(especially for Miles)


Yahshua, Yehoshua, Y'shua, Yeshua, Iesous, Iesus Or Jesus

....The Sacred Name or True Name.....


There has been MUCH controversy about what the True Name or Sacred Name of the Messiah is,
with all sorts of speculation and conjecture being taught as fact.

Below are some statements that I have heard over the years:

"The name of YAHshua has been replaced by the names of G-zeus (Jesus), and Ea-zeus meaning healing zeus (Iesus, and Iesous) which are pagan in origin."

"Now that we know that his real Hebrew name is YAHshua, we can't use Jesus any more in good conscience."

"I prefer to use the Hebrew name YAHshua, instead of His Gentile nickname Jesus."

"As true believers we need to refuse the blasphemous talmudic moniker of Yeshua and use his true name YAHshua."

“The name Baal means “Lord” in Hebrew. The church translators replaced the true name of the Messiah, YAHshua with the title “Lord”.
When people use that title, they are unknowingly worshiping a pagan idol, and that is why it is so important that we restore the true Hebrew name YAHshua back into the English translations.”

"Jesus" is nothing more than a pseudo substitute for the true name YAHSHUA."

"You should not use the name Ge-sus because the Ge means earth or soil in Greek, and the sus means swine or pig in Latin, so you are saying "earth pig".

"Jesus is a corrupted name derived from the Greek IESOUS.
Ies, or iysh in Hebrew means man, while sus -soos means horse, so when you speak that name, you are referring to the Messiah as “man horse” or “man beast”."

"The name IESOUS or “hey-soos” means “hey horse”.
Just look at this example: Ps.33:17, “An horse (Heb. hey-soos/Grk. Iesous/ Eng. Jesus) is a vain hope for safety; neither shall he deliver any by its great strength.”"

Many in the Hebrew roots and sacred name circles have continually and fervently expressed the sentiment outlined in the above statements.
Some of the popular sacred name bibles have even reinforced the Jesus/zeus fallacy by supplying supposed scholarship to demonstrate this in the explanatory notes section of their translations.

It has been stated by some that the Name Jesus is a false Hellenic (Greek) name that was conspiratorially created by the early church, in an attempt to give glory to zeus and the Greek goddess Iaso while intentionally censoring the "true name" of Messiah which they say is YAHshua.

Some have said, that since the Name of Jesus shares the same letter sigma (V) or "s" from the end of the Greek god zeus' name, that at the very least, it constitutes a pagan connection with the Name of Jesus.

This would be the same as saying that all Greek masculine nouns, that have the added sigma as a case ending are somehow related to zeus.
If this were factual, which it is not, it would make for an incredibly long list of supposedly pagan names.

One excellent example would be John 1:1 where Theos (God) and logos (word), which are both masculine nouns end with a final sigma.

We should also note that when the name Iesous is rendered in the genitive form of Iesou there is no final sigma,
so in this case according to the theory, would the pagan connection then be eliminated?
The same elimination of the final sigma also happens with the name zeus in Acts 14:12.
Amazingly, I have seen it claimed by some that Jesus is the name that actually represents the person of the anti-messiah, and is an indicator of the far greater evils being promoted by traditional Christianity.

Iesou (Ihsou) and zeu (zeu) are not related, and have two completely different spellings.
The first letter from zeus (zeta) is vocalized with a 'dz' sound, and the dipthongs eu (zeu) and ou (Iesou) have a totally different vocalization.

The final sigma (V) or "s" added on at the end of Iesous occurs in the standard transliteration of the proper masculine noun from Hebrew to Greek.

Greek nouns and names almost always have case endings, so the sigma (V) or "s" is added at the end of the word to distinguish that the name is the masculine form, and also makes it declinable.
There is absolutely no relation between these words, and the most basic scholarship can easily prove this.

If we take the same logic used in the the Jesus/zeus fallacy, and apply it to a Hebraic context, then people could never name their children Nathan or Jonathan,
because those names have the same ending as satan.
Of course we all know that those are scriptural Hebrew names (Nathan and Yehownathan).

Because of the many errant allegations that have been used to create fear, and other so called scholarship, many have been falsely led to believe that "YAHshua" is the original Hebrew name for the Messiah.
In order for YAHshua to be an actual name in Hebrew, it would need to be spelled in Hebrew as Yod-Hey-Shin-Vav-Ayin. Unfortunately for it's supporters,
this name can not be found anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures.
What you will find in the Hebrew Scriptures is Yehoshua (H3091) which is written in the Hebrew as Yod-Hey-Vav-Shin-Ayin or Yod-Hey-Vav-Shin-Vav-Ayin, or the shortened form Yeshua (H3442-H3443) which is written in the Hebrew as Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin.

