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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 11/16/08 07:05 PM
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Now....allow me to just make something clear here.....
so there won't be any confusion. Miles.... I ALSO AGREE.... that there is ONLY ONE NAME........ BY WHICH MAN CAN BE SAVED !!!!! ONE NAME ONLY!!!!!! (Although there are many different name titles oF God ). AND.... THAT ONE NAME ONLY.... BY WHICH MAN CAN BE SAVED... IS.... THE... NAME.... OF ... JESUS !!!! (OR IN HEBREW, YESHUA...) OR HOWEVER THE NAME OF JESUS .... IS PRONOUNCED IN EVERY OTHER LANGUAGE!! BUT THE SAME NAME ..... JESUS !!!! (((BUT DIFFERENT CULTURES ARE ONLY JUST PRONOUNCING THE NAME OF JESUS IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE!!!)))) BUT AGAIN.... ALL CULTURES ARE STILL SAYING THE SAME NAME OF JESUS!!! JESUS....THE ONE WHO DIED ON THE CROSS. JESUS....GOD'S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON!! JESUS..THE ONE SENT TO SAVE !!! AND YES...... THERE IS NO OTHER NAME.... BY WHICH MAN CAN BE SAVED!!! BUT THE NAME OF JESUS!!! AND NOW...... BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS DID ON THAT CROSS FOR US ALL ..... GOD HAS NOW GIVEN ALL THE POWER AND ALL THE GLORY TO HIS SON JESUS !!!! ALL POWER .... ALL THE GLORY... IS GIVEN TO THE NAME OF JESUS.... AND IS IN THAT NAME OF JESUS.... THAT NAME ABOVE EVERY NAME!!! THAT NAME OF JESUS!! AMEN!!! (OR MILES, AS YOU SAY IN HEBREW, YESHUA) (SAME NAME....SAME SAVIOUR...SAME SON OF GOD!! } BUT YOU WISH TO SAY JESUS NAME IN HEBREW.... WHICH IS FINE WITH GOD. OR..AS EVERY CULTURE ... PRONOUNCES THE NAME OF JESUS IN THEIR LANGUAGE !! WHICH AGAIN ...IS FINE WITH GOD!!!!!! PRAYING.... THIS FINALLY GETS ACROSS... AND PEOPLE GET TOTALLY SET FREE FROM RELIGIOUS BONDAGE... IN JESUS HOLY NAME I PRAY, AMEN. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 11/16/08 07:29 PM
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To clarify this even a bit further....
When God says there is only ONE NAME , by which man can be saved.... God means that man cannot be saved by just calling upon any ole name man choooses. In other words, Man cannot be saved by calling , for instance, on the name of Confucius.. or the name of Krisna... or the name of some Goddess .... or even calling on the many different names of the attributes of God's Nature.... But Man can ONLY be Saved... By Calling upon the Name... of... the... One.... Who died on that cross.... and rose again from the dead... and dwells now on High.... and that One's NAME IS JESUS!!!! JESUS !!!! THE ONLY NAME BY WHICH MAN CAN BE SAVED!!! ONCE MORE.... ALL POWER... ALL GLORY .... HAS BEEN GIVEN OF THE FATHER TO HIS SON JESUS.... BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS DID FOR US ALL!!! SO ALL POWER... ALL GLORY... IS FOUND NOW... IN THAT ONE NAME ABOVE EVERY NAME... THAT NAME OF JESUS!!! ok....nuff said..... I'm done now. |
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I am still trying to think how people assumed 'J' was not in the Hebrew language... I mean, I was married to an Israeli, and my daughter lives there now and they have this word... Jiffa like Jiffy but with an "ah" at the end. It means "stinky" in Hebrew. Hebrew has J in it. If you go around Israel you will see it has been Americanized. Even in some cities they work on the sabbath. Jerusalem is the only conservitive city for sure on this. This goes for names . That is a mixture of an English name and a Hebrew name. Go to Psalms 119 where the letters of the Alphabet are spelled out as the beginning of each train of thought. They are all thier. Thier is no J in the Hebrew languge. Morningsong I will show you some stuff that I spoke of before. Tommorrow as I am tired now. Blessings of Shalom to Both of You...Miles |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 11/16/08 10:58 PM
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Miles..languages all across the globe have changed , and become modernized over a period of time....
