That statement applies to the person in the black robe that is about to
impose a jail sentence.

there is only one person who can truly judge anyone and
he doesnt wear a black robe

Hi Jean...
What I have said is what I mean, nothing more and nothing less. We are
all entitled to our opinions and yes, I agree with you that opinions are
not judgement. I do not judge people as human beings or what their
worth is as one, based on what they do for a living, what kind of
clothes they wear or the car they drive, etc. No one can put words in my
mouth or speak to the thoughts I have in my head or what's in my heart,
except for me. I am proud to be the person I am today as far from
perfect as I am.

Thanks, Jane.

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Some people apparently think, however, that if you say anything
whatsosever about any kind of behavior that offends you, that that
somehow means you think you're "perfect."

I don't understand that way of thinking. I'm a far cry from being
"perfect," but I wasn't raised to condone just any and all behavior. I
was raised to try to make sound judgments with regard to what should be
construed as "acceptable moral behavior" and what shouldn't be.

Now, passing judgment (or prejudgment, if you will) on people would be
to state that, for instance, all Black people are thieves or all
Hispanics living here are illegal immigrants or all whites are rednecks
or all Asians own restaurants where they serve dog as their main dish or
all Egyptians own 7-11s.

That is being prejudiced and has no basis in fact. That is passing
unfair judgment on people; it is not stating an opinion about what one
might find to be disrespectful behavior.

That was the intention of this thread and if I didn't get my point
across now, it's doubtful I EVER will.

Over here those words are called racial slurs and ignorance. Opinions,
prejudice and judgement are all different. In theory and in concept.

Opinions can be used to hide or mask prejudice and judgement for sure.
But are most always transparent when spoken with a forked tongue or with
an ulterior motive.

OK....it's friday night and that's my heavy opinion for tonight.

True that, and you make a valid point.

But here also are some synonyms for the word "judgment."

1. determination. 2. discrimination, discernment, perspicacity;
sagacity, wisdom, intelligence, prudence.

i.e., the ability to employ the use of COMMON SENSE...

that's how I see it, anyway.

Everybody Judges to some extent.

I agree with Jane and Klugman insofar as that EVERY SIGNLE HUMAN BEING
ALIVE JUDGES and they almost always make a prejudgement based on first
impressions. That is why one of my most ardent beliefs is to NOT trust
my first (or even second at times) impression of anybody.Forgive me for
using you as an example here Jane...
When I first met Jane, if I had gone off my first ocple impressions I
would have LABELED her as a man hater. HOWEVER, because I refuse to
base anything off of first impression if I can at all avoid it, I KNOW
that Jane is anythign BUT a man hater. She is someone that DOES follow
her belief system, which is far mre than a lot of people can say. I
konw there have been times that I went with the crowd cause it was
easier than walking my own path, and I am sorry that I did so.
I will be the first persont o tell you that I have an opinion/judgement
about every single person I meet, or every situation I am inknowledge
of. However, that doe snot make mer right, and I refuse to let thos
jedgements skew my actions or beliefs.

The way I look at it people can judge me all they want to, it doesn't
bother me one way or the other. As long as when i leave this world I
don't owe any apologies that will be fine by me. I live my life the way
I want and only I suffer the consequences. And I can live with that

very good rule to live by man...

I've been called a man-hater in forum discussions before and the
hilarious thing about it is, nothing could be further from the truth. I
ADORE men. I just ABHOR (some of) their behavior, that's all.

But Daniel, you say you make judgments, then refuse to let your judgment
skew your actions or beliefs.

That sounds contradictory, to me. I try not to make prejudicial
judgments ....i.e., making a judgment before I know the facts, or making
a judgment based on stereotypes, and what have you, but...

Once I have all the facts about a particular situation/person, then I'll
make a judgment...i.e., come to a conclusion as to forming an opinion
about their behavior and decide whether or not I find it offensive or
not offensive.

And if I find it offensive, then that's my final decision. I cannot
state on the one hand that I disagree with a behavior, then on the other
state that it's acceptable. That is purely hypocritical.

Case in point:

Say someone robs a convenience store. Deplorable behavior. No excuse.

Does the fact that he claims he had a baby to feed at home make it any
more excusable? Not in my book it doesn't. There is nothing you can say
that justifies him having done that.


Why are people seemingly so afraid to show some moral conscience these
days?

I'm not, and I'm hardly what you'd call "conservative" or "fundamental."
Just ask my family...bunch of Bush-loving die-hard Republicans. I'm the
black sheep in that bunch, to be sure.

Oh my goodness daniel! LMAO....how could anyone think I was a man
hater?! I don't recall ever saying or doing anything that would
indicate hate towards men. I am quite fond of them, really. Just not
the scammer's, viscious player's, hypocrites or liar's. I call them
like I see them, lol.

But, I understand what you're saying. Quite often men, and women, think
a woman who is fiercely independent, goal orientated, speaks for self
and uses their spine is often labelled as such. That's why perception
can be used as an opportunity to label and stereo type versus getting to
know someone.

Perception is a cop out. An excuse to not give other's the opportunity
to be known as a real person. For whatever those reason's may be, but
they are the reason's of the person casting the labels and stereo
typing, not the other person.

Very true bucket. So very true. Plus being able to look at self in the
mirror each morning

and being able to go to bed at night with a clear concience.
Probably didn't spell that right. sorry

I do judge others, the crack dealer on the side walk, I want nothing to
do with I judge him. The prostitute on 36th street that I don't want my
daughter to grow up to be, I judge her. But then I get to thinking, what
does it take to do such things?Just one slip,one wrong turn in my
life,and I could be that Crack dealer, with a prostitute for a
daughter.Or The bum behind the Garbage bin on 24th and Vine, who was a
soldier and a good man, who's now an alcoholic living on garbage.My
world view has been changed.I don't want to become like them, but I
don't think they should "burn in hell."So I use discretion, I decide who
I want around me,what would be best for my family.But I will no longer
Judge those who live differently than I.

I judge as do all, just keep it as my opinion.
Others don't have to follow my opinion

OMG I am so sorry Jane. I knew this was gonna happen sooner or later as
my fingers mtype faster than I can spell sometimes, lmao. I meant to
name JEAN not you (JANE) when I said man hater So sorry
hun...

OMG I am so sorry Jane. I knew this was gonna happen sooner or later as
my fingers mtype faster than I can spell sometimes, lmao. I meant to
name JEAN not you (JANE) when I said man hater So sorry
hun...

Daniel, that's fkn ABSURD. What makes you think I'm a man-hater?

Let me elaborate...

Why? Because I don't think it's a woman's place to be subservient to
you?

Why? Because I don't think it's a woman's place to be used as sexual
"entertainment" for you?

Why? Because I think women are, in all ways, equal to men and deserving
of equal respect?

Why? Because I think women should get equal pay for equal work?

Why? Because I think that women shouldn't be victims of rape?

Why? Because I think that women shouldn't be used as the punchline for
juvenile, potty-humor jokes?

Why? Because I get offended at women's sexuality being laughed at, as if
it were some kind of a joke?

Why? Because I get offended that practically all men talk about with
regard to the qualities a woman has is nearly always something sexual?

Tell me what it is about me that gives you the impression I hate men.