The main obstacles in trying to render His name as YAHshua instead of Yeshua, is created by the fact that there is no Hebrew letter "hey" in Yeshua,
and also by the Masoretic vowel pointings or nikud.

The tsere that is under the Yod in "Yeshua" in the Hebrew scriptures demonstrates the vocalization of the first syllable as "yay," and not "YAH."

This is also true of the Greek vowel eta, which is pronounced "Yay", and is found in the transliterated Greek rendering of Yeshua which is Iesous.

Many use Y'shua thinking that it is a shortened version of YAHshua, when in fact,
Yshua would represent a truncated version of the long form Yehoshua with the theophoric element "Yeho" removed.

This shortening occurred with many names that possessed the theophoric element of the Name of the Almighty during the second temple period.

Another example would be Yehowseph shortened to Yoseph.
Biblical names such as Yehonatan (Jonathan), Yehoyaqim (Jehoiakim), Yehoshafat (Jehoshaphat), Yehoram (Jehoram), and Yehoshua (Joshua), all have the shva under the yod signifying the "Yeh" vocalization, but the later shortened version of Yehoshua (Yeshua) does not.

Some 'teachers' have promoted in their videos and books,
that the Messiah's Name is YAHshua, and that it means "Yahweh is our salvation".

If we review the meanings of the correct scriptural names, we find that the long form of Yehoshua would translate as "YHVH is salvation" or
"He who is (or will be) saves".
I am not sure where the 'our' could possibly come from in their constructed name of YAHshua.

Some of these same teachers have stated that they do not like to use the name Yeshua,
because it only means "salvation".

This needs to be clarified, as it is an incorrect statement. Yeshuah (H3444) written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin-Hey, is a feminine noun that means "salvation".

Yeshua (H3442) written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin, is a masculine noun that means "He is salvation" or "He saves."

It is the name that refers to Joshua in the TeNaKh (OT), and is the shortened form of Yehoshua which the name Jesus was derived from.

In scripture we find in Matthew 1:21 "for He will save His people from their sins"

If someone firmly believes that the manufactured rendering of YAHshua is a scriptural name,
then I would recommend that they check it out for themselves in the Hebrew texts.
Creating one's own language concepts while ignoring the rules that govern transliteration and vocalization,
and then applying them to other languages to aid in the formation of a Hebrew sounding name does not demonstrate sound or acceptable scholarship.

It appears according to the above explanation that "YAHshua" is a manufactured name that has been assembled using faulty scholarship in an effort to support a theological agenda.

Let's now take a look at how the name Iesous,
which is rendered in the English Bibles as Jesus (G2424) came about from the Hebrew Yeshua (H3442),
the short form of Yehoshua (H3091):

When transliterating Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin -- the Hebrew name Yeshua to Greek:

Yod - "ye"> transliterates by pairing iota-eta (Ih) which is vocalized as "yay" or "ee-ay" because Greek has no consonant y.

Shin - "sh"> transliterates as sigma (s) because there is no equivalent letter for the "sh" sound in Greek.

Vav - "u" > the final u sound transliterates as the dipthong omicron-upsilon (ou) vocalized as "oo" because upsilon alone would not create the correct voicing needed.

Ayin - "ah"> the rules that govern Greek grammar dictate that this letter not be vocalized,
and is due to the fact that it is not allowable for masculine names to end with a vowel during the transliteration process from the Hebrew to Greek.

The final sigma (V) or "s" on the end is part of the standard transliteration from other languages to Greek.
Greek nouns and names almost always have case endings,
so the sigma (V) or "s" is added at the end of the word to distinguish that the name is the masculine form, and also makes it declinable.

What we end up with is the name Iesous (IhsouV),
pronounced Ee-ay-sooce or Yaysoos.

The Greek Iesous then got transliterated into Latin as Iesu[s], and then into Old English as Jesus,

but initially the J was at that time, still pronounced like the German J,

which was pronounced with more of a 'Y' sound.

This is the way that it still is spoken in Germany today.
Over time, the J sound eventually began to harden into sounding more like the the French J which is where the Modern English J originated from. The end result is the current English pronunciation of Jesus.

