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Yes Jeannie..... When we become born again , we become the Children of God.... who in turn, grow up and mature.. and become LIKE God.... but we Never Never Never BECOME GOD. So then you agree that we, as children of God will grow up to become supreme beings. And as I have stated to you before, when I grow up as a human, I don't BECOME MY FATHER OR MOTHER. So I don't expect to BECOME GOD. I do however, expect to become a supreme being like God. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 12/01/08 10:29 PM
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Yes Jeannie..... When we become born again , we become the Children of God.... who in turn, grow up and mature.. and become LIKE God.... but we Never Never Never BECOME GOD. So then you agree that we, as children of God will grow up to become supreme beings. And as I have stated to you before, when I grow up as a human, I don't BECOME MY FATHER OR MOTHER. So I don't expect to BECOME GOD. I do however, expect to become a supreme being like God. Yes Jeannie.... But There is still however..... one key here : The ONLY way to be able to BECOME LIKE GOD THE FATHER ..... is to FIRST BECOME BORN OF GOD!!! .....NO Other Way......  
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 12/02/08 12:43 AM
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Abra...
As mentioned before, I know many many unbelievers .... who are the some of the sweetest and kindest people there are!!! BUT..... no matter how kind and sweet people are (and MOST people I know ARE)... EVERY person is still born with a sin nature..... because we all come from Adam. And AS A RESULT..... that sin nature SEPARATES us Spiritually from God!!! BUT.... GOOD NEWS!!!!! God Made a WAY for Us ALL .... to Be SPIRITUALLY RECONNECTED BACK WITH GOD. AND THAT IS THRU ACCEPTING CHRIST JESUS.... WHO IS THE WAY BACK TO GOD. AND THEN WHEN WE DO...... THAT OLD SIN NATURE IS NO LONGER THERE!!!! IT'S GONE!!!!! CAUSE IT IS NOW UNDER THE BLOOD !!!! (BECAUSE WHEN JESUS SHED HIS BLOOD FOR US ON THAT CROSS... HE NOT ONLY GAVE HIS LIFE FOR US...... BUT JESUS ALSO BORE ALLLL OUR SINS ON THAT CROSS FOR US!!!) .....AND SO THERFORE..... GOD ONLY SEES THE BLOOD NOW ..... IF AND WHEN WE MESS UP.... AS WE ALL WILL STILL DO FROM TIME TO TIME. POINT BEING, ABRA..... NO MATTER HOW NICE WE ARE.... AND YES..... LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE .... WE ALL STILL NEED TO BE SAVED (BORN AGAIN).... IN ORDER FOR OUR OLD SIN NATURE TO BE WASHED IN THE BLOOD AND FORGIVEN AND FOREVER GONE !!!! THEN ..... THAT IS WHEN WE BECOME NEW CREATURES IN CHRIST JESUS... BORN OF GOD.... AND OF THE SECOND ADAM.... JESUS CHRIST!!!!
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Jeannie.....
Here are Some Scriptures to back up what I mentioned earlier.... About Believers Reigning and Ruling with Christ. Believers also will be the priests of God and Christ. (This is when Christ comes to Reign with His Saints over the Earth). (point in sharing this ,again.... is to show that believers are not going to just be sitting around idle... for all eternity.... doing absolutely nothing)  Here are the Scriptures Now, Jeannie... Be Blessed Now Revelations 5:9-10 Revelations 20:6 Revelations 20:4 note: ( the Word is made clearer by reading the entire chapters... 5 ,19, and 20 of Revelations): |
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<-- Thinks the Bible is the inspired word of God.
