Topic: Don't get complacent
coz1976's photo
Thu 10/16/08 09:06 PM
hussein got hung by his own people they wanted him out

madisonman's photo
Thu 10/16/08 09:08 PM

hussein got hung by his own people they wanted him out
I dont think you would have much trouble finding someone to put bush on trial either and find him guilty.

no photo
Thu 10/16/08 09:29 PM










yeah we should let them destroy the sears tower airports and anything else they want how many died in 9-11 who took it to them anybody started anything here except whinners


Bush didn't do much about it.


Right. What did Bush do about bin laden and 9/11?

do you not understand that what hussein was doing over there was not right eithen if he did not have anything to do with 9-11.his own people hung him!!!!!!!!!!!!!


well if ya want you and me can invade pakistan and catch bin laden? honestly if he ahd done what was needed ot get binladen wed be fighting the whole middle east right now,lol. id say he chose right based on how quickly americans wanted ot pull the plug on the entire war effort.


So you along with others are going to tell me that getting bin laden was TOO HARD so we went and got an easier non affiliated target in Saddam WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11, right?

That make us murderers.

I do not blame the military so this is not an attack on them. I am attacking the politics that got us into the illegal war to begin with.





lol honey. freeing oppressed people dont make us murderers. we came in and got saddam if the country ahd been like "ok you got him thanks we got it form ehre" we would have left, indstead foreign fighters came flowing in and we had ot keep them afloat so no other country absorbed iraq unto themselves. if we are "murderers" like you say it IS the soldiers youre blaming. we were the oens doing the work, enjoying our jobs and protecting kids and the rights for the iraqis to vote. i was there during their elections! old men walking around holding their fingers up with the ink stains, smiles full of crooked teeth. it was worth the 4,000 lives weve lost and they may not know it now, but later on they will know it was worth putting up with us, and worht the over 1,000,000 men who died and were killed ont heir soil.


Soldiers doing what they are told is honorable it is their job and they do it well. I have no issue with that at all. If the soldiers have to make themselves believe the war was justified even if Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, I am cool with that too.

But none of what you said makes us justified in bombing them, invading them and occupying their country. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. You cannot justify that on any level.



husseins own people hung him









And we help put him in power, gave him technology and $$$$$$$..Did you forget about that!!!!

TJN's photo
Thu 10/16/08 10:01 PM


hussein got hung by his own people they wanted him out
I dont think you would have much trouble finding someone to put bush on trial either and find him guilty.
hasnt dennis kusinich been trying that for almost 8 years now and came up with nothing

Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 10/17/08 12:57 AM




yeah we should all vote for the one not raising taxes on anybody.little thing they don't want to mention if you make under 40,000 a year obamas raising your taxes to


That's because it's not true.laugh

How many times does he have to say it? frustrated

The taxes of people earning over $250,000 will be increased by 3%. And only the amount over $250,000 will have that tax increase. People under $250,000 will be receiving a tax cut.
i guess the news shows are lying with there graphs then you notice he keeps saying hes not raising taxes on the middle class thats his exact words


What do you call middle class? Under $250,000 per year?


The deal with Obama's "tax cuts" is that they are economically impossible when looking at the bigger picture. He is not cutting anything to save money. His plans are MUCH more aggressive "spending wise" than McCains. or even Bush's (his actual plans). Giving people a tax cut, AND a 70 to 100 billion dollar a year health plan is dangerous as there is another tax nobody talks about.

You ever year of inflation? Yes, it's a tax. used to be about 2 percent a year. but now, since the bailout, they are predicting 10 or so. Inflation takes the money you have, and lowers the value. This is what CAUSES high medicine costs and high oil prices. Take a look, the value of our dollar went up recently (more like everyone else's dollar values went down), and look, we are paying 70 cents less in gas.

Inflation comes from the printing of unbacked money, and it being put into circulation. You know, the more of something that exists the less valuable it is... right? Well we have this working against us, so where are the other alternatives. Borrow more money from China? MOST, i say again, MOST of our tax dollars are going to pay the interest on this deficit. A deficit that is ever increasing...

Solution to this problem is simple. Spending cuts. You don't hear McSame or McBama talking about those now do you...?

My whole point is, we'd better hope that these "tax cuts" are empty promises, or we are all going to end up being dependent on government healthcare while not being able to afford to heat our homes, or drive to work...

madisonman's photo
Fri 10/17/08 06:33 AM





yeah we should all vote for the one not raising taxes on anybody.little thing they don't want to mention if you make under 40,000 a year obamas raising your taxes to


That's because it's not true.laugh

How many times does he have to say it? frustrated

The taxes of people earning over $250,000 will be increased by 3%. And only the amount over $250,000 will have that tax increase. People under $250,000 will be receiving a tax cut.
i guess the news shows are lying with there graphs then you notice he keeps saying hes not raising taxes on the middle class thats his exact words


What do you call middle class? Under $250,000 per year?