While there is a clear etymological path concerning the name of Jesus that clearly shows its Hebrew origin,
the name YAHshua can not be found in the Hebrew scriptures.
The name YAHshua is also not transliterable into a Biblical Greek name,
which should throw up some flags to those who believe that the Greek New Testament is the inspired Word of The Almighty.

I find the prohibition against saying the name of Jesus a little absurd,
considering that the people who have imposed this prohibition,
are calling the Messiah by a name that is not found anywhere in the Hebrew scriptures.
Most of their reasoning, is that Jesus is an English rendering from a Greek name,
and since all things Greek are pagan, this name should not be spoken,
and that no self respecting Jew would have ever uttered a Greek name,
and surely would not have written any scripture in Greek.

Many of these same people have used selected passages from the Septuagint (LXX) in their new translations,
while referring to Jesus (Iesous) and Christ (Christos) as pagan names.

One popular teacher has taught that “ the Greeks called all their gods christos from adonis to zeus,”
while explaining that Christ is not an acceptable title for the Messiah.

Not only is this not provable historically,
but from the linguistic standpoint,
as well as the textual standpoint,
it is totally incorrect.

In the scriptures,
we find that the Apostle John used both Messiah and Christ interchangeably when he wrote his Gospel.

In John 1:41 we read “ we have found the Messiah, which being translated is, the Christ”.

When quoting the woman at the well in John 4:25,
he also wrote “The woman said to Him, ‘I know that Messiah is coming, He who is called Christ” It is obvious by the usage in the text that John considered the titles “Messiah” and “Christ” to be equivalent terms.

Historically, the Greeks never used the word “Christ” as a title for any of their gods,
or as any type of a sacred title at all. Christos (G5547) is derived from the root word chrio (G5548), which by definition means “to smear or rub with oil.”

These very same names and titles were chosen by the Jewish translators of the Greek Septuagint when transliterating the Names Yehoshua/Yeshua to Iesous over two hundred times,
and the title Mashiyach from the Hebrew to their chosen Greek equivalent of Christos all thirty nine times that it appears in the text.

These are the same Greek names that are rendered in the English versions of the New Testament as Jesus and Christ.

As an additional note, the title of Mashiyach (H4899) appears in the Hebrew text thirty nine times in the Hebrew Scriptures (OT).

In the majority of cases, it is translated as "anointed," and refers to priests such as Aaron, or others who were anointed.
It is only translated from the Hebrew twice as Messiah.
The Greek equivalent for Mashiyach only appears in the New Testament as Messias (G3323) on two occasions,
both in the book of John as noted above.

It has been alleged by some that the name "YAHshua" was fabricated by the sacred name movement in the late 1930's as a vehicle to assist in promoting their doctrine.

Many in the Hebrew roots/ sacred name movement have tried to use this scripture to prove that the Messiah's Name is YAHshua:

John 5:
43 I have come in the name of My Father, and you do not receive Me.
If another comes in his own name, you will receive that one.

Many have argued that if He came in His Fathers Name, then His Father's Name should somehow be represented in His name.

They assert that if the Fathers Name is "Yahweh", then Yah must be the poetic shortened form,
or a family name.

Because of this, it is their belief that the Son must have a form of YAH incorporated somewhere in His Name.

When we review this claim, we immediately find a few glaring problems with this reasoning,
because King David and others also came in the Name of "YHVH" in the Hebrew scriptures,
but they did not have YAH (Yod Hey) as a part their names.

If we examine the New Testament Scriptures, we will find that in first century Judea,
Jews were known by who their father was, as demonstrated in this passage:

Matthew 16:
17. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Barjona = "son of Jonah"

Here are some other New Testament Aramaic names:

(G912) Barabbas = son of abba
(G918) Bartholomew = son of Tolmai
(G919) Barjesus = son of Jesus
(G921) Barnabas = son of Nabas
(G923) Barsabas = son of Sabas
(G924) Bartimaeus = son of Timaeus

We also see this same type of identification in Matthew 23:35 where we read "Zechariah the son of Berechiah"

This is how the family name was noted in the Hebrew culture.
Bar means son in Aramaic, and in Hebrew it is "ben."

