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Topic: The final conclusion about TIME
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Thu 10/31/13 06:05 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 10/31/13 06:06 PM
For something to be "relative" you have to have something for it to be relative to.

Since you claim that everything is moving, or has speed, then what is any speeding object relative to?

Saying something is relative does not explain anything.

Is the universe small or large?

Is the sun small or large?

It has to be small or large relative (in relation to) something else.



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Thu 10/31/13 06:11 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 10/31/13 06:12 PM
Also, if you claim that light has speed (through space) then you have to claim that space exists. If space exists then you have to claim that time exists. If you claim these things, then you have to conclude that matter exists and yet scientists have yet to find any matter on the quantum level there is only forces and energy. No matter, no particle. They are only deluding themselves if they think they have found the Higgs Bosen.

Time is just a system of measurement. It does not exist. Matter is energy, energy is vibration.

All that really exists is vibration.

All that exists is consciousness.(vibration)



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Sat 11/02/13 08:14 AM

Also, if you claim that light has speed (through space) then you have to claim that space exists. If space exists then you have to claim that time exists. If you claim these things, then you have to conclude that matter exists and yet scientists have yet to find any matter on the quantum level there is only forces and energy. No matter, no particle. They are only deluding themselves if they think they have found the Higgs Bosen.

Time is just a system of measurement. It does not exist. Matter is energy, energy is vibration.

All that really exists is vibration.

All that exists is consciousness.(vibration)





Well, at least we have proven that you don't understand relativity.happy Einstein explained it rather well.

Quantum effects prove E=Mc**2, not disprove it as you claim. Matter is nothing but congealed energy. Matter exists at the quantum level just like it exists at all other levels. In string theory it may appear as a vibrating string of energy but it is still matter nonetheless.

Here is a tiny lesson. If I walk two miles an hour on a moving train, my movement is two miles per hour relative to the train, perhaps fifty miles per hour relative to the ground, perhaps 20,000 miles per hour relative to another star, perhaps a million miles per hour relative to another star in this galaxy or perhaps several times the speed of light in a galaxy far far away or even a million times the speed of light to an object falling past the event horizon deeply into a black hole.

Space/time are elastic and change the speed of everything, including light, relative to the warpage or elasticity involved.

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Sat 11/02/13 11:26 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 11/02/13 11:29 AM


Also, if you claim that light has speed (through space) then you have to claim that space exists. If space exists then you have to claim that time exists. If you claim these things, then you have to conclude that matter exists and yet scientists have yet to find any matter on the quantum level there is only forces and energy. No matter, no particle. They are only deluding themselves if they think they have found the Higgs Bosen.

Time is just a system of measurement. It does not exist. Matter is energy, energy is vibration.

All that really exists is vibration.

All that exists is consciousness.(vibration)





Well, at least we have proven that you don't understand relativity.happy Einstein explained it rather well.

Quantum effects prove E=Mc**2, not disprove it as you claim. Matter is nothing but congealed energy. Matter exists at the quantum level just like it exists at all other levels. In string theory it may appear as a vibrating string of energy but it is still matter nonetheless.

Here is a tiny lesson. If I walk two miles an hour on a moving train, my movement is two miles per hour relative to the train, perhaps fifty miles per hour relative to the ground, perhaps 20,000 miles per hour relative to another star, perhaps a million miles per hour relative to another star in this galaxy or perhaps several times the speed of light in a galaxy far far away or even a million times the speed of light to an object falling past the event horizon deeply into a black hole.

Space/time are elastic and change the speed of everything, including light, relative to the warpage or elasticity involved.


You have proven no such thing.

I understand relativity. The speed of light itself is "relative."

To be "relative" to something requires an observer's perspective to make the comparison.

"matter" (as a solid thing) does not exist. (You can call it "matter" if you want, but it is still atoms and "space.") Its all numbers, comparisons and vibrations.

Everything you see and touch is an interpretation of vibrations.

Light itself has no attribute called "speed" until and unless someone decides from where it it being observed and what it is relative to.




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Sat 11/02/13 01:02 PM



Also, if you claim that light has speed (through space) then you have to claim that space exists. If space exists then you have to claim that time exists. If you claim these things, then you have to conclude that matter exists and yet scientists have yet to find any matter on the quantum level there is only forces and energy. No matter, no particle. They are only deluding themselves if they think they have found the Higgs Bosen.

Time is just a system of measurement. It does not exist. Matter is energy, energy is vibration.

All that really exists is vibration.

All that exists is consciousness.(vibration)





Well, at least we have proven that you don't understand relativity.happy Einstein explained it rather well.

Quantum effects prove E=Mc**2, not disprove it as you claim. Matter is nothing but congealed energy. Matter exists at the quantum level just like it exists at all other levels. In string theory it may appear as a vibrating string of energy but it is still matter nonetheless.

