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Topic: Scientology Kills...again
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Sat 01/03/09 04:07 PM
http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx?news=345947&gt1=28103


1. The boy didn't have Kawasaki disease. He was autistic, but his parents were trying to hide it.

2. I'm not all too certain foul play in the form of Scientology "cures" weren't responsible.

Poor kid.

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Sat 01/03/09 04:10 PM
wHO died i cant go to urls as i am online via my phone

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Sat 01/03/09 04:14 PM
John Travolta's son, Jett.

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Sat 01/03/09 04:19 PM
They said he had a seizure & fell hitting his head on the way down & died. On last nites news anyway.

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Sat 01/03/09 04:30 PM
Read the article about Scientology and Autism.


Jet, 16, was found dead after hitting his head on a bathtub in the Travoltas' suite at an exclusive resort, police said.

Jett had a history of seizures and other medical problems, including complications resulting from Kawasaki disease, a rare lymph-node disorder that he suffered as a young child, Travolta told investigators on the island.

But there have been claims that Jett suffered from autism – a condition not recognised by the Scientology belief system pursued by Travolta and his actress wife Kelly Preston. The couple have denied through their lawyer that Jett was autistic.

Based on precepts laid down by science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard and whose Hollywood adherents also includes Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, Scientology views mental illness as psychosomatic and says it should be treated through spiritual healing.

It denounces psychology and psychiatry as pseudo-sciences and rejects the use of drugs to reject mental conditions. Autism is often associated with epilepsy and in the US nearly half of autistic children are prescribed with anti-convulsion drugs.

Travolta and Preston said that their son, who appeared confused or unsure of his surroundings in public, had suffered as a young child from Kawasaki disease, brought on by chemicals used to clean their carpets.

They also said that he had a history of seizures which some doctors said could have been the product of brain damage as a result of Kawasaki, a treatable disease characterised by high fever, skin rash and swelling of the lymph nodes that usually affects children under five.

Jett was found dead on Friday after apparently suffering a seizure and hitting his head on a bathtub while on a New Year's holiday with his parents and eight-year-old sister, Bahamian police said. His father, a keen pilot, flew the family there by private jet.

His body was discovered by his caretaker, Jeff Kathrain, at around 10am in a bathtub in the Travoltas' suite at the Old Bahama Bay Resort Hotel on Grand Bahama Island, local police chief superintendent Basil Rahming said.

Jett had a long history of seizures and other medical problems, including complications resulting from Kawasaki disease, a rare lymph-node disorder that causes severe rashes and fevers, Travolta told investigators.

Claims that Jett suffered from autism were given fresh impetus in 2007 after a Florida neighbour of the couple, whose daughter suffers from the condition, said he approached Travolta as "one autistic father to another".

The couple's lawyer Marty Singer bluntly rejected the claims. "The Travoltas are wonderful, loving parents, and their priority is their children," he said. "They have (taken) and they continue to take the best possible care of their children. To suggest anything to the contrary is very hurtful to a loving family and also would be false and defamatory."

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Sat 01/03/09 04:34 PM
Thanks for posting the story. That cult of so called religion is so messed up to say the least.

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Sat 01/03/09 04:39 PM
They have claimed he had kawasaki disease, but if you read medical articles about it, it's something that is treatable and does NOT cause brain damage, like the parents have claimed.

Anyhow, there is medication the boy could have taken to prevent seizures, and because a lot of people that have autism have seizures there are natural ways of dealing with it as well.

Jenny McCarthy is a great example of that.

I'm just saying his death really could have been prevented. It's still very sad though.

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Sat 01/03/09 04:40 PM
In the article about his death, it says he's had a history of seizures, and he may or may not have been on medication for them. Also, all that they know is that he died in the bathroom sometime Thursday night or Friday morning, and had apparently hit his head on the tub - no one knows if he really had a seizure, they're just postulating that he did because of the history.

From http://www.whyaretheydead.net/

"Heribert Pfaff (31)
Room 758
According to the records, Heribert P. died august 28, 1988, during the night from a heavy epileptic attack. He hit his head on the night table. The scientology doctor reports that he prescribed vitamins for his patient -dispite regular attacks- in stead of treating him with proper medication. Such medication was indeed not detected in his blood during the post-mortem examination"

He had seizures, too, untreated. Granted, not all seizures can be stopped with meds, but it's worth a try, I would think o0

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Sat 01/03/09 04:42 PM
brian littrell or however its spelled from the backstreet boys was in people thiss week as his little boy was just diagnosed with kawasaki disease i read the story. And it is sad jett died no parennt should feel that pain

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Sat 01/03/09 04:42 PM
What I would also like to know, is where were his parents or anyone else for that matter? I would think you wouldn't leave a 16 year old with a disorder alone.