He created the Heavens and the Earth. The world that then was and the world that is now. I believe he could handle inspiring men to write down what he needed them too. Gods word is the same today, and always. It is how it is taught by some that creates divisions/denominations |
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Jeanniebean
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Tue 12/02/08 08:22 AM
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Yes Jeannie..... When we become born again , we become the Children of God.... who in turn, grow up and mature.. and become LIKE God.... but we Never Never Never BECOME GOD. So then you agree that we, as children of God will grow up to become supreme beings. And as I have stated to you before, when I grow up as a human, I don't BECOME MY FATHER OR MOTHER. So I don't expect to BECOME GOD. I do however, expect to become a supreme being like God. Yes Jeannie.... But There is still however..... one key here : The ONLY way to be able to BECOME LIKE GOD THE FATHER ..... is to FIRST BECOME BORN OF GOD!!! .....NO Other Way...... You stated that we were all "God's Children" didn't you? Then we are all "born of God." If we are God's children then we are born of God. A gift is not a gift when there are strings attached. If God gave his son to die on the cross for mankind, then he died for all of mankind. That means everyone. No strings attached. I would say to him, "Thank you very much. Now let me live my life in freedom." I don't feel obligated to do anything but to live my life in freedom as God intended. I don't join religions, I don't buy into their varied different doctrines or creeds. They are all different and they can't all be right, so they must all be wrong. I am free to live and love, and I am suspicious of anyone who tells me what I must do or what I must not do to gain favor with God. I will decide my life not some church. If, through all the myths and stories somewhere, some God really died to save mankind from destruction, I am very grateful. I know that many good and holy men have given their lives for humanity and I am grateful for each and every one of them. jb |
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The author of the message below, just tells it like it is. I must warn you , He is a bit ruff( I prefer being kind no matter what), but I believe his Words speak the TRUTH nonetheless , and thus needed to be heard by ALL. Mostly, the reason this word needs to be heard , is because the Time is short, and the enemy is busy trying to devour all he can , in these final last days. Here is the Message now. Be Blessed Everyone Now. ......Is The Bible God's Word?....... ( by David J. Stewart ) "All Scripture is given by Inspiration of God, and is Profitable for Doctrine, for Reproof, for Correction, for Instruction in Righteousness:" - 2nd Timothy 3:16 Evidence That the Bible is God's Word: Because it claims to be (as read in our Scripture above). Because It hits the nail right on the head concerning the sinfulness of mankind. 2nd Timothy 3:1-7 reads, " This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Mankind is evil through and through. The humanists say man can improve. The New Age gang says that we can become gods. Evolutionists claim we all came from apes (with NO proof whatsoever). The Mormons say we can become gods. Do you think the American Psychiatric Association is going to tell you that you're a sinner on your way to Hell if you die in your sins? No! This is NOT JUST RELIGION MY FRIEND , this is YOUR LIFE!!! What Book is there on this earth that gives you the PLAIN TRUTH about mankind and life? THE WORD OF GOD is the ONLY ANSWER!!! The Bible plainly teaches that man is prone to destruction because man has a sin-nature (Romans 3:10,23;5:12;7:21). Archaeology is in agreement with the Word of God. Not one spadefull of dirt has ever been uncovered to disprove the Word of God. In fact, many Archaeological expeditions have provided substantial evidence in support of Biblical claims. We don't need Archeology to prove the Bible, the Bible is evidence enough by itself. Yet, here are more proofs if you need them. The Bible Itself is all the evidence I need. The Bible is scientifically accurate. Isaiah 40:22 declares that the earth is round. Leviticus 17:11 declares that the life is in the blood. For centuries doctors foolishly drained the blood out of their patients resulting in certain death. The Bible also mentions astronomy, Job 9:9 mentions Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades. Proverb 17:22 teaches that good health is directly linked to being happy. Psychiatrists offices are overflowing today with the stressed out people. Happiness can only come from being SAVED and Living for the TRUTH of GOD'S WORD. The Bible was miraculously written. The Bible was written over a 1,500 year period by 40 different men as GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT MOVED THRU THEM!!! There is NO earthly way possible that so many men (most of whom never met each other), could have written so many different books in different styles that all perfectly merge into one meaningful Book, BUT.... WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!!!!! The world's hatred for the Word of God. John 3:20 reads, "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." This is why the unsaved world hates Jesus Christ and His Word so intensely, because They expose sin! NO book on this planet is hated anywhere near as much as the Bible. Most people hate the Truth. Speaking the Truth is a fast way to make enemies, "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?. " The world hated Jesus without a cause because He spoke the Truth (John 15:25). The world's hatred for Christians. Jesus said, "I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world" -John 17:14. I've been despised and hated my whole life because of my Christian testimony. I know what it's like to be ostracized by others, to be lied about, to be called a hypocrite, to be laughed at and ridiculed, to be the black sheep of the family. But I know God will make everything right in Heaven. Jesus told us that we'd be hated. It's really Jesus and the Bible that they hate, not us. I'm not going to feel bad about something that God said would happen. I don't like to be hated, but I love the Truth and want to please