In the Hebrew Scriptures we are shown the same:

Genesis 19:
38 And the younger also bore a son, and called his name Ben-ammi; he is the father of the sons of Ammon to this day.
(H1151~ Ben-ami or Ammiy = son of my people)

Genesis 35:
18 And it happened as her soul was departing (for she died) that she called his name Benoni. But his father called him Benjamin. (Ben-oni or Owniy = son of my sorrow)

1 Chronicles 4:
20 And the sons of Shimon: Amnon, and Rinnah, Ben-hanan, and Tilon. And the sons of Ishi: Zoheth and Ben-zoheth. (H1135~Ben-hanan or Chanan = son of favour)

2 Chronicles 17:
7 And in the third year of his reign he sent to his rulers, to Benhail, and to Obadiah, and to Zechariah, and to Nethaneel, and to Michaiah, to teach in the cities of Judah. (H1134~Ben-hail or Chayil = son of strength)

Joshua 15:
8 And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom to the south side of the Jebusite.
It is Jerusalem.
And the border went up to the top of the mountain that lies before the valley of Hinnom westward, at the end of the Valley of the Giants northward. (H2011~ Hinnom=lamentation - ben Hinnom = son of lamentation)

Other names in the Hebrew scriptures (OT):

Ben-'Abiynadab (H1125)
Ben-'Owniy (H1126)
Ben-Geber (H1127)
Ben-Deqer (H1128)
Ben-Hadad (H1130)
Ben-Zowcheth (H1132)
Ben-Chuwr (H1133)
Ben-Checed (H1136)
Ben-yemiyniy (H1145)

Using the many examples cited above in both the Aramaic and Hebrew languages as a guideline,
we can put forth the assertion that possibly to the unbelievers,
the Messiah was known as "Yeshua bar Yoseph" (his adopted father),
or to those who understood who He truly was as "Yeshua bar Elah" in the Aramaic,
or "Yeshua ben Elohiym" in Hebrew.

These would both end up in the English as "Yeshua (Jesus) Son of God".

In the Greek we find "Iesous Huios Theou"
which is rendered in English as "Jesus Son of God."

It should once again be noted that there is no YAHshua to be found anywhere in the Hebrew scriptures.

Some people have emphatically asserted that if people in the first century had called the Messiah by His Greek name Iesous (Jesus)
that He would not have even recognized or answered to that name.

Many have designed and marketed bumper stickers that state "WWJD?
He'd use his own name YAHSHUA" and other slogans denigrating the name of Jesus as G-Zeus.

For the sake of argument,
let's take a look a this controversy from a different perspective and consider the following:

The Greek language in the Koine or "common" dialect,
was established as the common tongue by Alexander during his short lived reign beginning around 332 BCE.

He instituted this in hopes of uniting all of the areas he presided over with one language.
Alexander died unexpectedly in 323 BCE,
and after his death,
disputes between his generals led to the division of his empire,
which was now became under the control of three of his generals.

During the period between 319 to 302 BCE, the control of Jerusalem changed on seven occasions.
The time period from 332 to 63 BCE is termed by historians and archaeologists as the Hellenistic period.

When the Romans conquered these areas in 63 BCE,
they retained the Greek language and much of the Greek culture and customs established by Alexander which continued to be spread throughout the growing Roman Empire.

At this time Israel was indirectly under Roman rule,
and later became under direct rule in 4 BCE.
It has been stated by historians
that around the third century BCE,
Ptolomy commissioned that the Torah, or
the five books of Moses be translated into
the Greek language known as the Pentateuch (pentateuchos) for his library at Alexandria,
which
we refer to today as the Septuagint (LXX).

The New Testament scriptures speaks of the Hellenist Jews in Acts 6:1 which is dated around 63 CE.

The second Temple was destroyed in 70 CE which was the beginning of the dispersal of the Jews,
but history tells us that the Koine Greek language was spoken in the declining Roman Empire and the Byzantine Empire as late as 529 CE,
which demonstrates
that the Jews had exposure to Koine Greek for many generations before and after the Messiah.

While the multi lingual disciples may have personally called The Messiah by His Hebrew or Aramaic name Yeshua,
I doubt
if they had any reservation in referring to
Him as "Iesous"
when talking about Him and His teachings to the Greeks,
Hellenic Jews,
Romans or others living in the Roman Empire who spoke Greek,
which was the recognized language of commerce and literature.

The name Iesous was already firmly established in the Septuagint (LXX) at that time as the Greek rendering (equivalent) of His name.

Out of the twelve apostles,
eleven of them were from Galilee, also known as Galilee of the Gentiles, (Matt 4:15) and the Messiah was also a Galilean (Matt 21:11).

