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Topic: Things to Ponder in this Election Year
Quikstepper Joined Mon 04/28/08 Posts: 2998	Thu 09/25/08 06:07 PM
I don't care if you are a Republican or Democrat, this will be of major interest to you. Please read and pass on. Part 3 of this should really open everyone's eyes! Take from this what you want. But READ THIS!! This email comes in three parts: Part 1 In just two years . Remember the election in 2006? Thought you might like to read the following: A little over one year ago: 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high; 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon; 3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%. Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen: 1) Consumer confidence plummet; 2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon; 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase); 4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses); 5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars; 6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure. America voted for change in 2006, and we got it! Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him. Part 2: Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing. www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008 Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500 Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500 Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000 Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250 Both democratic candidates say they will return us to the higher tax rates PART 3: You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this about where we are REALLY spending our money: Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts. 1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl..com/zob77 2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html 3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html 4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA NSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html 5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html 9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html 11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht 12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the & gt; total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf 13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm 14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .' Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. Why are we THAT stupid?

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 09/25/08 06:15 PM
I don't care if you are a Republican or Democrat, this will be of major interest to you. Please read and pass on. Part 3 of this should really open everyone's eyes! Take from this what you want. But READ THIS!! This email comes in three parts: Part 1 In just two years . Remember the election in 2006? Thought you might like to read the following: A little over one year ago: 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high; 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon; 3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%. Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen: 1) Consumer confidence plummet; 2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon; 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase); 4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses); 5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars; 6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure. America voted for change in 2006, and we got it! Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him. Part 2: Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing. www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008 Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500 Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500 Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000 Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250 Both democratic candidates say they will return us to the higher tax rates PART 3: You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this about where we are REALLY spending our money: Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts. 1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl..com/zob77 2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html 3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html 4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA NSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html 5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html 9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html 11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht 12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the & gt; total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf 13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm 14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .' Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. Why are we THAT stupid? We would have to be to beleive that all this was caused in the year and ahalf since the Dems took over congress...Come on!!!!

bergeia Joined Tue 08/12/08 Posts: 4022	Thu 09/25/08 06:22 PM
Where did you cut/paste all that crap? dont agree with it? oh well. argue the point, dont just slander it. I won't waste my time arguing with an idiotic post alleging the Democrats screwed everything up in a year and a half. nice argument. id say the numbers are right though, and even if its cut and pasted, we allg et our news form the same 3 friggin places,lol. your view is just skewed by your political alignment.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 09/25/08 06:23 PM
Where did you cut/paste all that crap? dont agree with it? oh well. argue the point, dont just slander it. Come on man, even you have to know its been going down hill way before 2006!!!!

t22learner Joined Mon 07/02/07 Posts: 1774	Thu 09/25/08 06:24 PM
Where did you cut/paste all that crap? dont agree with it? oh well. argue the point, dont just slander it. I won't waste my time arguing with an idiotic post alleging the Democrats screwed everything up in a year and a half. your view is just skewed by your political alignment. As are yours.

AdventureBegins Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7666	Thu 09/25/08 06:27 PM
Where did you cut/paste all that crap? Reckon if you read the post you will see... Guess what... the references where you can look it up (Not just a single reference but each and every point). did you even read the post?

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Thu 09/25/08 06:34 PM Edited by Winx on Thu 09/25/08 06:38 PM
Oops. Darn dog interfering again.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 09/25/08 06:35 PM Edited by Unknow on Thu 09/25/08 06:39 PM
Where did you cut/paste all that crap? Reckon if you read the post you will see... Guess what... the references where you can look it up (Not just a single reference but each and every point). did you even read the post? I did and how can you blame that on congress since 2006..I agree with numbers..The housing bust was happening way before that, the economy was sliding before that,illegals have been a big problem since???, The feds don't control the states( might want to vote locally and change that)...The tax comparison with Clinton....Its time to move forward not back..But hey look at the economy in the Clinton years...Hey JMO

Quikstepper Joined Mon 04/28/08 Posts: 2998	Thu 09/25/08 06:38 PM
Where did you cut/paste all that crap? dont agree with it? oh well. argue the point, dont just slander it. It's all there.... the truth hurts. I find that Libs never like facts... I know that they will do to the rest of the country what Corzine did to NJ. Everything has gone up & everything is a crisis. It won't be anything else if DEMS take over DC. I do believe the economy is tanking because DEMS need to say how aweful things are... it's politically expediant for THEM...(or so they think). You watch & see... if people are complaining about REPS then they will have much more to complain about when DEMS take the helm. I really wouldn't mind it so much except DEMS it's scarey that DEMS change the laws to take our rights away...making what's constitutional, unconstitutional. They hate social conservatives for trying to preserve all that is good about America. DEMS think we don't pay enough for fuel as it is. They also don't want to use coal or fuel shale...& Gore is already insighting people to do damage. How does that help get us off oil dependancy & get people back to work???? Sad! Very sad. ...excuse me if I'm rambling...but I already know the drill.

damnitscloudy Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 11293	Thu 09/25/08 06:39 PM
So the democrat congress actually worked!? OMG