God by proclaiming It far and wide. The attack from false religions. The book of Koran is a jumbled mess containing no prophecy at all. The Koran attacks Christians, Jews, and the doctrines of the Bible. The Jehovah Witnesses (JW's) claim that Michael the archangel became Jesus. They deny Christ's deity. The Mormons deny Christ's deity. The Catholics pervert the Bible by teaching the necessity of the sacraments for salvation, etc. Wiccan witches reject the Word of God as fables. New Agers teach that there are millions of ways to God, just follow the light; but the Word of God proclaims that there is ONLY ONE WAY TO HEAVEN and that's through JESUS CHRIST!!! Every false religion in one way or another twists and corrupts the Word of God. The attack is AGAINST the WORD OF GOD!!! The woeful condition of the world. The Bible clearly teaches that Satan is the "god" of this world (2nd Corinthians 4:4). John 10:10 plainly declares that the Devil only comes to kill, steal, and destroy. It's obvious that there are evil forces at work beyond human suffering and war. Most people believe in God and Satan, so why is it so hard to accept the idea that GOD WOULD WANT TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIS CREATION?? (Humanity) It doesn't surprise me that spoiled Americans would deny the existence of God and Satan, but ask anyone in a third world nation if they believe. Pride blinds men's eyes. 1st John 5:19 declares that the whole world lieth in wickedness. The existence of Satanists and occult groups. The fact that all these Satanic groups, like the Church of Satan are proof of Satan. Wicca witches deny the existence of Satan, but Biblically they are of Satan. Just because they deny the Devil doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Hitler was known to levitate above the floor. He was infatuated with the occult. America is plagued with occult groups such as Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, Freemasonry, and many more. Freemasonry commonly displays an upside down pentagram representing the Devil. They worship the great architect, Baphomet (Satan). Just look online at some of the witchcraft websites speaking about spells, charms, astral projection, astrology, etc. The Bible clearly FORBIDS such activities (Deuteronomy 18:10; 1st Samuel 15:23; Isaiah 47:13, Ephesians 5:11). The Holy Spirit in my heart. Romans 8:9 reads, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." And Romans 8:16, "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:" What a wonderful Truth, God's Holy Spirit lives within the body of every believer. I know that the Bible is God's Word because the Holy Spirit within my body tells me so. It's not something I can describe. All I can say is that when I read the Word of God, it all makes perfect sense to me. I thank God for His Precious Word! All of the modern corrupt Bibles. The fact that Satan is trying to eradicate the Truth by corrupting It's contents speaks volumes. The fact that every modern Bible diminishes the deity of Christ, the blood atonement, the Godhead, and many other doctrines as compared to the King James Bible is evidence that the Bible is indeed God's Word. Sadly, even many believers have bought into the Devil's lie of swapping their trustworthy King James Bible for a perversion like the New International Version which completely removes the words "Godhead," "sodomites," and even "begotten" in John 3:16. It is so obvious that Satan is relentlessly attacking God's Word. Man wouldn't have written the bible. Man couldn't have written the Bible if he wanted to, and wouldn't if he could have. Why would men write a book condemning themselves? Not one book throughout history even comes near to the Bible's description of mankind. Jeremiah 17:9 reads, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" What man could write such a thing? The lie of evolution. The fact that evolution is taught as if it were a fact all across the world is evidence of man's unwillingness to learn the Truth. Evolution has no scientific basis, it cannot be tested or studied. Evolution is NOT science, but a mere theory of atheist conjectures. If the Bible is not true, then why is mankind desperately trying to hide his ignorance concerning creation. There is NO answer which makes sense EXCEPT GOD!! Evolution is proof of one thing, that man is afraid of the Truth. A man recently sent me a letter asking how I knew the Bible was God's Word. He said that the Bible contained many contradictions that confused him. A simple web search under "Alleged Bible Discrepancies" will provide hundreds of links to answer any skeptics questions. Googling just the above alone , provided 701 links. Several excellent books have been written on this issue which will also show up in any web search under "Alleged Bible Discrepancies." The problem is that a lot of people want to argue, they're belligerent. They DON'T want to learn the TRUTH, they just want to argue what they believe. I don't argue with people, I generally just send them Bible verses. Let them argue with God. The gentleman who wrote me also asked how Noah was able to provide Eucalyptus plants for the Koala's on the ark. He also wanted to know why the tower of Babel was an issue when planes today fly much higher than the tower of Babel could have been built. Then he asked where Cain got his wife. I sent him the following Scripture... "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself." -Titus 3:9-11 The word "subverted" simply means that he is destroyed of himself. He is corrupted to the point where he is unreasonable. You can't logic with him because he has become his own worst enemy. The Word of God directs us NOT to answer questions which have no answer... "But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes." -2nd Timothy 2:23 I don't try to answer questions that have no obvious answer. The Apostle Paul clearly said that God has only provided us with a limited understanding, "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known" -1st Corinthians 13:12. Too many believers try to answer questions which do not need to be answered. I'm not going to try to figure out where Cain's wife came from. Does it matter? To the godless reprobate that is already biased against God's Word, you've got to prove everything to him or else he claims he won't believe. The truth of the