just like Israel now also uses the letter J in their alphabet... just like the greeks used the letter I, in pronouncing the Name of the Lord... and later the letter I was changed to J , simply to make it a more Universal English language..nothing more. And by the way, when Jesus walked among the greeks, he surely did not mind their saying His name in their own language(with the letter I instead of Y).... so you see Miles, neither did God mind then......and neither does God mind today. Miles... do you actually believe .... that if people don't say the Name of Jesus in ONLY Hebrew, that the whole world is not even heard by God? (according to this sect you are in) Don't you think that God is a Big Enough God....... that if this WERE the case...... that God would have let His people Know.... that they needed to ONLY just say His Name in Hebrew.... or else God would Not even hear them ? Don't you see how very sad and silly this is, Miles??? Mies..I try to stay very close to the Lord in my walk daily with Him...cause that is my hearts desire. And Miles... I have great peace and Joy in my Relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.... ann Miles... God has never told me in my spirit, that calling upon His Name in English, is offensive to God. Ok? And Miles....if there WAS something wrong in my walk with the Lord.... or ... if calling upon the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS (IN ENGLISH)WAS wrong... then God's Holy Spirit dwelling in me.. WOULD have let me KNOW !!! Get free my friend. |
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If you wonder why I will only write JC or l-rd or g-d. which none of those will i speak. This is why. Ex 23:13 13 "And in all that I have said to you, be circumspect and make no mention of the name of other dieties, nor let it be heard from your mouth. NKJV I think that applied to the Israelites then because they had such habit of turning to other 'gods' and turning away from the One True God. He didn't want them talking themselves into following after those idols and things. It was the intent of their hearts. You are already thinking it, and so what is the difference in saying the word or not? God knows your thoughts. |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Mon 11/17/08 09:03 AM
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If you wonder why I will only write JC or l-rd or g-d. which none of those will i speak. This is why. Ex 23:13 13 "And in all that I have said to you, be circumspect and make no mention of the name of other dieties, nor let it be heard from your mouth. NKJV I think that applied to the Israelites then because they had such habit of turning to other 'gods' and turning away from the One True God. He didn't want them talking themselves into following after those idols and things. It was the intent of their hearts. You are already thinking it, and so what is the difference in saying the word or not? God knows your thoughts. That is very true. That is why it is even more important. JC is prophesied to come. Him you will accept. Yahshua said so. He has come to change laws and Times. Peter calls him the Lawless one. The Man of Sin. What is sin Transgression of the law willingly...Blessings..Miles |
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This completely contridicts what you say. It is whats in thier Heart right. What makes them different from the true Believers. Lwas and Times..Shalom..Miles
In other words, Man cannot be saved by calling , for instance, on the name of Confucius.. or the name of Krisna... or the name of some Goddess .... or even calling on the many different names of the attributes of God's Nature.... But Man can ONLY be Saved... By Calling upon the Name... of... the... One.... Who died on that cross.... and rose again from the dead... and dwells now on High.... and that One's NAME IS JESUS!!!! JESUS !!!! THE ONLY NAME BY WHICH MAN CAN BE SAVED!!! |
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http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H8034&t=KJV
Shem 1) name a) name b) reputation, fame, glory c) the Name (as designation of God) d) memorial, monument Name doesn't always mean a personal pro-noun. God's power isn't trapped within a magic word, God's power is in his glory. What happens to people with severe speech impediments, mental problems or physical problems that prevent them from speaking Yahweh? Do they automatically go to hell regardless of their beliefs? No, I don't think so. God's power to save us is his alone and no words we speak will change that. |
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What about the name "Jesus"?
