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Topic: Ain't it about time
Dan99's photo
Wed 02/04/09 01:50 PM
That they added AIN'T to the dictionary.

As far as i am concerned it is a real word, so many people use it, and everybody knows what it means. I do try to talk properly and write correctly etc, but it pisses me off when i am corrected for saying ain't.

Aint i correct?

Mr_Music's photo
Wed 02/04/09 01:51 PM
It's been in the dictionary for many, many years already, Danno.

Try and keep up, wouldja?

Pink_lady's photo
Wed 02/04/09 01:54 PM
Edited by Pink_lady on Wed 02/04/09 01:55 PM
Ain't is a contraction originally used for "am not", but also used for "is not", "are not", "has not", or "have not" in the common vernacular. In some dialects it is also used as a contraction of "do not", "does not", and "did not" (i.e. I ain't know that). The word is a perennial issue in English usage. It is a word that is widely used by many people, but is not standard English.

Critics[who?] say frequent use of ain't is a marker of basilectal — which is to say, "vulgate" or "common speech". The same applies for using i'n'it (normally written as innit) instead of "isn't it". There is little justification for this judgment on etymological or grammatical grounds, but it remains a widespread belief that the word is "not a word" or "incorrect".[5] However, a descriptive analysis of frequency statistics does make it perfectly justifiable to regard it as a colloquialism seldom found in formal writing, although its frequent usage in popular song lyrics is one argument for more general acceptance in writing.[citation needed]

During the nineteenth century, with the rise of prescriptivist usage writers, ain't fell under attack. The attack came on two fronts: usage writers did not know or pretended not to know what ain't was a contraction of, and its use was condemned as a vulgarism — a part of speech used by the lower classes.[6] Perhaps partly as a reaction to this trend, the number of situations in which ain't was used began to expand; some speakers began to use ain't in place of is not, have not, and has not.[citation needed]

Ain't would solve one logical problem of English grammar; it would serve as a useful contracted inverted form in the question "Ain't I?" Many prescriptivists prefer "Aren't I?" in this situation; (the Hiberno-English and Scottish English form Amn't I? follows other patterns), and for speakers of non-rhotic accents this may only be a baroque spelling of one possible pronunciation of the eighteenth century an't. Ain't is also obligatory in some fixed phrases, such as "Say it ain't so" and "you ain't seen nothing yet" (though for the former, "Say it isn't so" is also sometimes used). Under grammatical analysis of some dialects of nonstandard English, such as African-American vernacular English (AAVE), use of ain't is in fact required in some conditions. In AAVE, ain't is used as a substitute for hasn't in certain past tenses. Thus, one would say "she ain't called me" for "she hasn't called me".

Ain't is also found to be a stereotyped word for most peoples from the south-eastern United States, and is commonly used in most casual conversational settings (see also Y'all). Modern usage notes in dictionaries note that ain't is used in a self-conscious way by some speakers and writers for a deliberate effect: what Oxford American Dictionary describes as "tongue-in-cheek" or "reverse snobbery", and what Merriam-Webster Collegiate calls "emphatic effect" or "a consistently informal style". An example of this effect would be "Ain't ain't a word so I ain't gonna say it". Most prescriptive usage writers continue to condemn use of the word in an unselfconscious way, but it is proper English if used in the correct manner.

Dan99's photo
Wed 02/04/09 01:55 PM
Maybe i should have checked it first.

People often tell me its not a proper word.

Stupid bastards.

sensualsweet's photo
Wed 02/04/09 01:56 PM

Critics[who?] say frequent use of ain't is a marker of basilectal — which is to say, "vulgate" or "common speech". The same applies for using i'n'it (normally written as innit) instead of "isn't it". There is little justification for this judgment on etymological or grammatical grounds, but it remains a widespread belief that the word is "not a word" or "incorrect".[5] However, a descriptive analysis of frequency statistics does make it perfectly justifiable to regard it as a colloquialism seldom found in formal writing, although its frequent usage in popular song lyrics is one argument for more general acceptance in writing.[citation needed]

During the nineteenth century, with the rise of prescriptivist usage writers, ain't fell under attack. The attack came on two fronts: usage writers did not know or pretended not to know what ain't was a contraction of, and its use was condemned as a vulgarism — a part of speech used by the lower classes.[6] Perhaps partly as a reaction to this trend, the number of situations in which ain't was used began to expand; some speakers began to use ain't in place of is not, have not, and has not.[citation needed]

Ain't would solve one logical problem of English grammar; it would serve as a useful contracted inverted form in the question "Ain't I?" Many prescriptivists prefer "Aren't I?" in this situation; (the Hiberno-English and Scottish English form Amn't I? follows other patterns), and for speakers of non-rhotic accents this may only be a baroque spelling of one possible pronunciation of the eighteenth century an't. Ain't is also obligatory in some fixed phrases, such as "Say it ain't so" and "you ain't seen nothing yet" (though for the former, "Say it isn't so" is also sometimes used). Under grammatical analysis of some dialects of nonstandard English, such as African-American vernacular English (AAVE), use of ain't is in fact required in some conditions. In AAVE, ain't is used as a substitute for hasn't in certain past tenses. Thus, one would say "she ain't called me" for "she hasn't called me".