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Sat 01/03/09 07:31 PM

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Sat 01/03/09 07:52 PM

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Sat 01/03/09 08:03 PM
Oh, FFS! frustrated

Just once...can't you folks put down the friggin' People magazine and rest your Google trigger finger and find some compassion and let a decent FAMILY grieve in PEACE! ohwell

And for the OP...I sure would like to know where you earned your supposed MD degree, to think you could thorougly and effectively diagnose the Travolta child. *rolls eyes*

Again, FFS...give it a rest, would ya? Essentially, what you doing in this thread is BLAMING his family for their child's death due to their GOD-given RIGHT to religion...which is totally unfair, unjustified...and not to mention...UNPROVEN!

I personally send my quiet prayers of peace and comfort to this loving family, hope they find solace through their pain.

I suggest everyone else do the same...vs. casting unwarranted stones in a glass house.

R.I.P. Jett Travolta. :heart:

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Sat 01/03/09 08:11 PM

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Sat 01/03/09 09:08 PM

Oh, FFS! frustrated

Just once...can't you folks put down the friggin' People magazine and rest your Google trigger finger and find some compassion and let a decent FAMILY grieve in PEACE! ohwell

And for the OP...I sure would like to know where you earned your supposed MD degree, to think you could thorougly and effectively diagnose the Travolta child. *rolls eyes*

Again, FFS...give it a rest, would ya? Essentially, what you doing in this thread is BLAMING his family for their child's death due to their GOD-given RIGHT to religion...which is totally unfair, unjustified...and not to mention...UNPROVEN!

I personally send my quiet prayers of peace and comfort to this loving family, hope they find solace through their pain.

I suggest everyone else do the same...vs. casting unwarranted stones in a glass house.

R.I.P. Jett Travolta. :heart:


Bla bla bla
Bla bla bla

Send all your prayers you wish, it won't bring back the child.

i rest my case!


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Sat 01/03/09 09:30 PM


Oh, FFS! frustrated

Just once...can't you folks put down the friggin' People magazine and rest your Google trigger finger and find some compassion and let a decent FAMILY grieve in PEACE! ohwell

And for the OP...I sure would like to know where you earned your supposed MD degree, to think you could thorougly and effectively diagnose the Travolta child. *rolls eyes*

Again, FFS...give it a rest, would ya? Essentially, what you doing in this thread is BLAMING his family for their child's death due to their GOD-given RIGHT to religion...which is totally unfair, unjustified...and not to mention...UNPROVEN!

I personally send my quiet prayers of peace and comfort to this loving family, hope they find solace through their pain.

I suggest everyone else do the same...vs. casting unwarranted stones in a glass house.

R.I.P. Jett Travolta. :heart:


Bla bla bla
Bla bla bla

Send all your prayers you wish, it won't bring back the child.

i rest my case!




Yep, well, blah, blah, BLAH back at ya! :wink:

You have NO clue what my "prayers" are about...but, I can assure you they aren't for the child to be brought back from the dead.

Perhaps my "prayers" are a meditation of Ekongkar...how's that? *rolls eyes*

I "rest" my case...so let it REST in peace is all I'm saying. flowerforyou

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Sat 01/03/09 09:49 PM
Well, it's MY belief that a religion shouldn't cause the death of a child, whether it's directly or indirectly.

It's MY belief that autistics shouldn't be treated like dirt. No more of this bull**** trying to "cure" people when all that's happening is killing and injuring people. It's ridiculous. We're not your ****ing guinea pigs. We're people too, complete with *gasp* emotions AND empathy. Imagine that! Yes, I have EMPATHY for Jett. I almost cried when I heard about him. His parents can go crawl in a corner and rot for all I care.

I don't know where you get the idea that one has to be an MD to diagnose autism. Damn, MDs missed me, whoops! And for your information, I probably know more about autism spectrum disorders than anyone here, so shut your trap. When you spend 8 months researching it extensively (and I don't mean Wikipedia, I mean -real- sources, you know, BOOKS, peer-reviewed journals, and information straight from the autists' mouths - as well as personal experience). Am I legally qualified to dignose? NO, not yet, but before long I will be. And this is far from a legal diagnosis anyway.