We are told in the Gospels that the Messiah spoke with a Greek woman and cast out a demon from her daughter (Mark 7:26),
and that He healed the son of a Roman centurion (Matthew 8:8).

How did they address Him would be my first question,
since history tells us that Greek was the official language of the Roman Empire,
and had been established as such centuries before the Messiah was on Earth.
In the scriptures we are told of the Greeks who traveled to Jerusalem for the feasts, who wanted to speak to Messiah,
and had asked the apostles if it were possible (John 12:20).

We should consider what would be the language that Andrew and Phillip addressed them in,
and while we are at it,
maybe we should check the language of origin for the names Andrew and Phillip.

We are also told in the scriptures that Matthew was a tax collector,
so
he would have to be versed in the language of commerce
which was Koine Greek,
and we know that Luke (Loukas) was a Greek physician.

We can safely assume that Paul addressed
the Greek Stoics about the "unknown god" in Greek (Acts 17:23) as that was the language of the educated philosophers,
and in scripture we are also told that he addressed the Roman centurion in Greek (Acts 21:37).

This should also raise the question as to what language the Messiah conversed with Pilate in.

As a side note,
there is currently an inventory of almost 900 burial boxes known as ossuaries from Herodian Jerusalem (37 BCE - 70 CE).

Over 200 of them have inscriptions that are in the following languages:

143 are inscribed with the local Aramaic script

2 are inscribed in Palmyrene Aramaic

14 are inscribed bilingually in Aramaic and Greek

73 are inscribed in Greek only

2 are inscribed in Latin

The different languages of the inscriptions
demonstrate a cross section of the different areas where the Jews of the diaspora resided,
and the multiple languages that were spoken.

This is also clearly demonstrated in Acts 2:5-11.
Archaeologists have also found Greek inscriptions on early synagogues in Israel,
as well as on bilingual coins minted less than a century before the time of Jesus by king Alexander Janneus,
who was a Hasmonean Sadducee.

These coins carry a Greek inscription on the obverse side,
with an Aramaic/Hebrew inscription on the reverse side.

It should also be noted that there were scrolls and fragments written in Greek that were found at Qumran.
You can find these listed in the Dead Sea Scrolls inventory.

If we examine the problems of trying to communicate various aspects of the gospel to Greeks using a semitic language,
we would first need to examine the restrictions that might be caused by the differences between the Hebrew/Aramaic,
and the Greek language.

Firstly, in reference to his Name,
the Greek language didn't have a true "Y" sound for the yod,

nor the "sh" sound for the letter Shin and so on.

Since Koine Greek is more tonal in its approach to accents,
Greek speakers were not practiced in vocal techniques
such as pharyngeal fricatives/velar
fricatives/glottal stops/guttural
sounds
and other phonemes/allophones
that are utilized in semitic languages,
but are not common to the Greek language.

Loanwords often do cross over into various other languages that might be spoken in a region where multiple languages are commonly spoken,

and in the case of proper nouns,
they can and sometimes do import phonemes from one language to another.

Because His Hebrew name contained phonemes that weren't native to Greek doesn't rule out
that they couldn't pronounce it,
but it may have been easier for them to use Iesous.

And think about this ....

If everyone knew Him only as
Yeshua,
there would have been no need
to
write His Name
in
its other transliterated forms
of
Greek and Latin
on
the
sign above Him.

John 19:
19 And Pilate wrote a title and put it on the cross.

And the writing was,

JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

20 Then many of the Jews read this title,
for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city,
and
it was written in
Hebrew,
Greek,
and Latin.

Hebrew: Yeshua haNotzri Melech haYehudim

Greek: Iesous ho Nazoraios ho Basileus ton Ioudaion

Latin: Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum

The article above represents my opinion based on what I have learned, what I understand, and what I believe.

As always,
I would challenge everyone to research all that I have discussed, and prove it for yourself.

For we are told:

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.



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I didnt take the time to read the whole thing cause i dont have 2 days to read it, however, it's not the first name that counts. Im not a horribly spiritual man, however my grandmother always refered to him as "The Christ". While there are many first names and even speculations over the last, He is the christ. Not Jesus Christ, but Jesus the Christ. First names, Write em on a piece of paper, put em in a tumbler and pick one.

I was basically sharing this with Miles(because I said I would).

