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Topic: Atheism and the Law
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Wed 12/31/08 07:21 AM
Edited by smiless on Wed 12/31/08 08:12 AM
Before I begin to talk about Atheism, I would like to start how man first came to religion in the first place. It is in simple writing and just an opinion that a Atheist would most likely support.

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Religion and belief in the god myth were ways for primitive man to explain his surroundings and his dreams. You have to imagine how difficult life would've been for early humans, not only trying to survive but also trying to understand what the heck was going on.

It gave man a feeling of security and control in their insecure world. Imagine the fear of a thunderstorm to primitive man, how could he possibly comprehend the cause and effect? So they started to conjure up images of superior beings controlling all things unexplainable. That evolved into "talking" to these superior beings and asking for assistance, then praying and worshipping. Sometimes their worship would be effective, some instances it wouldn't. Man couldn't comprehend his surroundings so the failure of prayer was because the prayer wasn't pure enough or strong enough.

Man was mostly nomadic and stayed within his small group. Religion provided a sense of community and belonging. It also provided religious leaders a way to control the population. It had evolutionary advantages that were passed on to subsequent generations.


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Today many people don't believe in old scriptures anymore and lean towards atheism, yet did you know that being an atheist is forbidden in some countries including in the United States and can even put you on death row in other countries.

The practice of Atheism is legal throughout most of the world, with the exceptions of China, the Muslim countries, Singapore, and the United States of America.

In another blatant attempt to suck up to the American government, Great Britain has expressed intentions to outlaw Atheism.

The treatment of Atheist suspects varies among the Muslim countries. In less tolerant nations such as Syria, Atheism is punishable by flogging or decapitation, depending on how devout the suspect is, whereas in more lenient, progressive nations such as Saudi Arabia, Atheism is largely overlooked when the suspects are male, but is punished by publically urinating on the perpetrator and then stoning her to death in the case of a female suspect.

In Singapore, punishment ranges from a two thousand dollar fine to death by electric chair, a policy similar to that of the state of Texas in the U.S. (I am still contemplating on this if it is true?) If you can research on this thank you.

When will humans understand that those who don't believe in a supernatural are people who have hearts, feelings, and morales no different then those who believe in a supernatural?

I shed a tear for those who find rightenous in hurting a person who doesn't believetears



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Wed 12/31/08 07:29 AM
You mention that Atheism is against the law in the USA, please tell me what laws it breaks.

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Wed 12/31/08 07:32 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 12/31/08 07:37 AM
The practice of Atheism is legal throughout most of the world, with the exceptions of China, the Muslim countries, Singapore, and the United States of America.


The "practice of Atheism?" How does one practice atheism?

Secondly, what law in the United States makes "the practice of atheism" illegal?



In another blatant attempt to suck up to the American government, Great Britain has expressed intentions to outlaw Atheism.


How does one outlaw Atheism? If this were so, we would constantly be asked what faith we were on job applications and and other documents and we might be arrested for not going to church.

Where do you get these ideas?


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Wed 12/31/08 07:33 AM

You mention that Atheism is against the law in the USA, please tell me what laws it breaks.


I want to know that too. As far as I know, there are many outspoken Atheists in this country. Hell, even dating sites allow that as an option when chosing your religion.

I am not certain, however I believe your information here is incorrect.

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Wed 12/31/08 07:35 AM
In Singapore, punishment ranges from a two thousand dollar fine to death by electric chair, a policy similar to that of the state of Texas in the U.S.


Since the remark about Texas is ridiculous, I can't believe what you have said about singapore either.

If you want to continue with this subject I suggest you sight some actual laws and actual cases regarding the State of Texas in the U.S.


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Wed 12/31/08 07:36 AM
Fortunately the Constitution says we should have the religious freedom to choose or not, yet if we research this a bit more we see that 7 states have put in anti-laws against Atheist belief systems.

There's seven of them.

Arkansas, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. They all have different clauses in their respective constitutions which say that people who don't believe in God (or, alternatively, A Supreme Being) can't hold public offices.

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Article 19, Section 1: "No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any court".

2 Declaration of Rights, Art. 36: "...nor shall any person, otherwise competent, be deemed incompetent as a witness, or juror, on account of his religious belief; provided, he believes in the existence of God..."
Declaration of Rights, Art. 37: "That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution. "

3 Article 6, Section 8: "The following persons shall be disqualified for office:
First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God. "

4 Article 1, Section 4: "No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth."

5 Article 6, Section 4: "No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."

6 Article 9, Section 2: "No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this State. "

7 Article 1, Section 4: "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."
Article 4, Section 2: "No person shall be eligible to the office of Governor who denies the existence of the Supreme Being...."
Article 6, Section 2: "No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."