Jett is not the first person to die from scientology, and he won't, unfortunately, be the last, either.

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Sat 01/03/09 10:15 PM

Well, it's MY belief that a religion shouldn't cause the death of a child, whether it's directly or indirectly.

It's MY belief that autistics shouldn't be treated like dirt. No more of this bull**** trying to "cure" people when all that's happening is killing and injuring people. It's ridiculous. We're not your ****ing guinea pigs. We're people too, complete with *gasp* emotions AND empathy. Imagine that! Yes, I have EMPATHY for Jett. I almost cried when I heard about him. His parents can go crawl in a corner and rot for all I care.

I don't know where you get the idea that one has to be an MD to diagnose autism. Damn, MDs missed me, whoops! And for your information, I probably know more about autism spectrum disorders than anyone here, so shut your trap. When you spend 8 months researching it extensively (and I don't mean Wikipedia, I mean -real- sources, you know, BOOKS, peer-reviewed journals, and information straight from the autists' mouths - as well as personal experience). Am I legally qualified to dignose? NO, not yet, but before long I will be. And this is far from a legal diagnosis anyway.

Jett is not the first person to die from scientology, and he won't, unfortunately, be the last, either.


Thank you for your post, but NO...I will NOT "shut my trap".

Who are you to say I do not have viable and PERSONAL sources for my knowledge on autism? How do you know what my educational, professional and personal background is?

You do not...but, I easily compiled from your few posts that are simply basing your opinion on what you have "read" in the media about this young man and his family's religion...and based your opposing post on such information.

Certainly, based on your last post, you have some form of "personal" experience to toss in the pile here...therefore, you are far too emotional to be objective on the topic, IMHO.

Am *I* legally qualified to diagnose either...NOPE! Just like YOU are not. So, we are even on that count. Agreed?

I'm truly sorry you were misdiagnosed...by a WHOOPS! Happens often...with cancer, lupus,bipolar depression, Hodkins, ALS, Fibromylgia...and a myriad of other conditions.

I 1,000,000% agree with you...that autistics shouldn't be treated like "dirt", much like anyone else with a disease. But, who are YOU to determine this child was treated as such simply because of his parents' religious beliefs? rant

You have no clue what his treatment was for his supposed conditions...nor do I. However, you and others seem so hell-bent on blaming something external and his "famous" parents on his demise before even knowing the true facts, which I find ludicrous and totally unfair! ohwell

Oh, and for the record, I am NOT a Scientoligist...however, I think it's interesting to note that not only that particular religion is exclusive to the thought of "medical treatment MAY not be necessary".

By the way...how about we ALL reserve any judgment until the facts are known, and better yet...until we ALL have been in the same situation.

Stones shatter a lot in a glass house, yanno? flowerforyou

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Sat 01/03/09 10:37 PM

But, who are YOU to determine this child was treated as such simply because of his parents' religious beliefs?



I'm not religious, so I don't know how religious people are. However, I'd imagine given the definition of religious, I would think that they are true to their beliefs, yes? Well, since scientology doesn't even acknowledge autism, thus he was presumed to have "psychosomatic" problems that were treated "spiritually" _ uh, yeah, sounds absolutely wonderful whoa Apparently scientology is backwards they don't even realize it's neurological, and not truly psychological.


Certainly, based on your last post, you have some form of "personal" experience to toss in the pile here...therefore, you are far too emotional to be objective on the topic, IMHO.


And yes, it is your opinion, and nothing more. However your argument is not logically sound. I can separate my emotions and my logic. Is it perfect? No, of course not. Nobody can be 100% logical 100% of the time. But to discount what I have to say on the basis of being "too emotional" is bull. I could just as easily say you're too neurotypical, or too young, or too old, or too hairy, or too tall, or too stupid to contribute, yet I don't.



Who are you to say I do not have viable and PERSONAL sources for my knowledge on autism? How do you know what my educational, professional and personal background is?


Well, if you DO have the knowledge and/or sources, I'd love to hear it. Then again, if you don't, looks like I was right. So which is it?

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Sat 01/03/09 10:40 PM

What I would also like to know, is where were his parents or anyone else for that matter? I would think you wouldn't leave a 16 year old with a disorder alone.


I was thinking that too. If you had a child that went into the bathroom Thursday night and you didn't see him come out, why would you wait until late Friday morning to check on him? And whether it was his parents or his caretaker, it doesn't matter, whoever was supposed to be responsible for him wasn't paying as close attention as they should have been. Even a healthy person could have had something happen in that time.

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