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Topic: Abstienence & Ignorance
Winx's photo
Tue 12/30/08 01:13 PM

Too much to quote Winx.


Yes that too.


I can't un-quote them very well.grumble

deke's photo
Tue 12/30/08 01:16 PM
i have a 13yr old daughter who i asked this very question and her reply was that it makes kids think more about having sex than it does if it's not mentioned.
she said that it makes it sound alright as long as you use protection.

i think it's sad that we as a society have become so open to everything that our kids know more about sex and drugs by 13yrs old than we did at 20

they pass out condoms and drug pamplets in middle schools.when did it become the schools job to educate our kids on these subjects

oh yeah the lack of stability in our homes

LOOK WHERE ALL THIS FREEDOM HAS LEAD US

Winx's photo
Tue 12/30/08 01:32 PM

i have a 13yr old daughter who i asked this very question and her reply was that it makes kids think more about having sex than it does if it's not mentioned.
she said that it makes it sound alright as long as you use protection.

i think it's sad that we as a society have become so open to everything that our kids know more about sex and drugs by 13yrs old than we did at 20

they pass out condoms and drug pamplets in middle schools.when did it become the schools job to educate our kids on these subjects

oh yeah the lack of stability in our homes

LOOK WHERE ALL THIS FREEDOM HAS LEAD US



I have a child too. I don't think ignorance is the answer.

I believe that they should be given all of the information so they are able to make better choices.

Btw, I sure hope you were educated about sex and drugs by the age of 20.

deke's photo
Tue 12/30/08 03:46 PM


i have a 13yr old daughter who i asked this very question and her reply was that it makes kids think more about having sex than it does if it's not mentioned.
she said that it makes it sound alright as long as you use protection.

i think it's sad that we as a society have become so open to everything that our kids know more about sex and drugs by 13yrs old than we did at 20

they pass out condoms and drug pamplets in middle schools.when did it become the schools job to educate our kids on these subjects

oh yeah the lack of stability in our homes

LOOK WHERE ALL THIS FREEDOM HAS LEAD US



I have a child too. I don't think ignorance is the answer.

I believe that they should be given all of the information so they are able to make better choices.

Btw, I sure hope you were educated about sex and drugs by the age of 20.
i never said ignorance was the answer i just believe it's a parents job to inform their kids and not the schools.
it would be a great world if people didn't know about sex and drugs before 20.oh yeah btw
i guess an well rounded woman as yourself was more than familiar with these things (isn't that ashame)please don't be a smartass i was trying to make a point so if you don't want me to then please contain yourself or i promise you'll definatly not like my next one

Winx's photo
Tue 12/30/08 03:53 PM



i have a 13yr old daughter who i asked this very question and her reply was that it makes kids think more about having sex than it does if it's not mentioned.
she said that it makes it sound alright as long as you use protection.

i think it's sad that we as a society have become so open to everything that our kids know more about sex and drugs by 13yrs old than we did at 20

they pass out condoms and drug pamplets in middle schools.when did it become the schools job to educate our kids on these subjects

oh yeah the lack of stability in our homes

LOOK WHERE ALL THIS FREEDOM HAS LEAD US



I have a child too. I don't think ignorance is the answer.

I believe that they should be given all of the information so they are able to make better choices.

Btw, I sure hope you were educated about sex and drugs by the age of 20.
i never said ignorance was the answer i just believe it's a parents job to inform their kids and not the schools.
it would be a great world if people didn't know about sex and drugs before 20.oh yeah btw
i guess an well rounded woman as yourself was more than familiar with these things (isn't that ashame)please don't be a smartass i was trying to make a point so if you don't want me to then please contain yourself or i promise you'll definatly not like my next one


I wasn't trying to be a smarta$$. I've never heard of a 20 yr. old not knowing about sex and drugs. It would be sad if they didn't.

Are you saying that it's a shame that I heard about sex and drugs before I was 20?

You say it would be great if people didn't know before 20? I don't see how we can get around it. The hormones start calling way before then. I would be happy if kids didn't have to think about those things before they got out of elementary school.

deke's photo
Tue 12/30/08 04:01 PM




i have a 13yr old daughter who i asked this very question and her reply was that it makes kids think more about having sex than it does if it's not mentioned.
she said that it makes it sound alright as long as you use protection.

i think it's sad that we as a society have become so open to everything that our kids know more about sex and drugs by 13yrs old than we did at 20

they pass out condoms and drug pamplets in middle schools.when did it become the schools job to educate our kids on these subjects

oh yeah the lack of stability in our homes

LOOK WHERE ALL THIS FREEDOM HAS LEAD US



I have a child too. I don't think ignorance is the answer.

I believe that they should be given all of the information so they are able to make better choices.