Personally, I believe God looks at the heart...

to see if Jesus lives there.....

and isn't going to mind ....

what language we prononce Jesus Name in .....

Miles..if you are reading this....

notice this especially:


John 19:
19 And Pilate wrote a title and put it on the cross.

And the writing was,

.....JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS.....

20 Then many of the Jews read this title,

for the place where Jesus was

crucified was near the city,
and

it was written in

Hebrew,

Greek,

and Latin.

Hebrew: Yeshua haNotzri Melech haYehudim

Greek: Iesous ho Nazoraios ho Basileus ton Ioudaion

Latin: Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum

"Jesus is a corrupted name derived from the Greek IESOUS.
Ies, or iysh in Hebrew means man, while sus -soos means horse, so when you speak that name, you are referring to the Messiah as “man horse” or “man beast”."

"The name IESOUS or “hey-soos” means “hey horse”.
Just look at this example: Ps.33:17, “An horse (Heb. hey-soos/Grk. Iesous/ Eng. Jesus) is a vain hope for safety; neither shall he deliver any by its great strength.”"

To start of with we have this guy putting words in Believers mouths.

I have been a believer almost 19 years I know most anything being promoted in our belief.

This I have never heard or thought of..

He uses Psalms of Hebrew origin to take a English name back to NT Greek.

We do not contend or i known of anyone saying such a thing.

He is going threw hoops to try and prove a Jewish edict that using Yah is to sacred to use so the use Je or Jeh to protect the 3rd commandment.


Joshua son of nun and Yahshua son of Yahweh both had the exact same name.

Hebrews 4:8 proves this that they had the same name as the trasnlaters of the KJV and the NKJV or other newer bibles have corrected the KJV.


Some of these same teachers have stated that they do not like to use the name Yeshua,
because it only means "salvation".

Another statement he makes that is false.

We do not use yeshua because Yahweh is a family name. Given to many prophets.

IsaYah, ZecharYah,JeremYah all these names end in Yah or iah in English .

Yahshua said is came in his fathers name. yeh is not part of the family name.

A good trick he gets deep and knows the reader will say.. Ok I understand that.

and to say we do not use Yeshua because it only means salvation?

Nice lie. what is Yahshua? does the word not say thier is only one name under heaven that man must be saved.

Salvation..

We are the ones using semetics? who cares about anything but SALVATION.

Gross lie about me and my BRETHERN.

OT:3467
T:3467 uv^y* yasha` (yaw-shah'); a primitive root; properly, to be open, wide or free, i.e. (by implication) to be safe; causatively, to free or succor:


KJV - at all, avenging, defend, deliver (-er), help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save (-iour), get victory.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

(yaw-shah'

That is Yahshua part of Salvation in this word.

It is amazing how a religion of over a Billion people are scared about a few thousand who promote and say Yahshua is the Saviors name.

This writer went to great lengths to prove ye or yeh is correct because he had to

Why?

Because that is the only way jc can go to greek to a Hebrew born son given a Hebrew name.

Otherwise as he even admits sus means pig or more correctly sow.

I know few Jews.

I did have the oppertunity by accident to meet an actual Levite Jew. Levite really. But anyway he has it down through history his family lintage because of this. He is probally 80 yo now if he is still alive and I hope he is.

Very nice man. Showed me and took me and a friend inside jewish centers of learning on Devon street in Chicago.

We could not of know what these buildings were or been allowed without him. no one said a word but to respectivefully greet this man.

We asked him because we knew he knew for sure. Because these things have been passed down through the Priesthood ever since Aaron what was said in the High Priests Duties in the Temple.

Who better to ask.

He is so high up his name is Levi Cohen. Cohen is the name of the priesthood. Aaron Moses brother would of took on this name. or office really.

But on the High Holy Days he is Flown to Jerusalem. To stand at the wailing wall to Give a Priestly Blessing because of his Bloodline. Before the People Of Israel.

I do not know he does this at all High Holy Days but he told us about it.

He liked what we were saying to him and asking about the Torah.

So finally we asked him about the names.

Now he will not say them himself especially to a gentile.

But he will not lie either.

So we asked is Yahweh the Holy Name and is that how you say it. He just nodded yes to us.

Then we asked is Yahshua who we believe is the son of Yahweh is that how you would say his name. He nodded again to us. Not breaking the command to say them.