Now how about the name "Jesus"? Do we have a transliteration problem here? Need we get fussy about this and insist on referring to the Lord as "Yeshua" and drop the name "Jesus"? The name Yeshua comes from Joshua's Hebrew name, Yehoshua, which sometimes appears in its shortened form, Yeshua (e.g., see Neh. 8:17). Now Yeshua, when transliterated into Greek, comes out Iesous (YAY-soos) (the final sigma is necessary in the nominative case to designate a proper name). In old English, the "y" sound was rendered as "j," and thus we obtain "Jesus": Link: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Is_Christ_Jewish_/is_christ_jewish_.html |
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What about the name "Jesus"? Now how about the name "Jesus"? Do we have a transliteration problem here? Need we get fussy about this and insist on referring to the Lord as "Yeshua" and drop the name "Jesus"? The name Yeshua comes from Joshua's Hebrew name, Yehoshua, which sometimes appears in its shortened form, Yeshua (e.g., see Neh. 8:17). Now Yeshua, when transliterated into Greek, comes out Iesous (YAY-soos) (the final sigma is necessary in the nominative case to designate a proper name). In old English, the "y" sound was rendered as "j," and thus we obtain "Jesus": Link: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Is_Christ_Jewish_/is_christ_jewish_.html What does the pronunciation of a word matter to a God who knows the heart? |
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What about the name "Jesus"? Now how about the name "Jesus"? Do we have a transliteration problem here? Need we get fussy about this and insist on referring to the Lord as "Yeshua" and drop the name "Jesus"? The name Yeshua comes from Joshua's Hebrew name, Yehoshua, which sometimes appears in its shortened form, Yeshua (e.g., see Neh. 8:17). Now Yeshua, when transliterated into Greek, comes out Iesous (YAY-soos) (the final sigma is necessary in the nominative case to designate a proper name). In old English, the "y" sound was rendered as "j," and thus we obtain "Jesus": Link: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Is_Christ_Jewish_/is_christ_jewish_.html Their they are following the Jewish train of thought in using Je or Ye.. this to keep you from saying the Holy name. The rest of that thought they are chr-stian of course they are going to make that train of thought come out in thier litature. But they are wrong. Jc can not possibly be meaning anything else because look how long it has been used. Is the thinking.. The Masses have to be right. Or the elite. Who will not change tradition because Money to them is involved |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Mon 11/17/08 03:10 PM
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To ad some as I am researching the name JC . we know that in the english language we or you call the father J-hovah.
So i will demonstrate what I can as the Je in both names is really up for grabs for what it means or how it was translated. But I am searching. I am finding it harder and harder to find as new updates of these reference books are following along the thought of chr-stianity instead of scholarly. You can make of it what you will why this may be. So we will start with J-hovah. I do not change to proper names when showing a reference I copied and pasted i leave it alone. OT:3067 OT:3068 ho*hy= Yehovah (yeh-ho-vaw'); from OT:1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: KJV - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare OT:3050, OT:3069. (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) Anywhere where you see a capital LORD in the OT it is very well known and usually in the preface of a bible that is from the Hebrew YHWH to where we get Yahweh from.And also a e to where even seen in Hallelujah jah is a a correctly puy this should be HalleluYah meaning Praise Yahweh. They did not change as you can see the a sound in a word clearly having his name in it. You can even see here how a reference book has changed the letters to start with a J to guide you in that direction that they wish. namely what is the name. Here we do have them acknowlging the name Yahweh Howdevah OT:1937 Howdevah — Hodevah = "praise of Jehovah (Yahweh)" the head of a Levitical family returning from exile in the time of Nehemiah (from The Online Bible Thayer's Greek Lexicon and Brown Driver & Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, Copyright © 1993, Woodside Bible Fellowship, Ontario, Canada. Licensed from the Institute for Creation Research.) now what about the rest of the word Hovah. Thier is a word Hovah in the Hebrew language that is very clear and precise in it's meaning. Now this is small but I will leave it as that as I search. Here is the Hebrew Definition of Hovah. Yahshua said I come in my fathers name. His name literally means Yahweh saves. Yahweh means I AM THAT I AM Now this is what the most of JC by your own scholars and reference books say Most of J-Hovah means. Is this who you really want to call upon by your tradition? Who has these attributes. Thier is more to the meaning also.. As I will show hopefully later along with JC. hovah OT:1943 hovah — ruin, disaster (from The Online Bible Thayer's Greek Lexicon and Brown Driver & Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, Copyright © 1993, Woodside Bible Fellowship, Ontario, Canada. Licensed from the Institute for Creation Research.) Blessings...Miles |