Fortunately these laws aren't taken to seriously for not many cases have been in court concerning atheists and what they don't believe.






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Wed 12/31/08 07:37 AM
The law does indeed protect people from religious discrimination - but it only protects people who "acknowledge the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments", meaning that you're free to discriminate against atheists without repercussions.

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Wed 12/31/08 07:39 AM
In 1993, Herb Silverman, professor of math at the College of Charleston, tried to apply as notary public. In the pre-printed application there was an oath he had to sign, which ended with "so help me God". He crossed out the "God". His application was thus turned down.

Herb contacted the ACLU. They filed a lawsuit against the state of South Carolina. It took 4 whole years, but in 1997 the state Supreme Court ruled that the law was unconstitutional as it violated both the first and the sixth amendment.


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Wed 12/31/08 07:43 AM
Although it has become tradition for US presidents to end their Presidential Oath with "so help me God", this is not required by the Constitution.

However, the Vice President, the House of Representatives, the Senate, the members of the Cabinet, and all other civil and military officers and federal employees other than the President are required to take an oath ending with "so help me God."


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Wed 12/31/08 07:48 AM

Fortunately the Constitution says we should have the religious freedom to choose or not, yet if we research this a bit more we see that 7 states have put in anti-laws against Atheist belief systems.

There's seven of them.

Arkansas, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. They all have different clauses in their respective constitutions which say that people who don't believe in God (or, alternatively, A Supreme Being) can't hold public offices.

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Article 19, Section 1: "No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any court".

2 Declaration of Rights, Art. 36: "...nor shall any person, otherwise competent, be deemed incompetent as a witness, or juror, on account of his religious belief; provided, he believes in the existence of God..."
Declaration of Rights, Art. 37: "That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God; nor shall the Legislature prescribe any other oath of office than the oath prescribed by this Constitution. "

3 Article 6, Section 8: "The following persons shall be disqualified for office:
First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God. "

4 Article 1, Section 4: "No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth."

5 Article 6, Section 4: "No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."

6 Article 9, Section 2: "No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this State. "

7 Article 1, Section 4: "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."
Article 4, Section 2: "No person shall be eligible to the office of Governor who denies the existence of the Supreme Being...."
Article 6, Section 2: "No person who denies the existence of the Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution."


Fortunately these laws aren't taken to seriously for not many cases have been in court concerning atheists and what they don't believe.




There are many old laws still on the books that are ignored because it would take too much time and money to change them.

Even so, the laws you sited are not laws against being an atheist. They are simply laws supporting prejudice against atheists.

A law against atheism would have the power to arrest a person and put them in jail for not believing in God. There are no such laws.


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Wed 12/31/08 07:54 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 12/31/08 08:31 AM

The law does indeed protect people from religious discrimination - but it only protects people who "acknowledge the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments", meaning that you're free to discriminate against atheists without repercussions.


People are still free to discriminate against gays too.

It is unfortunate for atheists that this kind of discrimination exists.

The Universal Life Church originally was a protest against this kind of discrimination where churches were exempt from paying taxes. It originally was said to worship money. But it gives ordained ministers the right to decide what they want to believe and worship (and be exempt from paying taxes if they formed a non-profit corporation for their church.)

Even an atheist can become an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church.


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Wed 12/31/08 07:54 AM
Although they are old and weak laws one cannot take it so lightly in my opinion. They should take them out immediately. I still believe Atheists suffer discrimination occassionally and are scolded on today. The United States is a huge country and it applies differently for each state.

Now concerning other countries trust me on this one Jeannie that they have less tolerance for those who believe in nothing.

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Wed 12/31/08 08:05 AM
Edited by smiless on Wed 12/31/08 08:08 AM

The law does indeed protect people from religious discrimination - but it only protects people who "acknowledge the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments", meaning that you're free to discriminate against atheists without repercussions.


This one really bothers me. It says that a religious person can discriminate against a atheist without repercussions, yet what if a atheist discriminates a religous person? What would their punishment be?

