Topic: Bull$hit Odor!
Lynann's photo
Thu 02/19/09 11:13 AM
This article touches on a pet peeve of mine. People who move to the country, build a large expensive house next to a farm then get upset because it smells like a farm?

Many states have right to farm statutes. Michigan is one of them. Looks like Pennsylvania is trying to address the smell issue with new regulations but let's be honest here. How stupid do you have to be to build a house in the country next to a farm and not expect an odor?

If the farmer is there first my call is tough nuts to the homeowner!

Farms must control odor
New rules aim to help farms' neighbors
By RICHARD FELLINGER

Harrisburg Bureau
Posted: 02/18/2009 01:00:00 AM EST

New state odor regulations aimed at keeping the peace between big farms and their neighbors take effect next week.

The rules will force farms known as CAFOs, or concentrated animal feeding operations, to get state approval for an odor-management plan for a new or expanded barn or manure-storage facility. The regulations will not affect existing farm buildings.

The new rules are especially im portant with increasing sprawl in farm communities, Agriculture Secretary Dennis Wolff said.

"These new regulations are geared to help minimize conflict be tween those not accustomed to farm odors and the agricultural producers working to meet our increasing world food needs," Wolff said in a news release.

The regulation will require new or expanding CAFOs to submit a plan to the state from a certified odor-management specialist. The State Conservation Commission will review and decide whether to approve each plan.

If a project is likely to affect the farm's neighbors, the plan must include strategies for managing the odor, such as a sanitation regimen, ventilation system or composting plan.

The regulations are backed by the Pennsylvania Farm Bureau, a farm advocacy group, but individual farmers have different opinions.

Lebanon County farmer Bonnie Wenger said she's concerned about how much the rules will cost farmers. She also questioned whether the new rules will result in meaningful changes, saying many farmers don't want to offend their neighbors.

"It's definitely an issue. It's going to mean more cost to the farmer in the end," Wenger said.

Franklin County farmer Stanley Burkholder said he has mixed feelings about the rules. He said more regulation and paperwork detract from the daily work a farmer has to do, but also said he wants to work with his neighbors.

"I've often said we need the consumer as bad as the consumer needs us," Burkholder said.

The farm bureau worked with state officials to draft the regulations in a way that does not present a major burden for farmers, farm bureau spokesman Mark O'Neill said.

The management plan will cost about $1,200, not including fans and ventilation systems, O'Neill estimated.

"We know it's going to cost a little more, but we feel it was important to take a good- neighbor approach," O'Neill said.

The regulations were called for in a 2005 law dubbed ACRE, and state officials have been working on drafting and finalizing them since then.

NEW REGULATIONS

# Farmer must submit a plan to the state from a certified odor-management specialist

# State Conservation Commission will review and decide whether to approve each plan

# Projects likely to affect farm's neighbors must include strategies for managing odor, such as cleaning regimen or ventilation system

# Regulations take effect Feb. 27

# Only affect new or ex panding CAFO buildings


boredinaz06's photo
Thu 02/19/09 11:21 AM




people Do Crap like that Here too. Build Near or Move Near the Base or Airport then Whine about the noise. or Build near an existing Gun Range and Complain about Noise and Safety, How big of a Dip Sh!t does one have to be to do Such a thing?

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 02/19/09 11:24 AM

This article touches on a pet peeve of mine. People who move to the country, build a large expensive house next to a farm then get upset because it smells like a farm?

Many states have right to farm statutes. Michigan is one of them. Looks like Pennsylvania is trying to address the smell issue with new regulations but let's be honest here. How stupid do you have to be to build a house in the country next to a farm and not expect an odor?

If the farmer is there first my call is tough nuts to the homeowner!

Farms must control odor
New rules aim to help farms' neighbors
By RICHARD FELLINGER

Harrisburg Bureau
Posted: 02/18/2009 01:00:00 AM EST

New state odor regulations aimed at keeping the peace between big farms and their neighbors take effect next week.

The rules will force farms known as CAFOs, or concentrated animal feeding operations, to get state approval for an odor-management plan for a new or expanded barn or manure-storage facility. The regulations will not affect existing farm buildings.

The new rules are especially im portant with increasing sprawl in farm communities, Agriculture Secretary Dennis Wolff said.