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What about the name "Jesus"? Now how about the name "Jesus"? Do we have a transliteration problem here? Need we get fussy about this and insist on referring to the Lord as "Yeshua" and drop the name "Jesus"? The name Yeshua comes from Joshua's Hebrew name, Yehoshua, which sometimes appears in its shortened form, Yeshua (e.g., see Neh. 8:17). Now Yeshua, when transliterated into Greek, comes out Iesous (YAY-soos) (the final sigma is necessary in the nominative case to designate a proper name). In old English, the "y" sound was rendered as "j," and thus we obtain "Jesus": Link: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Is_Christ_Jewish_/is_christ_jewish_.html Exactly. Thanks for sharing that, Up2Us. Once more..God is NOT gonna condemn people ...cause they call upon Jesus in their own language..instead of just HEBREW!! This religious nonsense isn't just sad, it is just plain silly. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 11/17/08 04:05 PM
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What about the name "Jesus"? Now how about the name "Jesus"? Do we have a transliteration problem here? Need we get fussy about this and insist on referring to the Lord as "Yeshua" and drop the name "Jesus"? The name Yeshua comes from Joshua's Hebrew name, Yehoshua, which sometimes appears in its shortened form, Yeshua (e.g., see Neh. 8:17). Now Yeshua, when transliterated into Greek, comes out Iesous (YAY-soos) (the final sigma is necessary in the nominative case to designate a proper name). In old English, the "y" sound was rendered as "j," and thus we obtain "Jesus": Link: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Is_Christ_Jewish_/is_christ_jewish_.html Their they are following the Jewish train of thought in using Je or Ye.. this to keep you from saying the Holy name. The rest of that thought they are chr-stian of course they are going to make that train of thought come out in thier litature. But they are wrong. Jc can not possibly be meaning anything else because look how long it has been used. Is the thinking.. The Masses have to be right. Or the elite. Who will not change tradition because Money to them is involved I feel there is no need to say anymore. Be Blessed Now ,Miles. |
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What about the name "Jesus"? Now how about the name "Jesus"? Do we have a transliteration problem here? Need we get fussy about this and insist on referring to the Lord as "Yeshua" and drop the name "Jesus"? The name Yeshua comes from Joshua's Hebrew name, Yehoshua, which sometimes appears in its shortened form, Yeshua (e.g., see Neh. 8:17). Now Yeshua, when transliterated into Greek, comes out Iesous (YAY-soos) (the final sigma is necessary in the nominative case to designate a proper name). In old English, the "y" sound was rendered as "j," and thus we obtain "Jesus": Link: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Is_Christ_Jewish_/is_christ_jewish_.html Exactly. Thanks for sharing that, Up2Us. Once more..God is NOT gonna condemn people ...cause they call upon Jesus in their own language..instead of just HEBREW!! This religious nonsense isn't just sad, it is just plain silly. Well lets see about that. Did the Translaters know thier Bible? Heb 4:8 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. KJV Now who is this passage refering to? Heb 4:8 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day NKJV Which is it? Who are we talking about here? Now we do not like passover lets see why? Acts 12:4 4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. KJV Acts 12:4 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover. NKJV Now which is correct here.. They both can not be. The truth is Pasha is the word from which both was translated. Untill 50 years ago most did not have a clue because of the Most Holy KJV Bible. 28 times Pasha is in the NT. I time translated completely wrong. It has to be a direct injection into the scriptures as the King James said.. FYI.. King James is not a King in the bible.. Some think he is. Then Hebrews 4:8.. How did JC's name get thier untill 50 years ago. Your JC is who gave them rest, But Joshua did not. Now lets think logically here. If Joshua which is way closer is what was through the whole NT and they were transcribing it. The easiest thing to do is where ever Joshua is insert JC. Proves JC was not thier then. How else could you account for such a simple error among a 100 scholars King James had ordered to transcribe a English Bible. It is really sad thier is no amount of evidence that can show you that the biggest conspericy of Modern man has happened. Praise Yahweh for letting them make the mistakes. Yet you want to be a Flower child I believe. At least t sound like it. When Satan has done exactly as Prophecied he would do. Shalom...Miles |
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I see that this is being left alone. But to those who say they believe and worship the Elohim of Abraham.. This is a Salvation Issue that I would not take lightly.