Later on we were in a Jewish bookstore and the store was packed everyone saying Merry chr-stmas to each other jews also. Bless Jc jews also. I was looking at books. I went up and asked a worker who was older if he had any thing about why the Jews do noy believe Yahshua was the messiah.

He grabbed my arm and pulled me aside in a low voice. "

"do not say that name anymore. It could be dangerous for you"

Why would this be?

Because I was saying something they believe is to Holy for the average man to say.

JC they loved saying. and merry chr-stmas

Think about that. It is very true and Levi Cohen I hope you are still enjoying a great life. Blessings...Miles


Another thing of note.

Do you know the Bible says do not sell the word.

It also says you have been freely given so you are to freely give.

So any knowledge of the creator from anyone claiming this is who they believe. Should give it freely.

Why does one need a copyright on the word?

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YHVH, Yashua, Jesus, God, Heavenly Father, doesn't matter

God knows our hearts and minds and surely wether we are addressing him or not

Amen to that

Miles.. the reason I shared this post is to hopefully show you .....

that Saying the Messiah's Name in Greek, Latin, was PEERFECTLY ok with Jesus when He walked this earth...

I am sure when Jesus walked among the greeks,
He UNDERSTOOD their calling upon His Name in THEIR LANGUAGE!!

Just like God understands and DOES NOT MIND our calling upon His Name in OUR OWN CULTURAL Languages today!!!

God NEVER said in His Word , that man has to call upon His Name in HEBREW ONLY!!

Miles.... once last time(cause after this, I am not gonna dwell on this subject anymore)....

the Hebrew and Greeks were already in communication with each other .........

and well aware of each other languages in Jesus time on this earth...

and Jesus did not mind the greeks calling upon his Name in Greek back then!!

JESUS SAID,

" GO OUT INTO THE WORLD....TELLING

THE GOOD NEWS THAT JESUS SAVES !!!

Take Note now, Miles:

Jesus did NOT say, "

"Go into the World, Telling the Good News....

that Jesus Saves ....

but ONLY in the Name of the HEBREW LANGUAGE ONLY!!!!!!!!

The Gospel is for the Whole World!!

Now... do you actually think God expects the many different cultures of the whole world, to just speak Jesus Name in HEBREW ONLY??!!


Also Miles.. I shared this to also show you ...

that there are even MANY in the

" Hebrew Roots/ Sacred Name Movement",

Who are ALSO arguing AMONGST THEMSELVES EVEN.....on how to pronounce the name of YESHUA!!!!

Meaning...even Some OF THE Hebrews think it is even blasphemous to even say "Yeshua" ,
instead of the way you pronounce it in hebrew!!

See Really what Nonsense this is????


Miles, Praying this gets thru finally .......

Juliet Capulet said it pretty well: "What’s in a name? That which we call a rose / By any other name would smell as sweet."

It doesn't really matter what you call him. The man who was crucified for blaspheme could not possible have been the son of the God of Abraham. According to every historical account including the biblical gospels, that man disagreed with the God of Abraham.

So it doesn't matter what you call him, he could not have been the "Son of God"

Period.

At least, not the son of the God of Abraham anyway

Miles.. you wrote and I quote:

"It is amazing how a religion of over a Billion people are scared about a few thousand who promote and say Yahshua is the Saviors name...."


Miles...I say this in all sincerity...

there is NO problem with your saying Jesus Name in Hebrew as Yahshua!!

We welcome your saying Jesus name in Hebrew if you want to.

No problem whatsoever!!!

I sometimes even say Yeshua.

Just don't condemn others who say the Messiah's Name in the English translation...which is JESUS!!

God Bless You Miles....

"I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys." (Solomon 2:1)

We forget that the 12 Apostles 9 of them was unlearned men. They did not know greek. Judas kept the money which he was probally the smartest.

The religion I am in reason with each other about the name but finding fighting I believe you say that.

But even then they are trying to honor Yahweh.

They are not rebellious and say oh well He is LUV and we can do whatever we want as long as he is in our heart.

My people are destroyed for LACK of Knowledge.


It is all thier and has become more clear as the day goes on.

We are telling you keys to understanding prophecy in what we do and believe.

We are offering all of you Mysteries that are meant for our time.

But it is no different than in Yahshua's days.

they tried thier best to trick a small group. Tell them this is how has always been.

Then refuse any knowledge of Yahweh to be able to keep the traditions of Men.

And Follow the commandments of man.. Shalom...Miles

Miles....you wrote:

"So we asked is Yahweh the Holy Name and is that how you say it. He just nodded yes to us.