"These new regulations are geared to help minimize conflict be tween those not accustomed to farm odors and the agricultural producers working to meet our increasing world food needs," Wolff said in a news release.

The regulation will require new or expanding CAFOs to submit a plan to the state from a certified odor-management specialist. The State Conservation Commission will review and decide whether to approve each plan.

If a project is likely to affect the farm's neighbors, the plan must include strategies for managing the odor, such as a sanitation regimen, ventilation system or composting plan.

The regulations are backed by the Pennsylvania Farm Bureau, a farm advocacy group, but individual farmers have different opinions.

Lebanon County farmer Bonnie Wenger said she's concerned about how much the rules will cost farmers. She also questioned whether the new rules will result in meaningful changes, saying many farmers don't want to offend their neighbors.

"It's definitely an issue. It's going to mean more cost to the farmer in the end," Wenger said.

Franklin County farmer Stanley Burkholder said he has mixed feelings about the rules. He said more regulation and paperwork detract from the daily work a farmer has to do, but also said he wants to work with his neighbors.

"I've often said we need the consumer as bad as the consumer needs us," Burkholder said.

The farm bureau worked with state officials to draft the regulations in a way that does not present a major burden for farmers, farm bureau spokesman Mark O'Neill said.

The management plan will cost about $1,200, not including fans and ventilation systems, O'Neill estimated.

"We know it's going to cost a little more, but we feel it was important to take a good- neighbor approach," O'Neill said.

The regulations were called for in a 2005 law dubbed ACRE, and state officials have been working on drafting and finalizing them since then.

NEW REGULATIONS

# Farmer must submit a plan to the state from a certified odor-management specialist

# State Conservation Commission will review and decide whether to approve each plan

# Projects likely to affect farm's neighbors must include strategies for managing odor, such as cleaning regimen or ventilation system

# Regulations take effect Feb. 27

# Only affect new or ex panding CAFO buildings






bigsmile Thanks for informing me of thatflowerforyou

no photo
Thu 02/19/09 11:34 AM

This article touches on a pet peeve of mine. People who move to the country, build a large expensive house next to a farm then get upset because it smells like a farm?

Many states have right to farm statutes. Michigan is one of them. Looks like Pennsylvania is trying to address the smell issue with new regulations but let's be honest here. How stupid do you have to be to build a house in the country next to a farm and not expect an odor?

If the farmer is there first my call is tough nuts to the homeowner!

Farms must control odor
New rules aim to help farms' neighbors
By RICHARD FELLINGER

Harrisburg Bureau
Posted: 02/18/2009 01:00:00 AM EST

New state odor regulations aimed at keeping the peace between big farms and their neighbors take effect next week.

The rules will force farms known as CAFOs, or concentrated animal feeding operations, to get state approval for an odor-management plan for a new or expanded barn or manure-storage facility. The regulations will not affect existing farm buildings.

The new rules are especially im portant with increasing sprawl in farm communities, Agriculture Secretary Dennis Wolff said.

"These new regulations are geared to help minimize conflict be tween those not accustomed to farm odors and the agricultural producers working to meet our increasing world food needs," Wolff said in a news release.

The regulation will require new or expanding CAFOs to submit a plan to the state from a certified odor-management specialist. The State Conservation Commission will review and decide whether to approve each plan.

If a project is likely to affect the farm's neighbors, the plan must include strategies for managing the odor, such as a sanitation regimen, ventilation system or composting plan.

The regulations are backed by the Pennsylvania Farm Bureau, a farm advocacy group, but individual farmers have different opinions.

Lebanon County farmer Bonnie Wenger said she's concerned about how much the rules will cost farmers. She also questioned whether the new rules will result in meaningful changes, saying many farmers don't want to offend their neighbors.

"It's definitely an issue. It's going to mean more cost to the farmer in the end," Wenger said.

Franklin County farmer Stanley Burkholder said he has mixed feelings about the rules. He said more regulation and paperwork detract from the daily work a farmer has to do, but also said he wants to work with his neighbors.

"I've often said we need the consumer as bad as the consumer needs us," Burkholder said.

The farm bureau worked with state officials to draft the regulations in a way that does not present a major burden for farmers, farm bureau spokesman Mark O'Neill said.

The management plan will cost about $1,200, not including fans and ventilation systems, O'Neill estimated.