matter is that he wouldn't believe anyway even if you could prove it to him. Abraham told the rich man in Hell concerning his brothers still living, "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead" -Luke 16:31. What is Proof? I get all sorts of letters from people wanting "proof" that the Bible is God's Word. What is "proof." Is it not relevant? Proof is based upon evidence. The evidence that I might consider as "proof" of something may not be enough evidence for you. You can present the same evidence to 10 different people and they may not all except it as proof. Hence, some people believed that the earth was round hundreds of years ago simply because Isaiah 40:22 said that it was (or because they saw that the moon was round). Yet, there were also plenty of skeptics back then who adamantly proclaimed that they'd go to their graves believing that the earth was flat. Everyone who believed the earth was flat was wrong, but they were sincerely wrong. Likewise, many people today are sincerely wrong about the Word of God. To me, the WORD OF GOD itself is PROOF ENOUGH that It is the ETERNAL INSPIRED INFALLIBLE INCORRUPTIBLE PRESERVED WORD OF GOD!!! If it is not enough proof for you, then your fate is in your own hands. I receive so many letters from people who want to argue over foolishness. They don't really want to find the Truth of God's Word. Arguing, like gossip, is a cheap form of entertainment for some people. The Apostle Paul in this Scriptures we just read , advises us to "reject" belligerent people who just want to argue foolishness. By "Reject" Paul simply means that we shouldn't waste our time trying to convince someone who already has formed a biased opinion. I receive many wonderful letters from people who need my help, and I always do my best to help them. It's not that we should give up on anyone, but there are so many people who haven't heard the gospel that need our help. Let us be productive for God and not allow critics to preoccupy our precious time which can be spent helping those who want to be helped. Romans 10:15 reads, "...How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" Notice that the Bible doesn't say it is beautiful to argue with people. What is beautiful is the GOOD NEWS of JESUS CHRIST. I have written an article concerning this which I hope you will read titled, The Simple Gospel. We must all read the Bible for our self and then personally decide whether or not we believe It is God's Word. There is NO magic bullet. Either you BELIEVE the Bible is God's Word or you don't! I believe 100%! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Heart of the Matter... To him who believes, no explanation is necessary; to him that believeth not, no explanation is possible. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/gods_word.htm  I believe the bible is the inspired word of God myself. One should study and check things in it out and do there own research as opposed to taking the word of someone, even calling themselves a preacher or teacher. Read, Study and Pray, the message will come to you. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 12/03/08 04:44 PM
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Forgot to mention this earlier ....
I also did NOT like what the author of the Original message ,said about catholics. Catholics may believe salvation is a process, but that doesn't make them any less saved than I or anyone else...as long as they believe on Jesus . So they may believe salvation is a process.... as long as they believe and accept Jesus is what matters!!! Whether they believe it is a process or not, doesn't prevent them from being saved in the least!!! Other than that(besides certain points I didn't agree with), I still believe the message overall, presented a message that needed to be said. Be Blessed Everyone...Always.... |
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No Jeannie, God is NOT just a description of some being , holding a so called PRESIDENT'S Job over All his creation. God is NOT JUST a DESCRIPTION . GOD IS AN ACTUAL SUPREME BEING What an interesting way to look at it... but I think you might have missed the point. God is more than A single supreme being... God is THE supreme. We do not need to believe in christ to be a part of god. We are all a part of god (even those of us that don't want to be)... We are part of that which is. Which is GOD. |
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Treasa
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Has anyone read the Left Behind books series? They actually made a movie for those who don't want to sit down and read the first of the books titles Left Behind, there is now another good one on the market called Fireproof which might relate to more people now. This one is made as in current days. It's a good one, watched it Thursday evening, you should watch it. Jesus was spoken of or foretold of in the Old Testiment, he just wasn't given a name yet. HE was born to die for you. If HE died for you and you received salvation because of it, then his death was worth it. GOD sent HIS son to die that we might have a chance to live again. We become reborn, not another natural rebirth, but born again through Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Hadn't you rather take your chances and receive salvation and live for GOD believing that there is a better place to go than to find out because of stubbornness or stupidity that there really is a HELL and people who have not been reborn throught Christ will live there eternally. Read the book of John, pay special attention to chapter 3 verse 16 where it says "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER(that means you) believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Yes there are many authors of the books in the bible. Read Revelation, it tells of what is happening right now, foretold by GOD himself, to Saint John, who put it in writing so that we could be warned of things to come. If you read the entire book of Revelation, you will see these signs and be made aware of what it to come. Myself, I don't plan to be here throughout the entire chapter, I have made a plan of escape, it is called the rapture. Whether it be from the grave or from my being while I am alive, I will be caught away to be with Jesus and the other saints who prepared for HIS coming.
