Topic: Homeland Voodoo
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Fri 11/28/08 02:12 PM
Okay this is has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have read in some time. Before anyone calls me anti-God please take a moment to substitute oh let's just pick a random deity who is not yours and ask yourself if the government should be paying for these sorts of plaques and publications. Not to mention this legislation is clearly unconstitutional and does violate the establishment clause.

Anti-terror law requires God be acknowledged
By John Cheves - jcheves@herald-leader.com

Under state law, God is Kentucky's first line of defense against terrorism.

The 2006 law organizing the state Office of Homeland Security lists its initial duty as "stressing the dependence on Almighty God as being vital to the security of the Commonwealth."



Specifically, Homeland Security is ordered to publicize God's benevolent protection in its reports, and it must post a plaque at the entrance to the state Emergency Operations Center with an 88-word statement that begins, "The safety and security of the Commonwealth cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God."

State Rep. Tom Riner, a Southern Baptist minister, tucked the God provision into Homeland Security legislation as a floor amendment that lawmakers overwhelmingly approved two years ago.

As amended, Homeland Security's religious duties now come before all else, including its distribution of millions of dollars in federal grants and its analysis of possible threats.

The time and energy spent crediting God are appropriate, said Riner, D-Louisville, in an interview this week.

"This is recognition that government alone cannot guarantee the perfect safety of the people of Kentucky," Riner said. "Government itself, apart from God, cannot close the security gap. The job is too big for government."

Nonetheless, it is government that operates the Office of Homeland Security in Frankfort, with a budget this year of about $28 million, mostly federal funds. And some administrations are more religious than others.

Under previous Gov. Ernie Fletcher, a lay Baptist preacher, Homeland Security interpreted the law at face value, prominently crediting God in its annual reports to state leaders and posting the required plaque.

Under Gov. Steve Beshear, officials this week said they didn't know about the plaque until the Herald-Leader called to ask whether it's still there. (They checked; it is.) The 2008 Homeland Security report, issued a month ago, did not credit God, but it did complain about a decline in federal funding from Washington.

Thomas Preston, Beshear's Homeland Security chief, said he isn't interested in stepping into a religious debate, and he hasn't given this part of his duties much thought.

"I will not try to supplant almighty God," Preston said. "All I do is try to obey the dictates of the Kentucky General Assembly. I really don't know what their motivation was for this. They obviously felt strongly about it."

There is no reference to God in Homeland Security's current mission statement or on its Web site, which displeases Riner.

"We certainly expect it to be there, of course," Riner said.

But state Sen. Kathy Stein, D-Lexington, said Homeland Security should worry about public safety threats instead of preaching religious homilies.

"It's very sad to me that we do this sort of thing," said Stein, a frequent critic of efforts to mix religion and government. "It takes away from the seriousness of the public discussion over security, and it clearly hurts the credibility of this office if it's supposed to be depending on God, first and foremost."

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Fri 11/28/08 03:21 PM
:smile: This is the kinda moronic crap that goes on in Kentucky.:smile:

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Fri 11/28/08 03:25 PM

:smile: This is the kinda moronic crap that goes on in Kentucky.:smile:


Oh OK I was wondering why my ex moved there. Now I understand.

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Fri 11/28/08 03:25 PM
This is just ridiculas.grumble

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 11/28/08 03:30 PM

This is just ridiculas.grumble
laugh Welcome to Kentuckylaugh

:smile: Stuff like this is why its one of the crappiest places to live in the United States.:smile:

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Fri 11/28/08 04:16 PM


This is just ridiculas.grumble
laugh Welcome to Kentuckylaugh

:smile: Stuff like this is why its one of the crappiest places to live in the United States.:smile:


That's a shame because I bet it's beautiful there. I would like to see the land between the lakes someday.

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Fri 11/28/08 04:23 PM



This is just ridiculas.grumble
laugh Welcome to Kentuckylaugh

:smile: Stuff like this is why its one of the crappiest places to live in the United States.:smile:


That's a shame because I bet it's beautiful there. I would like to see the land between the lakes someday.
:smile: Yeah it pretty during the spring and summer, but thats about it. :smile: This is what happens when you have a state almost completely ran by right wingers.:smile:There ain't nuthin here.:smile: No oppurtunity.:smile: Few jobs.Just churches.:smile: Its a real bozo state lemme tell ya.:smile: Its practically a third world country compared to the rest of the U.S.laugh

Lynann's photo
Fri 11/28/08 04:26 PM
Guess I didn't notice you lived in KY Mirror.

It is pretty there.

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Fri 11/28/08 04:29 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Fri 11/28/08 04:31 PM

Guess I didn't notice you lived in KY Mirror.

It is pretty there.
flowerforyou True. flowerforyou It looks like a painting during the spring and summer months.flowerforyouExcellent place for outdoor activities.flowerforyouThats because its under developed compared to the rest of the country.flowerforyou

Lynann's photo
Fri 11/28/08 09:10 PM
Humm what ever are you saying Mirror?

Are you saying some people might be using KY outdoors in KY?

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Fri 11/28/08 09:46 PM
don't forget the Derby

that is pretty cool

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 11/28/08 09:54 PM

Humm what ever are you saying Mirror?

Are you saying some people might be using KY outdoors in KY?
laugh probablylaugh

Lynann's photo
Fri 11/28/08 10:29 PM
Hey Quiet....are you gonna get a Red Ryder for Xmas this year?

Love the pic.