"We know it's going to cost a little more, but we feel it was important to take a good- neighbor approach," O'Neill said.

The regulations were called for in a 2005 law dubbed ACRE, and state officials have been working on drafting and finalizing them since then.

NEW REGULATIONS

# Farmer must submit a plan to the state from a certified odor-management specialist

# State Conservation Commission will review and decide whether to approve each plan

# Projects likely to affect farm's neighbors must include strategies for managing odor, such as cleaning regimen or ventilation system

# Regulations take effect Feb. 27

# Only affect new or ex panding CAFO buildings


MAYBE THIS BAD ECONOMY AND HOUSING MARKET WILL STOP PEOPLE FROM BUILDING IN THE COUNTRY...

MsCarmen's photo
Thu 02/19/09 11:35 AM
Hmmmm, I guess it's true. If you actually whine enough, you really will get your way! noway

Lynann's photo
Thu 02/19/09 11:59 AM
There's a pretty famous case from I believe Sun City, AZ regarding a retiree community that went in next to a feed lot.

If I recall rightly the feed lot was moved.

My advice? If you decide to move to the country and are looking at buy property adjacent to a working farm spend some time educating yourself about farming practices. The Department of Agriculture, local ag universities, the Health Department, and the FFA in your area are all good places to get information on farming practices in your area.

no photo
Thu 02/19/09 12:01 PM
we had that problem a lot in Albuquerque and Santa Fe

thousands of Californians moved to New Mexico and the first thing they did was to start filing lawsuits to make New Mexico more like California

Californians have a really bad reputation in New Mexico

Lynann's photo
Thu 02/19/09 12:07 PM
Edited by Lynann on Thu 02/19/09 12:20 PM
There's a big dairy operation down the road from me a couple miles. They are damned good neighbors, locally producing hormone free dairy products, on a well kept and clean acreage.

They do a lot of community work as well and are large supporters of the county Christian school.

I shop there regularly and appreciate their presence in the community.

Not everyone does it seems. Several new comers to the area have actually suggested they not be allowed to spread manure?!?

Keep in mind I live in the country. Cows, Amish, small towns nearby...rednecks in the natural habitat haha

If cows don't belong here where do they belong?

haha A friend of mine just read this post and laughed because I used the word cows and not cattle. This is why I chose the word cows. As a kid my uncles would distinguish between the dairy herd and the beef herd calling one cows and the other cattle. It's a habit that stuck with me over the years.

ReddBeans's photo
Thu 02/19/09 12:09 PM
slaphead How freakin stupid does someone gotta be to not understand that buildin ur 50,000sq ft mansion next to a farm isn't gonna be a bit smelly when u go outside to soak in the jacuzzi?? Nuther prime example of the 'haves' tryin to screw over the 'have nots'. What a freakin wast of time and tax money for such bullsh*t.


Does this mean I can sue CN for the noise their trains make comin by my house disturbin my peace and tranquilty?? Seriously, I thought that train goin by when I checked on the house bein built was just a one time thing. shades

willing2's photo
Thu 02/19/09 12:26 PM

There's a big dairy operation down the road from me a couple miles. They are damned good neighbors, locally producing hormone free dairy products, on a well kept and clean acreage.

They do a lot of community work as well and are large supporters of the county Christian school.

I shop there regularly and appreciate their presence in the community.

Not everyone does it seems. Several new comers to the area have actually suggested they not be allowed to spread manure?!?

Keep in mind I live in the country. Cows, Amish, small towns nearby...rednecks in the natural habitat haha

If cows don't belong here where do they belong?

haha A friend of mine just read this post and laughed because I used the word cows and not cattle. This is why I chose the word cows. As a kid my uncles would distinguish between the dairy herd and the beef herd calling one cows and the other cattle. It's a habit that stuck with me over the years.


Fer now, I think I'm in love with you. This is the first subject you came up with that touched me on the ole' heart strangs.
Thank you, Lynann. for your concern with folks that keep this country fed.
Select words misspelled on purpose:wink:

boredinaz06's photo
Thu 02/19/09 02:46 PM

we had that problem a lot in Albuquerque and Santa Fe

thousands of Californians moved to New Mexico and the first thing they did was to start filing lawsuits to make New Mexico more like California

Californians have a really bad reputation in New Mexico



Californians! Can't live with em, Can't Kill Em!