What did Yahshua mean and was refering to when he said this? Matt 12:25-32 25 But Yahshua knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of Yahweh, surely the kingdom of Yahweh has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad. 31 The Unpardonable Sin (Mark 3:28-30) "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. NKJV Yahshua said he brought only 1 thing new but was from the beginning new... John 13:34-35 4 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." NKJV John 7:16-19 My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me. 17 If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from Yahweh or whether I speak on My own authority. 18 He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him. 19 Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law? Why do you seek to kill Me?" NKJV So in these words. Do you speak of your own authority? Or do you speak of the Doctrine of Yahweh? Then what is the Doctrine of Yahweh that both the Messiah and The Apostles Taught and Kept? Here is just one that has been misinterpreted and forgotten about. Yahshua said in the NT that thier was only 1 sin that could not be forgiven. He said he did not bring no new doctrine. So if we look at the Doctrine of Yahweh, did he say thier was a sin he would not forgive? If so we better take note and not rely on someone elses doctrine but only the Doctrine of the Holy One. For you are responcible for what you know. If you defy The Word Of Truth you Deny Yahshua our Messiah and you Deny the Holy Spirit. Ex 20:7 7 "You shall not take the name of Yahweh your Elohim in vain, for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. NKJV I believe anyone here can see that the word Guiltless= sinless. This is the only command you will find like this and it is dealing with Yahweh's name. The word Vain what does that really mean? OT:7723 OT:7723 aw=v* shav' (shawv); or shav (shav); from the same as OT:7722 in the sense of desolating; evil (as destructive), literally (ruin) or morally (especially guile); figuratively idolatry (as false, subjective), uselessness (as deceptive, objective; also adverbially, in vain): KJV - false (-ly), lie, lying, vain, vanity. IT SAYS FROM # 7722 OT:7722 aov show' (sho); or (feminine) show'ah (sho-aw'); or sho'ah (sho-aw'); from an unused root meaning to rush over; a tempest; by implication, devastation: KJV - desolate (-ion), destroy, destruction, storm, wasteness. (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) Vain in the Hebrew here = desolate (-ion), destroy, destruction, storm, wasteness. #7723 = in the sense of desolating; evil (as destructive), literally (ruin) or morally (especially guile); figuratively idolatry (as false, subjective), uselessness Now all you who believe you can say anything you like. Then I would challenge you to prove it. If not then you are what I am saying and the scriptures back me up losing your salvation and will not inherit life. The name of Yahweh has come to ruin. It has been desolated. It has been said as being useless of non importance. I would wake up. If you believe that thier is a creator of Heaven and earth and all that is in them. For this is what Yahweh says he is right before he speaks of not holding you guiltless if you deny and if you use another name in its place. His name defines who he is..THE ALMIGHTY OF ALL!!!! May Yahweh"s Spirit Flow That Some Might Be Saved...Shalom...Miles |
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I don't believe that salvation can come through words or rituals, but only through the power and glory and grace of God can one be saved.
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I don't believe that salvation can come through words or rituals, but only through the power and glory and grace of God can one be saved. Right thier is what Yahshua said. We are told do not rely on your own understanding. We are to speak of the Doctrine of Yahweh no matter what that may be. Just because it is hard to understand does not mean it is not true. Satan is the g-d of this world. Yahshua said he was rejected and if another comes him you will accept.. John 5:43 Just who is the one the World has accepted in his own name. Yahshua just said'' John 7:16-19 My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me. 17 If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from Yahweh or whether I speak on My own authority. 18 He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him. 19 Did not Moses give you the law, yet none of you keeps the law? Why do you seek to kill Me?" NKJV He who speaks of himself speaks his own glory. Who does this? Isa 14:12-17 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer/Helel, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of Elohim; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.' 15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit. 16 "Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: 'Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, 17 Who made the world as a wilderness And destroyed its cities, Who did not open the house of his prisoners?' NKJV satan 's Doctrine is who you praise when you say that. For it is he who speaks of himself. Do not rely on your own understanding but search the scriptures to see if these are true. Blessings of Yahweh's Shalom Be With You....Miles |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 11/17/08 08:53 PM
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Praying you Get delivered from this religious spirit..this legalistic bondage you are in , Miles.
Praying that whole religious sect you joined ,gets set free too . I say this in all serious, and with love and concern. Last time I'm gonna say this.... God is NOT gonna condemn people for Calling His Name Jesus(English) instead of Yeshua(Hebrew). And God is NOT going to condemn the many other cultures of the world , for Calling upon Jesus Name... in THEIR own Language either!!! Praying you get free now, Miles. ps....also...people don't lose their salavation, for not saying God's name a certian way. God is not that kind of petty God. Futhermore...Once a person is born of God, that person cannot become unborn of God. God Bless You Now,Miles. |
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