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From the OP:
The Bible was written over a 1,500 year period by 40 different men as GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT MOVED THRU THEM!!! There is NO earthly way possible that so many men (most of whom never met each other), could have written so many different books in different styles that all perfectly merge into one meaningful Book, The stories neither perfectly merge, nor are they meaningful. In truth the biblical stories actually conflict with each other dramatically. If you take the Bible as a whole there's no way that Jesus could be the Son of the God of Abraham. The book denies it's very premise. |
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From the OP: The Bible was written over a 1,500 year period by 40 different men as GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT MOVED THRU THEM!!! There is NO earthly way possible that so many men (most of whom never met each other), could have written so many different books in different styles that all perfectly merge into one meaningful Book, The stories neither perfectly merge, nor are they meaningful. In truth the biblical stories actually conflict with each other dramatically. If you take the Bible as a whole there's no way that Jesus could be the Son of the God of Abraham. The book denies it's very premise. Abra. You know i disagree with all this but I also disagree with your assumption that Yahshua is somehow disobedient to his father Yahweh. He came as an example. The way the law was really set up. men perverted it to gain power. our congress does the exact same thing. This is the way men are they want power. Yahshua's threat was he did not go along with power of men and went to the out cast. He believed and kept the Law perfectly..Shalom...Miles |
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From the OP:
Evidence That the Bible is God's Word: Because it claims to be (as read in our Scripture above). This is precisely the mentality as person must have to believe in the Bible because these is what all their 'evidence' amounts to. To claim that the Bible is the word of God because it says so is the same as claiming that the Jews are right because they wrote it! But if we follow that line of "evidence", then the Buddhists are right in what they wrote, and the American Indians are right in what they wrote, and the Wiccans are right because of what they wrote. It's rediculous. The Bible doesn't hold water. Period. |
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Milesoftheusa
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Sat 04/18/09 10:53 AM
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From the OP: Evidence That the Bible is God's Word: Because it claims to be (as read in our Scripture above). This is precisely the mentality as person must have to believe in the Bible because these is what all their 'evidence' amounts to. To claim that the Bible is the word of God because it says so is the same as claiming that the Jews are right because they wrote it! But if we follow that line of "evidence", then the Buddhists are right in what they wrote, and the American Indians are right in what they wrote, and the Wiccans are right because of what they wrote. It's rediculous. The Bible doesn't hold water. Period. I find at least where i live and around the world you see it. The bible does not hold water untill tragedy happens. Then a cry for answers and comfort are sought for. It's like our young men and daughters who start to think they know everything and mom and dad are old fashion. Then when they have big problems coming running home wanting comfort wishing they would of listened.. Shalom..Miles |
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Miles wrote: He (Jesus) believed and kept the Law perfectly..Shalom...Miles Not true. Jesus refused to judge others and stone sinners to death like the God of Abraham had commanded. Jesus refused to accept the FIRST of God's commandment that state that no one shall have any other God before him when Jesus demanded that they only way to the father was through him. Assuming he actually said this and it wasn't just made up by the authors who claimed to speak for him! The very reason that the Jews had him crucified was because he was disobeying the laws of the God of Abraham! Jesus simply isn't compatible with the God of Abraham on any level. Jesus was a total heretic with respect to the God of Abraham as put forth in the Old Testament. |
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The bible does not hold water untill tragedy happens. Then a cry for answers and comfort are sought for. It's like our young men and daughters who start to think they know everything and mom and dad are old fashion. Then when they have big problems coming running home wanting comfort wishing they would of listened.. Shalom..Miles That's your own personal fantasy. It simply isn't true in the real world. There are many people who recognize that the Mediterranean picture of God is untenable. It's not going to do them, or anyone, any good to go running to that picture to be 'saved'. Besides, horrible attrocities befall believers just as much as they befall non-believers. So the point is moot anyway. |