Then we asked is Yahshua who we believe is the son of Yahweh is that how you would say his name. He nodded again to us. Not breaking the command to say them..."

Ok Miles..

from now on....

GO TO GOD....

AND GOD'S WORD......

NOT MAN....

WITH THIS QUESTION....

OR ANY QUESTION ABOUT GOD!!

AMEN?

(Miles...btw..you completely missed it here....

that Jewish man NODDED his head, because he BELIEVED YAHSHUA IS THE SON OF YAHWEH!!!

MEANING.....HE SILENTLY BELIEVED YAHSHUA IS THE MESSIAH(LOTS OF JEWISH PEOPLE BELIEVE...BUT ARE SILENT ABOUT IT)!!!

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Miles... you also wrote:


".....Later on we were in a Jewish bookstore and the store was packed everyone saying Merry chr-stmas to each other jews also.
Bless Jc jews also.
I was looking at books.
I went up and asked a worker who was older if he had any thing about why the Jews do noy believe Yahshua was the messiah.

He grabbed my arm and pulled me aside in a low voice. "

"do not say that name anymore. It could be dangerous for you"

Why would this be?......."



Miles... WHY that WOULD BE....

IS BECAUSE ......


MOST JEWISH PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE THE MESSIAH HAS COME YET!!!!!!

NOT BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING HOLY TO THIS JEWISH MAN IN THE BOOKSTORE,
ABOUT THE NAME OF YAHSHUA THAT YOU MENTIONED !!!!!!

(Miles...btw..you completely missed it here....

that Jewish man NODDED his head, because he BELIEVED YAHSHUA IS THE SON OF YAHWEH!!!

MEANING.....HE SILENTLY BELIEVED YAHSHUA IS THE MESSIAH(LOTS OF JEWISH PEOPLE BELIEVE...BUT ARE SILENT ABOUT IT)!!!

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You do not have a clue why jews do not say the Holy name do you?

Read below what was said. It say we believe not him.. we asked the questions on the name.

They believe it breaks the 3rd commandment to say them in public and then only priests in prayer.

His nodding his head was how he was answering us that we were correct.

Do you always twist peoples words?

I know sermons on Tv are always twisted. But they are for why you should give gramma wedding band from the 1800's to themlike the 700 club does. or that Larsons character who has different names for people and clubs depending on how much you gave that year to him..

maybe you are one of his Champions I believe that is the 25k mark.. Special club.



"So we asked is Yahweh the Holy Name and is that how you say it. He just nodded yes to us.

Then we asked is Yahshua who we believe is the son of Yahweh is that how you would say his name. He nodded again to us. Not breaking the command to say them..."

Miles...You and I are WORSHIPPING THE SAME MESSIAH!!!

I call Him Jesus..you call Him Yahshua.

Same Saviour !!!

Same Son of God !!!!

Same God(cause God the Father, God the Son,and God the Holy Spirit ...are still ONE GOD)!!!!

OK?

Let's put our differences aside now......and come together in One Accord now....as we should be doing.
Ok Miles?
What do you say....


Goodnite and Be Blessed Now ,Miles.

Yes Miles.... I KNOW Jewish people don't say G_d's Name.....

That wasn't the point.

The point is.....

the man in the bookstore could have nodded NO to question you asked .....

about about Yahshua being God's Son.


But instead, he Nodded YES!!!

You still have it wrong. The name Yahshua when I said it he was alarmed. He pulled me to the side and said not to say that name anymore.. That it could be dangerous.

This is another proof of what the names really are.

The actions of Levi telling me yes that is how you say those names and who they are with Yahweh. He was not agreeing that Yahshua was the Messiah. he was nodding that yes that is how you say Yahshua not with an e as is jewish custom to keep you from saying the real name.

Also...after having lived among Precious Jewish people in NY ,
I do know that some Jewish people are taught,
that when approached by a gentile, to appease the gentile.

So therefore the possibility....
that instead of this gentleman believing silently in Yahshua as the Messiah , he was simply appeasing you with the "Nod".

Also , when the bookstore gentleman told you it was "dangerous" to mention the Messiah's name,
this is also known as another way to appease a gentile.......so you would not mention anything more on the subject

Junkman, there was no such thing as a First name, I think it is just what you heard or how you heard it when you were young. It can be Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, Jesus the Christ, just Jesus or just Christ.