New 'evidence' in Turin Shroud mystery

Scientists have long argued over whether this is the face of Christ

The argument over the authenticity of the Turin Shroud has taken a new twist after researchers say they may have found fresh evidence that the cloth bears the face of Christ.



Rex Morgan: "Another link in the evidence"
A team carrying out work in some of Rome's ancient catacombs have discovered a ceiling fresco which they believe shows the same man as the image on the holy relic.

They believe that the portrait dates from as early as 60AD, indicating it may have been painted by someone who had actually seen Christ while he lived.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/107748.stm




hmmmmmmm

I'm watching it on Discovery right now

interesting

Please let me know what the show tells you about it.

spectral photometry and spectroscopy showed no trace of pigment or paint anywhere on the cloth

and ultraviolet flourescence showed a whole new pattern of blood stains (like CSI) consistent with crucifixtion

Wow!

Your post seems to be missing something:

New 'evidence' in Turin Shroud mystery

Scientists have long argued over whether this is the face of Christ

The argument over the authenticity of the Turin Shroud has taken a new twist after researchers say they may have found fresh evidence that the cloth bears the face of Christ.


Rex Morgan: "Another link in the evidence"
A team carrying out work in some of Rome's ancient catacombs have discovered a ceiling fresco which they believe shows the same man as the image on the holy relic.

They believe that the portrait dates from as early as 60AD, indicating it may have been painted by someone who had actually seen Christ while he lived.

Rex Morgan, an author on books on the Shroud, said he believed there was sufficient evidence to date the portrait to the first century.

"This painting looked to me to be very much the same features of the man on the Shroud of Turin," said Mr Morgan.



New evidence may be in Rome's catacombs
"All the earliest portraits are all Romanesque figures, beardless and youthful, whereas this one is very clearly a ... Jew with long black hair and a beard and other features you would associate with the traditional likeness of Christ."

"If we are right and it was painted in, let's say, about 60AD, it could very well or would almost certainly have been painted by an eye-witness, someone who had actually seen the man."

Mr Morgan suggested that St Mark may have commissioned the portrait but he added that it could not conclusively prove the image on the shroud is that of Christ.

"What it does, is adds another link into the very many pieces of evidence which suggests that the Shroud of Turin is a 2,000 year old item.

"You are never going to prove it's the shroud of Christ, but it's another link in this extraordinarily mysterious chain of evidence."

Debate rages on authenticity

Tests have cast doubt on the age of the cloth
Scientific tests have cast doubt on the age of the Turin Shroud, indicating it might date from the Middle Ages.

But other evidence suggests it is not a painting and the image could have been left by a corpse.

More intriguing still, computer analysis indicates the shroud has unusual three-dimensional properties and scientists have also found traces of pollens from the Middle East.

The shroud recently went back on view at Turin Cathedral and thousands made a pilgrimage to the city to see the relic.

Speaking during his visit, Pope John Paul II called on scientists to keep an open mind about the shroud.


I think the Pope is clever guy, what better way to get more people to the church.. sorry skeptic at heart. I have seen at least one documentary on the shroud and in the end it was not conclusive.

in 1988

4 separate labs independently carbon dated it to around 1280 AD

so it wasnt 2000 years old

Hey Quiet, what is the exact name of the documentary you are watching on Discovery. Wondering if it's the same one I saw? There might be a few

Shroud of Turin Gets High-Def Scrutiny
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/02/28/shroud-of-turin.html

Don't know if this is part of the doc you are watching now but I am reading it anyway, the article above is on the discovery channel site.

Heres another link about the dating stuff.

The Shroud: Physical Evidence
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/sphysical.html

Well will have to read more tomorrow.. Night all..

Oh...so...now science can prove something?

Hey one never knows.. lol
I just found this site, with photos, very cool

Forensic Science CSI to Explain the Pictures of
Jesus on the Shroud of Turin

http://www.historicaljesusquest.com/forensic-science-csi.htm

OH crap now I can't sleep, going back in to check out this csi one.

Ok editing my post to add this site with pics as well, this one seems to validate, but I am getting sleepy again, and there is a ton of information on both the sites..

http://shroudstory.com/

turns out that the sample carbon dated is shown irrefutably to be a section thsat was rewoven in cotton. There is no cotton anyhwere else in the shroud

but new carbon dating is impossible. They used Thymol as a preservative and that contaminated carbon-14 (being an organic)

BUT there are charred bits of the shroud that were removed in renovation in 2000. They are petitioning to get those samples

more to come

I know what I'm going to be reading about tomorrow. Good night.

Night Winx... guess I will be reading the same thing..

Sorry...still dazzled by the whole science proving anything to some posters idea...

haha

Next think you know someone might claim an education that includes history, civics and science along with basic reading, math and writing skills might be dubbed worthy as well!

Just imagine!

Night, Boo.

Very easy: Jesus was crucified in 1280.