if the God of the Old Testament was ever debunked as myth would that automatically make Christianity debunked by extension?

(I ask because some christians tell me that they ignore the old testament and focus on jesus's teachings)

What is the new without the old?

You would think that if you were a true christian, you'd believe in both the Old, and New Testament. JMO

After seeing you in your helmet...I felt "necked" without mine...so, I put mine on...now all feels right again!

me thinks we should start a animal-helmet-anonynous for our problem

If the OT god was ever proven to be non-existent, beyond a shadow of a doubt, I think it would do more then affect Christianity, since all 3 major monotheistic religions share common roots..

You have a problem...scoot over here and tell me all about it!

i ask specifically because i was in a discussion with one of my christian friends the other day, who was trying to "save my soul", and each and every time i brought up my concerns about old testament passages which quite obviously no god would have anything to do with, he kept telling me that christianity is about the new testament and that i should ignore the old testament.

so my response was to say that if i cannot believe the god of the old testament was anything more than a made up story... then how can i believe that jesus christ was his son?

at which point my friend declared me stubborn, my soul a lost cause and said he will never discuss religion with me again.

... and i was left perplexed...

hey i'm the one studying to be a counsellor, how about you come and tell me about it lol

You got me there...good comeback! But I still think that if we are not to believe in the Old, then why the New. I would think they would go hand-in-hand. JMO

the old is old the new is new yes?

Yes...but why not hand-in-hand...one to compliment the other.

indeed

but....

i still don't get it...

Not sure if this will relieve some of the confusion, but it's my understanding that the Old Testament was written before the birth of Jesus. The New Testament was written after the birth of Jesus.

i know but... ah well

i guess i never will get it...

thanks anyway

No problem...anytime...wish you well, in your quest for the answer. Later - enjoyed it!

'night

It seems to me that many Christians like to do that. I have talked to some who say that the bible needs to be taken literally, and then I would bring up one of "those" passages, then they would say "those" passages are just a story...

It's a circular argument...

The Old Testament is the history of the creations of YAHWEH, (Of which mankind is meant to be the crown jewel) and how GOD interacted with mankind until the coming of Messiah.

The writings tell of the struggle between Mankind and GOD...

Mankind, made in the Spiritual image of GOD, let envy and the desires of his heart get between him and GOD...

Since GOD is SPIRIT, therefore invisible to the eyes of mankind, many don't ever get it.

JESUS, The Messiah (The Anointed One) was born as mankind, but bears The Spirit of His Father, YAHWEH.

As to OT laws, there are only TEN that Christians are required to live under, that is; The Ten Commandments given to the chil;dren of Israel:

The Book of Exodus 20:3-17

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

13 Thou shalt not kill.

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15 Thou shalt not steal.

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

*The rest of The Law was added, because the Israelites could/would not understand the meanings of The Ten Commandments.


Jesus, The Messiah explained OT Law in this manner:

The book of Matthew 22:35-40

35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


The OT should be used as a guideline for study in The NT, much like our American History books are used in school.

there is no reason for you to take his perplexion upon yourself, as if he knew what he was talking about, he would never say what he knows nothing of, and only try to convince himself, by finding something that will believe what he says...

if there is any truth, and wisdom of god, the only evidence one need look for, is what is spoken come to pass, in the here and now...

rest your soul, as such is jibberish of the self professed holy, that shall be last to taste of anything that is good...

peace