon it appears all is really false, or just subjective???

how can this "feeling" be true, as we are all REAL???

total sight, and how to GET OUT, is from all words as equal, and none denied, as who IS SELF, and HOW is self more right than the next one???

but, the first natrual reaction is but to believe most in self alone, which is totally illogical???

two eye's, having seen one life, up to any second, better than all other eye's???

dosen't even make common sense???

but what is common sense, but what is agreed as common to all???

what is coommon to all except what is agreed it true???

what is real except what all see???

except what all speak then that they see, and seeing in induced BY FEELING FIRST, SO TO DEEM A FEELING OF ANOTHER AS FALSE, and not really good, and for no reason of self, is to NOT SEE IN TIME???

it just happen so slowly, like boiling a frog alive, that self can't see it until at the end of the field of SELF DREAMS???

JUST THE WAY IT WAS UNIVERSE CREATED IT TO BE???

forget god if one wish, it makes no difference???

how DOES ENVIRONMENT WORK, HOW IS THE UNIVERSE MADE???

is it not said also that "god" made all the universe???

all all "gods" principle of creation are "never changing"???

one could argue god all day long, BUT ONE LIE IF IT SAY IT BELIEVE WHAT IT DOES NOT, WHICH IS A GREATER SIN, LOL???

WHAT IS BELIEVED IS WHAT IS SEEN AS LOGICAL, AND NOTHING CAN REJECT WHAT IT DOES NOT SEE ITSELF AS LOGICAL???

and what in the world, could first think, that if there as a god, that is said to know and be in perfect control of WHAT IS GOING ON, NOTHING TOO MUCH OUT OF WACK, AS IT DID INDEED SAY IT WOULD NATRUALLY FIRST "APPEAR" MUCH WAS OUT OF WACK???

reality is god, real is god, what happen each second is god, as how can it be false, or not real, if it has happened???

it makes no difference how it is cut or diced???

it is only dening what self does not wish to be true, and only trying to disprove all the words heard, and not liked, as not true, taht create ANY VEIL BETWEEN ANYTHING CALLED GOD AND MAN, AS THEY ARE ONE IN THE SAME???

it is totally inconsistent, to think self is "truth", and almost all things in the world are not???

thats what the natural inclination lead to???

so self has left out much data, that it needed to find it's way out of the maze???

which is the very reason for the way the universe is devised, to create a place, with all doing what itself want at all times, which make it appear that each is restricted, and it is, only allowed to CREATE WHAT ITSELF HAS ENOUGH WISDOM TO HANDLE???

anything that see itself as having the most power, and totally responsible for all things that IT DOES, AND THAT HAPPEN TO SELF, GETS THE POWER, OF AND FOR AND OVER ALL, BECAUSE ONLY THIS ONE WILL NOT USE IT FOR ITSELF ALONE, AND NOT HARM WITH IT, AND ONLY USE IT TO CREATE GOOD FOR ALL???

to learn to become a creator, as an adult god, as surely it is seen each is creating it's own reality, by all it's words and reactions each day???

but not really, it does not "feel" like that at all, at first, lol...

all to come to see, what self really WANT, not what it HAS TO DO, as self HAS TO DO NOTHING???

it can stab itself in the chest and stop it's own heart???

it can destruct itself ANYTIME IT WANT???

it can hold it's breath until it die???

so SELF DOES HAVE FREE WILL DO ANYTHING "IT WANT"???

what self WANT, is the total essence of FREE WILL???

is there ULTIMATE FREE WILL, TO DO SOMETHING, WITHOUT A "REACTION" GOING TO COME BACK FROM ALL SELF TOUCH???