The deal with Obama's "tax cuts" is that they are economically impossible when looking at the bigger picture. He is not cutting anything to save money. His plans are MUCH more aggressive "spending wise" than McCains. or even Bush's (his actual plans). Giving people a tax cut, AND a 70 to 100 billion dollar a year health plan is dangerous as there is another tax nobody talks about.

You ever year of inflation? Yes, it's a tax. used to be about 2 percent a year. but now, since the bailout, they are predicting 10 or so. Inflation takes the money you have, and lowers the value. This is what CAUSES high medicine costs and high oil prices. Take a look, the value of our dollar went up recently (more like everyone else's dollar values went down), and look, we are paying 70 cents less in gas.

Inflation comes from the printing of unbacked money, and it being put into circulation. You know, the more of something that exists the less valuable it is... right? Well we have this working against us, so where are the other alternatives. Borrow more money from China? MOST, i say again, MOST of our tax dollars are going to pay the interest on this deficit. A deficit that is ever increasing...

Solution to this problem is simple. Spending cuts. You don't hear McSame or McBama talking about those now do you...?

My whole point is, we'd better hope that these "tax cuts" are empty promises, or we are all going to end up being dependent on government healthcare while not being able to afford to heat our homes, or drive to work...
Many people cant afford to heat their homes now or drive to work.

no photo
Fri 10/17/08 06:36 AM
how many... 1% 3%....??


gas is 2.50 a gallon here????


madisonman's photo
Fri 10/17/08 06:41 AM

how many... 1% 3%....??


gas is 2.50 a gallon here????


Yes they are comeing down but it has more to do with lack of demand due to everyone cutting back because they cant afford to drive.

me2g's photo
Fri 10/17/08 06:54 AM










yeah we should let them destroy the sears tower airports and anything else they want how many died in 9-11 who took it to them anybody started anything here except whinners


Bush didn't do much about it.


Right. What did Bush do about bin laden and 9/11?

do you not understand that what hussein was doing over there was not right eithen if he did not have anything to do with 9-11.his own people hung him!!!!!!!!!!!!!


well if ya want you and me can invade pakistan and catch bin laden? honestly if he ahd done what was needed ot get binladen wed be fighting the whole middle east right now,lol. id say he chose right based on how quickly americans wanted ot pull the plug on the entire war effort.


So you along with others are going to tell me that getting bin laden was TOO HARD so we went and got an easier non affiliated target in Saddam WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11, right?

That make us murderers.

I do not blame the military so this is not an attack on them. I am attacking the politics that got us into the illegal war to begin with.





lol honey. freeing oppressed people dont make us murderers. we came in and got saddam if the country ahd been like "ok you got him thanks we got it form ehre" we would have left, indstead foreign fighters came flowing in and we had ot keep them afloat so no other country absorbed iraq unto themselves. if we are "murderers" like you say it IS the soldiers youre blaming. we were the oens doing the work, enjoying our jobs and protecting kids and the rights for the iraqis to vote. i was there during their elections! old men walking around holding their fingers up with the ink stains, smiles full of crooked teeth. it was worth the 4,000 lives weve lost and they may not know it now, but later on they will know it was worth putting up with us, and worht the over 1,000,000 men who died and were killed ont heir soil.


Soldiers doing what they are told is honorable it is their job and they do it well. I have no issue with that at all. If the soldiers have to make themselves believe the war was justified even if Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, I am cool with that too.

But none of what you said makes us justified in bombing them, invading them and occupying their country. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. You cannot justify that on any level.


husseins own people hung him


on the authority of GWB








me2g's photo
Fri 10/17/08 06:56 AM



back to the point vote mccain he is not raising taxes on poor,middle class,or rich:wink:


He's going to give people $5,000 to purchase health insurance and tax them on that.

give me 5,000 then tax it thats fine at least you gave it to me instead of not giving me anything and still taxing it


I think you probably should reread on this subject.. your not actually getting the $5000 your health care provider is... and your paying the taxes on it!!

Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 10/17/08 08:47 AM






yeah we should all vote for the one not raising taxes on anybody.little thing they don't want to mention if you make under 40,000 a year obamas raising your taxes to


That's because it's not true.laugh

How many times does he have to say it? frustrated

The taxes of people earning over $250,000 will be increased by 3%. And only the amount over $250,000 will have that tax increase. People under $250,000 will be receiving a tax cut.
i guess the news shows are lying with there graphs then you notice he keeps saying hes not raising taxes on the middle class thats his exact words


What do you call middle class? Under $250,000 per year?


The deal with Obama's "tax cuts" is that they are economically impossible when looking at the bigger picture. He is not cutting anything to save money. His plans are MUCH more aggressive "spending wise" than McCains. or even Bush's (his actual plans). Giving people a tax cut, AND a 70 to 100 billion dollar a year health plan is dangerous as there is another tax nobody talks about.