Btw, I sure hope you were educated about sex and drugs by the age of 20.
i never said ignorance was the answer i just believe it's a parents job to inform their kids and not the schools.
it would be a great world if people didn't know about sex and drugs before 20.oh yeah btw
i guess an well rounded woman as yourself was more than familiar with these things (isn't that ashame)please don't be a smartass i was trying to make a point so if you don't want me to then please contain yourself or i promise you'll definatly not like my next one


I wasn't trying to be a smarta$$. I've never heard of a 20 yr. old not knowing about sex and drugs. It would be sad if they didn't.

Are you saying that it's a shame that I heard about sex and drugs before I was 20?

You say it would be great if people didn't know before 20? I don't see how we can get around it. The hormones start calling way before then. I would be happy if kids didn't have to think about those things before they got out of elementary school.
it would be great if they didn't know and there is a big difference between being curious and knowing the facts i KNOW that is the problem kids know to much.i blame parents for this because kids are exposed to a great many things that their minds shouldn't even have to consider
thanks for that reply i respect that

Winx's photo
Tue 12/30/08 04:07 PM









I wasn't trying to be a smarta$$. I've never heard of a 20 yr. old not knowing about sex and drugs. It would be sad if they didn't.

Are you saying that it's a shame that I heard about sex and drugs before I was 20?

You say it would be great if people didn't know before 20? I don't see how we can get around it. The hormones start calling way before then. I would be happy if kids didn't have to think about those things before they got out of elementary school.
it would be great if they didn't know and there is a big difference between being curious and knowing the facts i KNOW that is the problem kids know to much.i blame parents for this because kids are exposed to a great many things that their minds shouldn't even have to consider
thanks for that reply i respect that


I made sure that my child wasn't exposed to things until the age appropriate time.

With what you are saying: I knew about sex years before I acted upon it. Just because I knew about it didn't mean that I did it.

The questions do start when the children learn about their bodies, btw.

deke's photo
Tue 12/30/08 04:14 PM










I wasn't trying to be a smarta$$. I've never heard of a 20 yr. old not knowing about sex and drugs. It would be sad if they didn't.

Are you saying that it's a shame that I heard about sex and drugs before I was 20?

You say it would be great if people didn't know before 20? I don't see how we can get around it. The hormones start calling way before then. I would be happy if kids didn't have to think about those things before they got out of elementary school.
it would be great if they didn't know and there is a big difference between being curious and knowing the facts i KNOW that is the problem kids know to much.i blame parents for this because kids are exposed to a great many things that their minds shouldn't even have to consider
thanks for that reply i respect that


I made sure that my child wasn't exposed to things until the age appropriate time.

With what you are saying: I knew about sex years before I acted upon it. Just because I knew about it didn't mean that I did it.

The questions do start when the children learn about their bodies, btw.
you are an exception from most i've seen as far as age appropriate time.but i'd rather my kids talk about with me rather than some teachers opinion.and yes i do know kids talk about it with each other that's how i first learned until i got the nerve up to ask my dad.
i think about that and want my kids to feel comfortable enough to ask me also.
kids just see so much that sex,drugs,murder..etc doesn't faze them at all

Winx's photo
Tue 12/30/08 04:26 PM











I wasn't trying to be a smarta$$. I've never heard of a 20 yr. old not knowing about sex and drugs. It would be sad if they didn't.

Are you saying that it's a shame that I heard about sex and drugs before I was 20?

You say it would be great if people didn't know before 20? I don't see how we can get around it. The hormones start calling way before then. I would be happy if kids didn't have to think about those things before they got out of elementary school.
it would be great if they didn't know and there is a big difference between being curious and knowing the facts i KNOW that is the problem kids know to much.i blame parents for this because kids are exposed to a great many things that their minds shouldn't even have to consider
thanks for that reply i respect that


I made sure that my child wasn't exposed to things until the age appropriate time.

With what you are saying: I knew about sex years before I acted upon it. Just because I knew about it didn't mean that I did it.

The questions do start when the children learn about their bodies, btw.
you are an exception from most i've seen as far as age appropriate time.but i'd rather my kids talk about with me rather than some teachers opinion.and yes i do know kids talk about it with each other that's how i first learned until i got the nerve up to ask my dad.
i think about that and want my kids to feel comfortable enough to ask me also.
kids just see so much that sex,drugs,murder..etc doesn't faze them at all


My child's school has a health class. They learn about the human body then. They don't teach sex ed. It is not a public school.

I do make sure that my child does not see sex, drugs, murder, etc. It's the Disney channel only. They don't even watch the news. They are asleep then.

deke's photo
Tue 12/30/08 04:29 PM












I wasn't trying to be a smarta$$. I've never heard of a 20 yr. old not knowing about sex and drugs. It would be sad if they didn't.

Are you saying that it's a shame that I heard about sex and drugs before I was 20?

