ok here is the situation. Cps worker shows up at door. Obviously I
dont want him in cause I am in process of changing the house around and
what not after two waterline breaks. He says "you dont have to let me
in but I will sit here, call police.... take kids away right now."
how much of this is the truth? andhow much of it is bluff? First of
all, to my knowledge cps and police still need a warrant to enter
without my permission (without obvious reasons apparent from without,
which they did nto have. It was literall, him standign in front of
porch, me in doorway talking through window. He telle me let him in or
he calls police and they take the children away now. No warrant no
nothing. He also telles me that if someone intentionally slanders me
again, waiting for a day like otday when house is being moved around,
even if it is obvious things are being moved around, he will take the
kids period.
Can anyone help?

If I were you Id call the police on them the next time they show up at
your door. Tell the police they are harrassing you.
Get the house in order-MI is nasty when it comes to this sort of
thing.Good luck!

U need to move if things dont change. Depending upon how bad dictates
how far. Get a po box. Consult numerous lawyers.

moving is not the answer guys, as your file is netioannly accessible.
when a cps angency gets a call, it is put on national records. This is
one of the background checks done forcertain jobs, especially those
involving kids. I happento agree withthe idea too, but for me it can be
a pin.

My first thought, is why is CPS showing up at your door?

Have you done something or has someone complained?

what is happening pucks is I have two neighbors who both believe you
shuld let your children do whatever they want whenever they want with no
discipline, they have outright stated this to me, and not in a joking
manner as I damn near had to call the cops for the one neighbor, who
tried to get in between me and my son when my son went around the block
by himself (he is 6 years old). I yelled for my son, told him to get
his happy little butt back in the yard and to put his bike away ashe was
now grounded from it, and the neighbor decided I was being abusive. Yes
someone called, claimed i was being abusive, beating, swearing,
belittling you name it. They made sure to call when it was widely known
that I was cleaning up my kitachen from a waterline break (2 of them
actually) and the house would be a mess and claimed the house was dirty
and unfit.
Well duh yes the house WAS dirty from me moving stuff around to clean up
the original mess.

Think I'd be talking to an attorney ASAP. Know exactly what I can do
LEGALLY.

first ask why are they there and reasons for being there. hire a lawyer.
if the police dont have a warrant tell them to screw themselves.

I went ahead and let him in as far as my entryway today, and that was
it. Tomorrow, wether he has a warrant or not I will be waiting with my
old school tape recorder (designed to record speaches from up to thirty
feet away ). I am going to lead the coversation back through
everythig said today and get him to repeat it while on tape, and then I
am going to give a copy of said tape to the da. And then we take it
step by step from there.
Needless to say I am sick and tired of the bull**** of having to deal
with cps every month simply cause the lady next door is offended because
I haev custody of my kids and my ex doesnt. Oh, speaking of which she
came out and verified it for me today that she is the one that called.
If not, then she was definitely involved with the call cause she knew
about it taking place and what it was that was reported.

not sure about your state, daniel...but here, they can come in if they
choose, and they can take your kids if you don't let them in. they have
MUCH more lee-way than law enforcement...all she/he would have to do is
call a judge and they would get an immediate order for temporary custody
to the state.

thats just it hun, no matter what state your in (and I am sure that what
you said actually does happen, bit it doesnt mean it is legal), the cps
worker can NOT enter the house without your permission unless they have
a signed warrant and are accompanied by a police officer (the officer is
who willa ctually remove the child from the home).

Daniel

My father is a lawyer here in Arkansas specializing in this type of
thing . Ill have him read your posts and see if he can offer some advice
.
Goodluck .

thanks hun, but I am in ichigan so he can not legally say anything other
than to contact a michigan lawyer

I dont want you to sk him to do something he would havt to telly ou no
on or get in trouble for doing. But I appreciate the offer anyway.

daniel..... cps is exactly for people like you...hope they keep a
strong eye on ya!!


why does this story not surprise me???

and all your veteran injuries and poor me attitude sitting behind the
computer, and 'i deserve more' because i killed for my great
country.... and you prolly do abuse your children and are fanatically
one of those spare the rod spoil the child parents...and most likely
think you can still justify it here....

i don't feel sorry for you , and you do need help , but the cps
hopefully will see to it and your good neighbors...


ugh

I went to another thread, and... yup, same one...

I don't know enough about you to say one way or another. I do know I had
my own battles to fight, and just f*cking did it, and won.

You ask about this, and it seems the guy knows you, so there must be
questions, yes?

Regardless of my own nightmare... they services are there to protect the
kids. And, I know of many filthy houses whom kids run around all the
time, and noone takes the kids away...

Would the person NOT know the place would be a mess after what you
claim? So what! Let them in. Looks worse by refusing to cooperate.

I'm surprised with the neighbors you have that you haven't taken them to
court... since anyone can sue for any damned thing now...

daniel48706 in many states it is illegal to tape a convo with out all
parties knowing about it, to cover your ass, put up a sign in the entry
way of your home saying that there is a chance ppl entering your home
may be video tapped or voice recorded... other wise it may be no good to
you, your not in court no one has been sworn in, and it is not illegal
to lie... So the worker can lie all theyt want make any promices they
want, and nver keep them

daniel whatever it is then please stop. I think you know what i am sayin
here shugar. NO you dont have to let cps inside unless they have a
warrant. BUT its best to let them in. You have a right to ask what the
allegations ARE prior to opening that door for entry. Do i know about
cps. BIG SIGH! YOU BET I DO! Had them at my door a few years ago. And
another time when a neighbor was mad at me. I got on the phone as soon
as they banged on my door. My lawyer said LET THEM IN AND COOPERATE. I
did. The hassles AND UNWARRANTED BOGUS ALLEGATIONS were proven. Sadly
its good parents that get hassled and the ones who really NEED
PROTECTION? HA HA HA!! Thats a JOKE! It IS LEGAL to record the
conversations and i suggest you do so if the CPS worker is making
THREATS. GREAT AMMO FOR COURT. ITS DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE.

OH! and daniel the last time they came to my house the cop that
accompanied the CPS worker? CHEWED HER ARSE BUT GOOD. The cop knows me.
ROTFLMAO!!!