Here is a tiny lesson. If I walk two miles an hour on a moving train, my movement is two miles per hour relative to the train, perhaps fifty miles per hour relative to the ground, perhaps 20,000 miles per hour relative to another star, perhaps a million miles per hour relative to another star in this galaxy or perhaps several times the speed of light in a galaxy far far away or even a million times the speed of light to an object falling past the event horizon deeply into a black hole.

Space/time are elastic and change the speed of everything, including light, relative to the warpage or elasticity involved.


You have proven no such thing.

I understand relativity. The speed of light itself is "relative."

To be "relative" to something requires an observer's perspective to make the comparison.

"matter" (as a solid thing) does not exist. (You can call it "matter" if you want, but it is still atoms and "space.") Its all numbers, comparisons and vibrations.

Everything you see and touch is an interpretation of vibrations.

Light itself has no attribute called "speed" until and unless someone decides from where it it being observed and what it is relative to.






So.... you are clueless about real science so you make up your own?

That doesn't make it science, real, or correct. It just shows that you can't think within the framework of a system already proven.

I spent a whole class in college just studying the physics of light. You want to make all of that knowledge disappear in the blink of an eye so you can substitute something meaningless.

"Numbers, comparisons, and vibrations"? No. Matter is congealed energy in the amount of E=MC**2. Numbers are just math. Comparisons are a human concept. Vibrations are something strings do in string theory but other things vibrate too.

Here's something I posted on another thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SojWeJtYSr0

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Sat 11/02/13 01:40 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 11/02/13 01:55 PM




Also, if you claim that light has speed (through space) then you have to claim that space exists. If space exists then you have to claim that time exists. If you claim these things, then you have to conclude that matter exists and yet scientists have yet to find any matter on the quantum level there is only forces and energy. No matter, no particle. They are only deluding themselves if they think they have found the Higgs Bosen.

Time is just a system of measurement. It does not exist. Matter is energy, energy is vibration.

All that really exists is vibration.

All that exists is consciousness.(vibration)





Well, at least we have proven that you don't understand relativity.happy Einstein explained it rather well.

Quantum effects prove E=Mc**2, not disprove it as you claim. Matter is nothing but congealed energy. Matter exists at the quantum level just like it exists at all other levels. In string theory it may appear as a vibrating string of energy but it is still matter nonetheless.

Here is a tiny lesson. If I walk two miles an hour on a moving train, my movement is two miles per hour relative to the train, perhaps fifty miles per hour relative to the ground, perhaps 20,000 miles per hour relative to another star, perhaps a million miles per hour relative to another star in this galaxy or perhaps several times the speed of light in a galaxy far far away or even a million times the speed of light to an object falling past the event horizon deeply into a black hole.

Space/time are elastic and change the speed of everything, including light, relative to the warpage or elasticity involved.


You have proven no such thing.

I understand relativity. The speed of light itself is "relative."

To be "relative" to something requires an observer's perspective to make the comparison.

"matter" (as a solid thing) does not exist. (You can call it "matter" if you want, but it is still atoms and "space.") Its all numbers, comparisons and vibrations.

Everything you see and touch is an interpretation of vibrations.

Light itself has no attribute called "speed" until and unless someone decides from where it it being observed and what it is relative to.




So.... you are clueless about real science so you make up your own?

That doesn't make it science, real, or correct. It just shows that you can't think within the framework of a system already proven.

I spent a whole class in college just studying the physics of light. You want to make all of that knowledge disappear in the blink of an eye so you can substitute something meaningless.

"Numbers, comparisons, and vibrations"? No. Matter is congealed energy in the amount of E=MC**2. Numbers are just math. Comparisons are a human concept. Vibrations are something strings do in string theory but other things vibrate too.

Here's something I posted on another thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SojWeJtYSr0




I have no objection to or argument with your "real science" system within that framework, but it does not change a thing. (And I am not trying to make all that knowledge disappear.... it has its place within this scientific framework you mention.)

(I'm just looking at it from a completely different perspective than you and your framework.)

Look at light without that framework.

Light still has no attribute called "speed" until and unless someone decides from where it is being observed and what it is relative to. (or how fast it is traveling itself..)

That is confined entirely within your "real science" system of relativity. It is man created, not actual truth. Those "facts" only work inside the framework, like a formula or recipe. Science itself is confined within that framework. It can't go outside of the box and still be called "science."

I'm sure all your scientific calculations within that science framework all work out perfectly and is all agreed upon by the system creators.

"Numbers, comparisons, and vibrations"? No. Matter is congealed energy in the amount of E=MC**2. Numbers are just math. Comparisons are a human concept. Vibrations are something strings do in string theory but other things vibrate too.


Yes, numbers are just math. But they are the evidence that scientists use to prove their theories.

Comparisons are a human concept. I agree. So is the speed of light, because it is also "relative."





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Sat 11/02/13 01:58 PM
Vibrations are something strings do in string theory but other things vibrate too.



I am betting that EVERYTHING in existence vibrates.

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