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Miles wrote: He (Jesus) believed and kept the Law perfectly..Shalom...Miles Not true. Jesus refused to judge others and stone sinners to death like the God of Abraham had commanded. Jesus refused to accept the FIRST of God's commandment that state that no one shall have any other God before him when Jesus demanded that they only way to the father was through him. Assuming he actually said this and it wasn't just made up by the authors who claimed to speak for him! The very reason that the Jews had him crucified was because he was disobeying the laws of the God of Abraham! Jesus simply isn't compatible with the God of Abraham on any level. Jesus was a total heretic with respect to the God of Abraham as put forth in the Old Testament. He was the Elohim of Abraham. No one has seen the father and lived. Yet many saw Yahweh. It was his son Yahshua who came in his name the same as he did in as a Babe. Abraham obeyed Yahweh and it was accounted for him in Rightousness. That Righteousness was Yahshua. The stoning when Yahshua said let him who has no sin cast the 1st stone. Thier was a big problem for all the men thier. The law says the man is to be stoned also. Where was the man? They came to trick him. They hated him so they constantly tried to find something they could condemn him over. Mercy has always been in the law. The law says I will show mercy to whoever i wish to show mercy to. No contradictions. Why should the woman be stoned and the man go free Abra? As far as the so called Jews.Which is a no namer. Paul was a jew and a benjemite. But they finally got 2 false witnesses and the romans carried out the High Councils commands. At 1st and even when the people choose the govenor wiped his hands clean of the blood of it because of a innocent man being put to death. The law speaks of blood on the hands 2. Even the Roman Govenor knew the law of innocents was powerful. They condemened him for sayinng before Abraham was I AM. In the burning bush Moshe asked who shall I say sent me and the answer was I AM THAT I AM. YHWH Yahweh. was who he said. I AM is saying he is a Heavenly king. Yahshua said this also to his disciples at his capture. John 18:36 36 Yahshua answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. KJV Same thing. Yahshua gave commandment as his father told him to. He never did anything but his fathers wishes..Blessings..Miles |
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The bible does not hold water untill tragedy happens. Then a cry for answers and comfort are sought for. It's like our young men and daughters who start to think they know everything and mom and dad are old fashion. Then when they have big problems coming running home wanting comfort wishing they would of listened.. Shalom..Miles That's your own personal fantasy. It simply isn't true in the real world. There are many people who recognize that the Mediterranean picture of God is untenable. It's not going to do them, or anyone, any good to go running to that picture to be 'saved'. Besides, horrible attrocities befall believers just as much as they befall non-believers. So the point is moot anyway. You can call it a fantacy. But didn't even Darwin call out to the almighty on his death bed? |
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You can call it a fantacy. But didn't even Darwin call out to the almighty on his death bed? I have no clue what Darwin may have done. Neither does it matter. These kinds of staments assume extremes. In other words, they assume either atheism is true, or the Jews had the only market on God. I don't see why reality needs to be one of these two extremes. I believe there very well may be a spiritual essense to existence, but I see no reason to believe that this should automatically imply that the Jews were the only culture to interact with God. I find that to be quite absurd frankly. If there's a spiritual essence to life my guess is that the spirit would treat all humans equally. Therefore if I'm going to turn to spiritual encounters with God I think it makes far more sense to study all of the religions of the world and assume that any truths would be common to all of them, and not divisive and specific to only one arrogant male-chauvinistic culture that tries to hoard God under the umbrella of their own bigoted mythology. 
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MirrorMirror
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The bible does not hold water untill tragedy happens. Then a cry for answers and comfort are sought for. It's like our young men and daughters who start to think they know everything and mom and dad are old fashion. Then when they have big problems coming running home wanting comfort wishing they would of listened.. Shalom..Miles That's your own personal fantasy. It simply isn't true in the real world. There are many people who recognize that the Mediterranean picture of God is untenable. It's not going to do them, or anyone, any good to go running to that picture to be 'saved'. Besides, horrible attrocities befall believers just as much as they befall non-believers. So the point is moot anyway. You can call it a fantacy. But didn't even Darwin call out to the almighty on his death bed?  Whats wrong with Darwin? He was just a scientistWhy do so many religious people hate him?What did he do that was so bad?
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