You say it would be great if people didn't know before 20? I don't see how we can get around it. The hormones start calling way before then. I would be happy if kids didn't have to think about those things before they got out of elementary school.
it would be great if they didn't know and there is a big difference between being curious and knowing the facts i KNOW that is the problem kids know to much.i blame parents for this because kids are exposed to a great many things that their minds shouldn't even have to consider
thanks for that reply i respect that


I made sure that my child wasn't exposed to things until the age appropriate time.

With what you are saying: I knew about sex years before I acted upon it. Just because I knew about it didn't mean that I did it.

The questions do start when the children learn about their bodies, btw.
you are an exception from most i've seen as far as age appropriate time.but i'd rather my kids talk about with me rather than some teachers opinion.and yes i do know kids talk about it with each other that's how i first learned until i got the nerve up to ask my dad.
i think about that and want my kids to feel comfortable enough to ask me also.
kids just see so much that sex,drugs,murder..etc doesn't faze them at all


My child's school has a health class. They learn about the human body then. They don't teach sex ed. It is not a public school.

I do make sure that my child does not see sex, drugs, murder, etc. It's the Disney channel only. They don't even watch the news. They are asleep then.
i applaud you for that
GREAT GOING should be more people like you

Winx's photo
Tue 12/30/08 04:35 PM













I wasn't trying to be a smarta$$. I've never heard of a 20 yr. old not knowing about sex and drugs. It would be sad if they didn't.

Are you saying that it's a shame that I heard about sex and drugs before I was 20?

You say it would be great if people didn't know before 20? I don't see how we can get around it. The hormones start calling way before then. I would be happy if kids didn't have to think about those things before they got out of elementary school.
it would be great if they didn't know and there is a big difference between being curious and knowing the facts i KNOW that is the problem kids know to much.i blame parents for this because kids are exposed to a great many things that their minds shouldn't even have to consider
thanks for that reply i respect that


I made sure that my child wasn't exposed to things until the age appropriate time.

With what you are saying: I knew about sex years before I acted upon it. Just because I knew about it didn't mean that I did it.

The questions do start when the children learn about their bodies, btw.
you are an exception from most i've seen as far as age appropriate time.but i'd rather my kids talk about with me rather than some teachers opinion.and yes i do know kids talk about it with each other that's how i first learned until i got the nerve up to ask my dad.
i think about that and want my kids to feel comfortable enough to ask me also.
kids just see so much that sex,drugs,murder..etc doesn't faze them at all


My child's school has a health class. They learn about the human body then. They don't teach sex ed. It is not a public school.

I do make sure that my child does not see sex, drugs, murder, etc. It's the Disney channel only. They don't even watch the news. They are asleep then.
i applaud you for that
GREAT GOING should be more people like you


A child should have not to worry about such things. They are a child for only a short while.flowerforyou

Giocamo's photo
Wed 12/31/08 07:25 AM
Today Show Ignores Counterpoint in Major Teen Sex Study
NBC’s morning show hosts comprehensive sex education advocate and fails to mention problems with the study.

By Erin Brown
Culture & Media Institute
December 29, 2008

The award for “Worst Bias by Omission” goes to NBC’s “Today” for discussing only one side of a “virginity pledge” survey. The nation-wide survey, released today by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, found that teens that make “abstinence pledges” are just as likely as “non-pledgers” to engage in sexual behavior before marriage.

In their coverage of the study, MSNBC and The New York Times offered counter viewpoints given by abstinence education proponents who take issue with the conclusions drawn by the Bloomberg School’s Janet E. Rosenbaum “It is remarkable that an author who employs rigorous research methodology would then compromise those standards by making wild, ideologically tainted and inaccurate analysis regarding the content of abstinence education programs," said Valerie Huber of the National Abstinence Education Association, who was quoted in the MSNBC article by Rob Stein.

But “Today” would have none of it. Instead of a healthy debate between two experts, viewers were subjected to an interview featuring sex therapist Dr. Laura Berman.

“Uh, and this is something that uh, you know, it’s exciting because the Obama administration is much more supportive of comprehensive sex education that obviously includes abstinence but also doesn’t put our heads in the sand about the realities of teenagers and feelings of infallibility and immortality that most teenagers have,” said Berman to host Meredith Vieira. Berman is an outspoken supporter of comprehensive sex education and boasts that her website is the “ultimate source for better sex and intimacy at any age.”

“Today’s” one-sided treatment of the study fits a troubling pattern in coverage of the debate about sex education. In September, the media echoed then-candidate Barack Obama’s denial that he favored comprehensive sex education for kindergarteners instead of investigating his claim.

James Joyner, author of the popular blog “Outside the Beltway,” also noted a lack of media coverage of the benefits of virginity pledges. “Back in 2005 several other studies showed that people who took the pledges in fact had lower rates of STDs, and engaged in fewer risky behaviors. Something that MSNBC omits.”


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