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Wed 12/31/08 08:09 AM
Edited by smiless on Wed 12/31/08 08:12 AM
The Bill of Rights of the Texas Constitution (Article I, Section 4) allows people to be excluded from holding office on religious grounds. An official may be "excluded from holding office" if she/he does not "acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."

This would specifically exclude all Atheists and Agnostics from holding public office. It would also exclude:

Most Buddhists, who do not believe in a personal deity.

Members of the Church of Satan; they are typically Agnostics.

Most Unitarian Universalists.

Some followers of the New Age who do not believe in the existence of a personal deity.

However, Wiccans and Zoroastrians are acceptable, as they believe in two deities -- twice as many as the minimum that Section 4 requires.

Hindus would also be good enough because they generally acknowledge the existence of millions of deities.

The number, gender, shape, size and other attributes do not matter, as long as you believe that a Supreme Being of some sort exists.




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Wed 12/31/08 08:25 AM
In the 1988 U.S. presidential campaign, Republican presidential candidate George H. W. Bush said,

"I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God Even though he is a satanist who has been part of a secret society that is satanic called the skull and crossbones that he had joined in is college and still is part of this group, sick huh."


I ask myself how many people he help convince to vote for him because of this speech at the time?



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Wed 12/31/08 08:33 AM
Are you an Atheist? Do you live in the state of Massachusetts? If you answered 'Yes' to both of these questions, you could be facing up to a one year imprisonment and three hundred dollar fine for your transgression.

File this one under insane, obscure, unconstitutional laws that are probably never enforced.

Chapter 272: Section 36. of the General Laws of Massachusetts states:

"Whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior."

It makes you wonder how laws like this could have ever been passed and why they are not repealed.

I know this law would never be enforced, but I do think that the valuable time of our politicians could be spent better looking through the existing laws and repealing ones like this that are never enforced and are blatantly unconstitutional.

This would be a far more constructive expenditure of their time than their current actions. Declaring the watermelon the official state vegetable, for example, is just a waste of time.

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Wed 12/31/08 08:37 AM

Although they are old and weak laws one cannot take it so lightly in my opinion. They should take them out immediately. I still believe Atheists suffer discrimination occassionally and are scolded on today. The United States is a huge country and it applies differently for each state.

Now concerning other countries trust me on this one Jeannie that they have less tolerance for those who believe in nothing.


It is not just that they believe in no God, but more that they do not believe in a certain established religion.

This kind of influence is one that was put into play by our alien creators to train humans to worship and obey a higher power as they can wield power over people this way.

The Pope wields the most power because his office was originally set up to be the voice of God. This gives men the power of gods. It is wrong.

This same kind of thinking trickles down into societies. An atheist holds his own power because he does not bend or bow to a higher authority. This is why governments and organizations like the Masons don't like atheists.

The only qualification for becoming a Mason is that you believe in a higher power. The reason for this is because they want unquestioning obedience.


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Wed 12/31/08 08:42 AM

In the 1988 U.S. presidential campaign, Republican presidential candidate George H. W. Bush said,

"I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God Even though he is a satanist who has been part of a secret society that is satanic called the skull and crossbones that he had joined in is college and still is part of this group, sick huh."


I ask myself how many people he help convince to vote for him because of this speech at the time?



I believe you are confusing the Luciferian cult with Satanism.
Although some might call the Luciferian cult Satanism, the Antone Levey group of Satanist are not anything like the Luciferian cults.

I believe the Luciferian cults and other dark cults are alien influenced by the Draconian blood lines. (The dragon races)


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Wed 12/31/08 08:45 AM
actually let me rephrase that. Atheist do believe in the life they are living now so "nothing" was incorrect of me to say.

They don't believe in a God.


Yes humans have ways to figure out how to control the masses. It is a sad story.

Here is another article on atheist discrimination problem in Indonesia.

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/673/atheism-crime/


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Wed 12/31/08 08:46 AM


In the 1988 U.S. presidential campaign, Republican presidential candidate George H. W. Bush said,

"I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God Even though he is a satanist who has been part of a secret society that is satanic called the skull and crossbones that he had joined in is college and still is part of this group, sick huh."


I ask myself how many people he help convince to vote for him because of this speech at the time?



I believe you are confusing the Luciferian cult with Satanism.
Although some might call the Luciferian cult Satanism, the Antone Levey group of Satanist are not anything like the Luciferian cults.

I believe the Luciferian cults and other dark cults are alien influenced by the Draconian blood lines. (The dragon races)




It surely seems like it.

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