Ain't is also found to be a stereotyped word for most peoples from the south-eastern United States, and is commonly used in most casual conversational settings (see also Y'all). Modern usage notes in dictionaries note that ain't is used in a self-conscious way by some speakers and writers for a deliberate effect: what Oxford American Dictionary describes as "tongue-in-cheek" or "reverse snobbery", and what Merriam-Webster Collegiate calls "emphatic effect" or "a consistently informal style". An example of this effect would be "Ain't ain't a word so I ain't gonna say it". Most prescriptive usage writers continue to condemn use of the word in an unselfconscious way, but it is proper English if used in the correct manner.


Whoa.... now my head hurts. ??? huh flowerforyou

EtherealEmbers's photo
Wed 02/04/09 01:57 PM
I was about to say, Wow, someone ate their Wheaties this morning, but then I found that the previous post was copied and pasted from an internet source.

RKISIT's photo
Wed 02/04/09 01:59 PM
ain't and ya'll:smile:

Dan99's photo
Wed 02/04/09 01:59 PM

Ain't is a contraction originally used for "am not", but also used for "is not", "are not", "has not", or "have not" in the common vernacular. In some dialects it is also used as a contraction of "do not", "does not", and "did not" (i.e. I ain't know that). The word is a perennial issue in English usage. It is a word that is widely used by many people, but is not standard English.



Explain that for me Keith please. How can it be in the dictionary but not be standard English.

Mr_Music's photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:01 PM
Edited by Mr_Music on Wed 02/04/09 02:02 PM


Ain't is a contraction originally used for "am not", but also used for "is not", "are not", "has not", or "have not" in the common vernacular. In some dialects it is also used as a contraction of "do not", "does not", and "did not" (i.e. I ain't know that). The word is a perennial issue in English usage. It is a word that is widely used by many people, but is not standard English.



Explain that for me Keith please. How can it be in the dictionary but not be standard English.

It's a NON-standard English colloquialism, much like Y'ALL (correct spelling of this non-correct word).

Dan99's photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:04 PM



Ain't is a contraction originally used for "am not", but also used for "is not", "are not", "has not", or "have not" in the common vernacular. In some dialects it is also used as a contraction of "do not", "does not", and "did not" (i.e. I ain't know that). The word is a perennial issue in English usage. It is a word that is widely used by many people, but is not standard English.



Explain that for me Keith please. How can it be in the dictionary but not be standard English.

It's a NON-standard English colloquialism, much like Y'ALL (correct spelling of this non-correct word).


Gotcha!

When i become Prime Minister i am going to make it a standard word.

Pink_lady's photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:05 PM

I was about to say, Wow, someone ate their Wheaties this morning, but then I found that the previous post was copied and pasted from an internet source.


Obviously! lol!

I AINT no brainy box!

Dan99's photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:06 PM


I was about to say, Wow, someone ate their Wheaties this morning, but then I found that the previous post was copied and pasted from an internet source.


Obviously! lol!

I AINT no brainy box!


awww you have a lovely box darling!

huskydogowner's photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:41 PM
I might be overreacting and too judgemental, but, here's one that always tweaks me:

People that insist on using disrespect as a verb.
Just because some celebrity says it, or MC Dumbass says it, or Oprah says it to prove she is still down with tha hood doesn't make it so.
You cannot disrespect someone much as you cannot disloyal someone or dishonest someone.

Please give generously to Save the Nouns.
Disrespect Dishonest(y) Disloyal(ty)

The language you save may be your own.

p.s. don't get me started on people that insist on spelling ludicrous as "ludacris". slaphead

Mr_Music's photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:43 PM
MC Dumbass


*SNORT!!* rofl rofl rofl
That's hysterical! Why didn't I think of that!?

rofl

Dan99's photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:43 PM
disrespect is a verb as well as a noun

Pink_lady's photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:47 PM
Edited by Pink_lady on Wed 02/04/09 02:48 PM
dis⋅re⋅spect
   /ˌdɪsrɪˈspɛkt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dis-ri-spekt]
–noun
disrespect

noun
1. an expression of lack of respect
2. a disrespectful mental attitude [ant: esteem]
3. a manner that is generally disrespectful and contemptuous [syn: contempt]

verb
1. show a lack of respect for [ant: abide by]
2. have little or no respect for; hold in contempt [ant: esteem]

motowndowntown's photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:50 PM
Unlike Latin, English is a living language, things change. If you could fast forward a couple of hundred years it's highly probable that you wouldn't understand a single sentence.

huskydogowner's photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:50 PM
Actually disrespect is a transitive verb that requires the suffix ful to make it a proper usage.
Just because society in general has dumbed down in the last several years doesn't make it right.

huskydogowner's photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:53 PM
hold in contempt [ant: esteem]
see above: you can't contempt anyone or esteem anyone either. Ironically, one of your exhibits of evidence shows the correct usage. I digress, however. Everyone knows the real purpose for the internet is PORN!pitchfork

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Wed 02/04/09 02:54 PM

Actually disrespect is a transitive verb that requires the suffix ful to make it a proper usage.
Just because society in general has dumbed down in the last several years doesn't make it right.
omg I read that wrong....I thought you said a transvestite verb!!!scared not that there is anything wrong with that..rofl

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