You ever year of inflation? Yes, it's a tax. used to be about 2 percent a year. but now, since the bailout, they are predicting 10 or so. Inflation takes the money you have, and lowers the value. This is what CAUSES high medicine costs and high oil prices. Take a look, the value of our dollar went up recently (more like everyone else's dollar values went down), and look, we are paying 70 cents less in gas.

Inflation comes from the printing of unbacked money, and it being put into circulation. You know, the more of something that exists the less valuable it is... right? Well we have this working against us, so where are the other alternatives. Borrow more money from China? MOST, i say again, MOST of our tax dollars are going to pay the interest on this deficit. A deficit that is ever increasing...

Solution to this problem is simple. Spending cuts. You don't hear McSame or McBama talking about those now do you...?

My whole point is, we'd better hope that these "tax cuts" are empty promises, or we are all going to end up being dependent on government healthcare while not being able to afford to heat our homes, or drive to work...
Many people cant afford to heat their homes now or drive to work.


Then you see my point....drinker drinker

Thomas27's photo
Fri 10/17/08 02:56 PM
According to today's New York Times, (who endorses Obama), it states that middle class Americans would receive more of a tax cut under McCain's plan than Obama's. Obama's plan is the most beneficial to people that pay no federal income tax. More or less, they will be getting a big welfare check. That is fact.

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Fri 10/17/08 03:04 PM

All those Obama supporters out there, do not get complacent. This fight is just beginning and it will not end until when the polls close on election day.

The polls can cause people to not vote and every vote is needed regardless to what the polls say.

Vote!!!!


Amen to that:thumbsup:

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Fri 10/17/08 03:15 PM


well if hes giving all these cuts, how are we going to fix the economy? lol.


and free healthcare is crap btw, look at england, you dont have to pay, but boy is your doctor a hack.


The people that have health insurance with their work, will be keeping that same insurance.

The healthcare plan that Obama is suggesting is for the people that don't have insurance and have fallen through the cracks.

I thought that I heard him say that those people will be paying a small premium.

that sucks.Healthcare premiums are outrageous and lots of people drop work insurance so they can afford to live.There should be an affordable health insurance plan(that actually covers something,not the 80/20 crap)available to all.The more who sign on the cheaper the premiums would be.

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Fri 10/17/08 03:16 PM

According to today's New York Times, (who endorses Obama), it states that middle class Americans would receive more of a tax cut under McCain's plan than Obama's. Obama's plan is the most beneficial to people that pay no federal income tax. More or less, they will be getting a big welfare check. That is fact.

oh like the rebate checks we got?same ****.

Thomas27's photo
Fri 10/17/08 03:28 PM


According to today's New York Times, (who endorses Obama), it states that middle class Americans would receive more of a tax cut under McCain's plan than Obama's. Obama's plan is the most beneficial to people that pay no federal income tax. More or less, they will be getting a big welfare check. That is fact.

oh like the rebate checks we got?same ****.


Not hardly sister, try about 5 to 7 thousand for people that don't pay taxes.

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Fri 10/17/08 03:31 PM



According to today's New York Times, (who endorses Obama), it states that middle class Americans would receive more of a tax cut under McCain's plan than Obama's. Obama's plan is the most beneficial to people that pay no federal income tax. More or less, they will be getting a big welfare check. That is fact.

oh like the rebate checks we got?same ****.


Not hardly sister, try about 5 to 7 thousand for people that don't pay taxes.


Well bro congress has to approve it so keep your shirt on.

no photo
Fri 10/17/08 03:33 PM



According to today's New York Times, (who endorses Obama), it states that middle class Americans would receive more of a tax cut under McCain's plan than Obama's. Obama's plan is the most beneficial to people that pay no federal income tax. More or less, they will be getting a big welfare check. That is fact.

oh like the rebate checks we got?same ****.


Not hardly sister, try about 5 to 7 thousand for people that don't pay taxes.
Hey were giving 700 billion away!!!!!

no photo
Fri 10/17/08 03:34 PM




According to today's New York Times, (who endorses Obama), it states that middle class Americans would receive more of a tax cut under McCain's plan than Obama's. Obama's plan is the most beneficial to people that pay no federal income tax. More or less, they will be getting a big welfare check. That is fact.

oh like the rebate checks we got?same ****.


Not hardly sister, try about 5 to 7 thousand for people that don't pay taxes.


Well bro congress has to approve it so keep your shirt on.
The reps will be losing more seats in Nov..

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Fri 10/17/08 03:35 PM




According to today's New York Times, (who endorses Obama), it states that middle class Americans would receive more of a tax cut under McCain's plan than Obama's. Obama's plan is the most beneficial to people that pay no federal income tax. More or less, they will be getting a big welfare check. That is fact.

oh like the rebate checks we got?same ****.


Not hardly sister, try about 5 to 7 thousand for people that don't pay taxes.
Hey were giving 700 billion away!!!!!

to rich corporations so they can go to the spa!!woot!!