I am too practical a person to just believe in anything, so I know what I saw and heard, but explaining it is another matter if people have not seen them or heard them.

Like you, I'm technically agnostic. To claim to be anything else would be a lie. I believe in honesty. And the honest truth is that I don't know.

Having confess truth, I need to also say that I have a deep-seated intuitively feeling that I am spirit and that there was never a time when I was naught, nor will their ever be a time when I will cease to exist.

However, just because I feel that way that doesn't make it true. Thus from a rational point of view I must confess to agnosticism.

Also, I never could understand the one-way thing. I mean that we are created from scratch when we are born but when we die a soul continues on?

That would imply that our creator requires physical bodies to create spirits. I don't see the sense in that.

Also, if a create wanted spiritual beings then why not just create them straight-away? The Mediterranean idea that God is jealous and all that crap just make absolutely no sense to me at all either. A jealous God would be scarier than a Horror flick.

For this and a gazillion other sound rational reasons, I much prefer the patheistic picture of reincarnation as you have mentioned. Although, I also believe that we can exist in the pure spiritual state as well. I think we probably do a little of both.

Moreover, when you think about being reincarnated don't imagine that you merely come back to earth all the time. That would be pretty disgusting.

Just look at the universe. There are over 100 billion galaxies. And over 100 billion stars in each one of them. Just in this universe along the choices of where and when to reincarnate are basically infinite. And there's no reason to believe that what we can see is anywhere near the whole universe. In fact, it's most likely not hardly a speck of it.

Plus there are probably infinitely many universes. So the possibilties for reincarnation are infinte.

Moreover, let's just assume for a second that we were to consider the Mediterranean picture of God where we die and then go to some eternal heaven to forever be the servants of God.

What would we do there? Just stand around in pure white untainted perfec robes singing hymns to praise God?

I don't think anyone could stand doing that for very long, much less for the rest of eternity.

So what would we do? Play games? Ok, how about we play a game call reincarnation and go back to being physical beings on some planet in a universe?

Well, we're already doing that! Maybe we've been in heaven for eternity already and we just don't know it because what people do in heaven is become reincarnated into different worlds. It's just one adventure after another.

Anyone who says that this would be boring better think again, because what are the ulternatives?

Standing around in white robes singing hims to are task master?

Yes, I believe in spirit, and I believe in reincarnation.

I also realize that just because I beleive in those things it doesn't make them true. But if I believed in anything else it wouldn't make that true either (including atheism).

So if I'm going to put my belief in something, let it be divine.

Reincarnation is the most divine thing I can imagine. If you can come up with something more divine let me know, I'm all eyes.

But please don't suggest being the eternal servant to some egotistical jealous judgmental God. There would be nothing divine about that IMHO.

Abra, how about we are mainly spirit, but we require bodies to live on this planet? When we die, we simply revert to spirit and move on where the spirit doesn't require the body. Heck maybe the universe has many dimensions with all manner of spirits, who knows.

I just can't accept the notion the biblical god. So that idea wouldn't bother me at all.

the soul be only as a chain that tie to the earth, formed by all self believe that was gathered from the earth eye, but the eyes of the heart, that have immortal truth imprinted upon them, heeded unto self and not applied outward as a moral code to access all others equality, free from the soul chains that tie to the earth, and free the spirit to be and go and do as it wish........