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Topic: Detail Please: Invitation to hear about other faiths
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Thu 04/26/07 11:49 AM
i really want a dougnut

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Thu 04/26/07 12:00 PM
mmmmm donuts....happy

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Thu 04/26/07 01:40 PM
I believe that the universe is god. Which means that we are also god,
as are all living things that have evolved out of the universe. This
means that every living thing has a spirit. Humans are no different
from animals when it comes to having a spirit. We are all inseparable.
We are all one.

Where do we get our code of ethics from. The words of Einstein!

”A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would
indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment
and hope of reward after death.” - Albert Einstein

This is how I believe. Yes, there’s a god which is the universe, and
our spirits belong to the universe just as much as our atoms do. When
we die our atoms go back into the dust of the earth, and our spirits go
back into the spirit of the universe. And this is how things are.

No need to have ‘faith’ in something you can’t know. Everything I’ve
just describe is a matter of direct experience. You are experiencing
being a spirit right now at this very moment because that is what you
are. You are the spirit of this universe. You didn’t come from some
external source. You came out of the universe, and you’ll go back into
it when your body turns back into dust. No need to have any faith in
anything other than what you already know that you are.

The only difference between this picture and an atheist, is that an
atheist somehow thinks that their spirit isn’t real. They somehow think
that they are merely a bunch of atoms perceiving things, and that when
their atoms fall apart they will no longer perceive.

Well that’s ridiculous. Thinking is not perceiving. Yes it’s true that
we can perceive our thoughts. But perceiving in and of itself does not
require thinking. Anyone who has genuinely mediated successfully knows
this to be true. When you meditate successfully you abandon your
thinking brain. Your brain doesn’t stop thinking. You can’t ever stop
your brain from thinking without killing it. But you can become
detached from it via meditation.

When you achieve this state of mind you can see your thoughts flowing by
like a river. You are NOT your thoughts. In fact, if you THINK about
your thoughts flowing by, you’ll immediately snap out of your meditative
mode. You can’t think at all when you are in a state of complete
perception. You perceive, but you don’t analyze at all.

This is how most animals are all the time. They are in a perpetual
state of mediation because they don’t think at all, at least not like
humans do. All animals can do is perceive. Although, I personally
believe that many animals are capable of thinking to some degree, just
not at the level of humans. But they do perceive and that perception is
due to their spiritual essence. Animals, and all living things most
certainly do have a spiritual essence.

In fact, our spiritual essence is the basis of our perception. Our
ability to perceive is not based on our ability to think. Mediation is
experiential proof of this.

What’s the ultimate conclusion here?

Well, for one thing you don’t need a brain to perceive. Atheist think
that when their brain dies they must necessarily stop thinking and
therefore they will cease to exist. But this is a misconception. The
brain does not perceive. The brain merely thinks, and thinking is not
perception.

So when your body fails and turns to dust and your brain ceases to
exist, you will no longer be able to think. But you will continue to
perceive. How is that possible? And what will you perceive?

Well, it’s possible because your ability to perceive is in your spirit,
and your spirit is a part of this universe that cannot be destroyed,
just like your atoms can’t be destroyed. Your spirit goes back into
the collective spirit of the universe and you are ‘reincarnated’ back
into the universe. You go right back to what you were before you became
a human. You don’t need a brain to perceive, because you are spirit.
You’ve always been spirit.

What else could be the truth? That you are just a bunch of atoms
thinking about their collective self as a brain inside a human body?
Which atoms are ‘perceiving’ this illusion? Just one? Two? All of
them? How can an atom perceive anything?

Meditation proves that you don’t need logical thought to perceive. If
your entire logical brain were removed and your brain stem were all that
was left you’d still perceive. That would be perfect mediation because
you wouldn’t be able to think at all. You wouldn’t even be able to see
a river of thoughts. All you would experience is the pure white light
of meditation. And yes, you would ‘experience’ this white light because
meditation experientially reveals that this to be true.

What is the white light that you see when you mediate? Well, it
certainly isn’t physical light. At least not in the sense of photons
falling on retinas. When you meditate and see the white light where
does that light come from? It has no directional source. It’s
everywhere, like a blanket. As I’ve said, it’s not physical light in
the form of photons, it’s spiritual light. Perhaps that’s why they call
it ‘enlightenment’.

You don’t see this light with your eyes. It’s not physical light. You
don’t sense this light with a physical receptor of any kind. The light
is not only non-directional but it’s omnipresent. You are the light.
The light cannot be physically extinguished. Your physical body returns
to dust and you return to the light. That’s where you came from, that’s
who you are, and who you will always be.

You are the eternal light.

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Thu 04/26/07 01:49 PM
clarity...

Abra!!!flowerforyou

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Thu 04/26/07 01:58 PM
Thank you Abraflowerforyou

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Fri 04/27/07 07:15 AM
>>>>>>>>>>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand HE SCORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!flowerforyou :wink:

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Fri 04/27/07 11:02 PM
Alex, you are absolutely right...and yes..Tao is seen as a structured
religion...

For me...and only for me...I find the 'philosophies' attached to the Tao
work for me, as well as many of the Buddhist principles, and as I said,
I take a pinch from here, a portion from there,
accumulative...practising?

As in structure??? I don't have the discipline to adhere to any one
thing, it feels right for me, in my naivete, and the stage of my
development...is all..

And you know I love you, and respect your words...flowerforyou

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Sat 04/28/07 01:13 AM
cool !!!

i prefer the Tao Te Ching over Taoism any day....i could never
pronounce those gatekeepers names !!! no heaven for me!!laugh :wink:

unless of course it's the 2 of us paddling out and looking over our
shoulders....


outside!!!!!!!!!!!!..heh hehflowerforyou

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Sat 04/28/07 01:52 AM
Now that's a religion I can prescribe to...glasses :heart: :tongue:
paddling, outside...

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