NO???

and this make self in time, come to have to learn how to be a creator, or itself is overwhelmed by environment, which rightfully so, feel SO MUCH BIGGER THAN SELF, because IT IS, self being 1 in 6.7 billion ratio to what true enviornment, or reality really is???

self in itself, is at first no different than a primative cave man, tasting, smelling, hearing, touching, seeing, each thing that register the the "senses", and inspecting for what it can provide for self, sure, it learns as time goes one, to give back what is need to get for self, but still always thinking and surmizing in self favor, and for self???

so, this make it throw many things to the ground, as not good, tasting bad, many words, many other's sometimes, if they meet not what self expect, which it totally based upon some presumption that all things "worth" is basded on how and what it do for self???

it is only in doing this, for self alone, envoked once from not knowing, from self preservation, thinking from sun up to sun down, first about self in each second and moment, that runs out of steam, as designed, to allow self to have a chance to try and taste many different things, but, still having done ALL THINGS ALL BY ITSELF, with total free will in the present environment, to bring to the sight, of what it really always wanted, more than anything else???

a small silent wish, and just a proposal you might say, but what self really wanted most was for all other things to have no pain, no unhappiness???

and then......

self bust out of fear, a self preservation fear for itself, and see, if all things in this world, were given to self, on command from itself, snapping it' fingers, would it really satisfy self???

why does a man most, only get satisfaction, if he is SURE he please a women???

why does a man base what itself give, on the RESPONSE???

because that is really what itself really seek for most???

is is concurrent in all human things, IT WANTS APPROVAL???

but it does not base the FEEDBACK of approval as REAL???

DOES NOT HOLD ANY LOGIC???

a proposal perhaps at this point, but what any true self really want, is for what it loves to be happy, more than it ever wanted itself to be happy???

then, self never run out of steam, and is never depressed, and never feels trapped, and never feels as though it has no free will, and for each one it give freedom to, self gets back that amount of "freedom feeling" for itself, and for each amount of "confidence" it find in another, it get the "confidence feeling" back for itself, and for each one self provide happiness for, it get that amount of "happiness feeling" back for itself, and since there are 6.7 billion, the total capacity of feeling, become that same number, which far outweight the happiness one can find or afford itself, as now, it is drawing from the infinite poole, of the universe itself, and so now is aligned with the universe herself, which gives to each sun, and rain, and heat, and comfort, and food, and all things needed, and ask not back one thing from anything???

and the whole thing started, by just accepting other's words as equally intelligent to self, hard???

but only for a short time, and a few people, that the universe itself send self to, by feeling, as a "law of nature", that dictate the "rules of the game", send self back to what it never wished to hear any bad of itself from, and only questioned those that spoke their reality to self, and all things become reconnected to greater reality than ever was before???

it is not that self is EVER WRONG, but more, that unless self actually "trick itself", into first thinking and holding to itself as wrong, IT WILL NEVER ACTUALLY HEAR WHAT IT NEEDS FROM OTHER'S, to get the DATA THAT IT NEEDS, and the words of all others, as equal, do SHOW how to create, even what physical hands cannot, but then that goes beyond the simple reality, lol???

for those that do believe in god, and once heard all were "children of god", as what is a child, except what is learning what itself NEEDS TO KNOW, TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THE POWER OF BEING AN ADULT GOD???

for those that believe in god, that is why each is here???

how can self have POWER TO CREATE "ANYTHING IT WANT", if it still see not it's EFFECT ON OTHER'S???

why, self would create a large tower, and if it fall over, blame it on the person walking under the tall when it fell, lol???

all environmental feedback is perfect, lead anything to SEEING ALL IT'S FREE WILL AND POWER, IN JUST A SHORT TIME, as if "their" feedback is not correct, then how can self even justify accessing it's own as correct???

totally inconsistent, and it is but to fix this ONE thing, that lead to all good things, even beyond what self can imagine, as it has not seen them yet, so how can it know???

???

nothing has ever felt the total happiness possible, nor the total freedom possible, nor the total peace possible, nor the total love possible, or the total no fear possible, so does not self, at the moment it say it has, restrict itself to what can become???

this in itself restrict self from seeing and believing, and seeing how to create it ALL IT WISH, as this partial logic of only what self know as possible, only deem what is possible based on yesterday, so only yesterday can be created, and yesterday in time, just has no appeal.

sorry for the rant, lol...

just ignorance of one fools reality...

peace to peace to peace