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Thu 09/25/08 06:40 PM
I don't care if you are a Republican or Democrat, this will be of major interest to you. Please read and pass on. Part 3 of this should really open everyone's eyes! Take from this what you want. But READ THIS!! This email comes in three parts: Part 1 In just two years . Remember the election in 2006? Thought you might like to read the following: A little over one year ago: 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high; 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon; 3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%. Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen: 1) Consumer confidence plummet; 2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $4.10 a gallon; 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase); 4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses); 5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars; 6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure. America voted for change in 2006, and we got it! Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him. Part 2: Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing. www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008 Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500 Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500 Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000 Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250 Both democratic candidates say they will return us to the higher tax rates PART 3: You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this about where we are REALLY spending our money: Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS. I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts. 1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl..com/zob77 2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html 3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html 4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA NSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html 5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html 9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html 11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht 12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the & gt; total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf 13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm 14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .' Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. Why are we THAT stupid? We would have to be to beleive that all this was caused in the year and ahalf since the Dems took over congress...Come on!!!! I don't believe it!! Hello, there's been a war. And Bush could be more aggressive about the illegals. I also blame the rich guys that are hiring them and making money off of them.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 09/25/08 06:41 PM Edited by Unknow on Thu 09/25/08 06:43 PM
Where did you cut/paste all that crap? dont agree with it? oh well. argue the point, dont just slander it. It's all there.... the truth hurts. I find that Libs never like facts... I know that they will do to the rest of the country what Corzine did to NJ. Everything has gone up & everything is a crisis. It won't be anything else if DEMS take over DC. I do believe the economy is tanking because DEMS need to say how aweful things are... it's politically expediant for THEM...(or so they think). You watch & see... if people are complaining about REPS then they will have much more to complain about when DEMS take the helm. I really wouldn't mind it so much except DEMS it's scarey that DEMS change the laws to take our rights away...making what's constitutional, unconstitutional. They hate social conservatives for trying to preserve all that is good about America. DEMS think we don't pay enough for fuel as it is. They also don't want to use coal or fuel shale...& Gore is already insighting people to do damage. How does that help get us off oil dependancy & get people back to work???? Sad! Very sad. ...excuse me if I'm rambling...but I already know the drill. So you are blaming everything in the last year and a half...Come on you have got to be smater than that!!!Yes I blame congress for not fixing the mess that was there!!!

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Thu 09/25/08 06:41 PM
Where did you cut/paste all that crap? dont agree with it? oh well. argue the point, dont just slander it. It's all there.... the truth hurts. I find that Libs never like facts... I know that they will do to the rest of the country what Corzine did to NJ. Everything has gone up & everything is a crisis. It won't be anything else if DEMS take over DC. I do believe the economy is tanking because DEMS need to say how aweful things are... it's politically expediant for THEM...(or so they think). You watch & see... if people are complaining about REPS then they will have much more to complain about when DEMS take the helm. I really wouldn't mind it so much except DEMS it's scarey that DEMS change the laws to take our rights away...making what's constitutional, unconstitutional. They hate social conservatives for trying to preserve all that is good about America. DEMS think we don't pay enough for fuel as it is. They also don't want to use coal or fuel shale...& Gore is already insighting people to do damage. How does that help get us off oil dependancy & get people back to work???? Sad! Very sad. ...excuse me if I'm rambling...but I already know the drill. All this Dem. prejudiced talk erases your credibility, IMO.

Quikstepper Joined Mon 04/28/08 Posts: 2998	Thu 09/25/08 06:46 PM
Uh...DEMS like them too. Or haven't you heard of those limosine libs???? Oh! I forgot...it's all about those meany REPS...right? LOL Like only REPS are rich. I seem to recall that Bloomberg (that idiot) said if NYC got rid of the illegals it would shut down NY. Can you imagine? An elected official actually admitted that????? Bloomberg is a lib dem hiding behind whatever is politically expediant & self serving. He's an egomaniac too. I can't stand him. As I have been saying there's enough blame to GO AROUND! You can't point fingers unless you are willing to also place blame & clean up your OWN party. So far it's REPS who do have accountability. I don't see it with DEMS & that's why they are so corrupt & so superficial.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 09/25/08 06:47 PM
So the democrat congress actually worked!? OMG Come on man..All these problems just pop up since 2006...Where do you live..

bergeia Joined Tue 08/12/08 Posts: 4022	Thu 09/25/08 06:49 PM
each party is incredibly and indelibly responsible. except the independents,lol

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 09/25/08 06:49 PM
Uh...DEMS like them too. Or haven't you heard of those limosine libs???? Oh! I forgot...it's all about those meany REPS...right? LOL Like only REPS are rich. I seem to recall that Bloomberg (that idiot) said if NYC got rid of the illegals it would shut down NY. Can you imagine? An elected official actually admitted that????? Bloomberg is a lib dem hiding behind whatever is politically expediant & self serving. He's an egomaniac too. I can't stand him. As I have been saying there's enough blame to GO AROUND! You can't point fingers unless you are willing to also place blame & clean up your OWN party. So far it's REPS who do have accountability. I don't see it with DEMS & that's why they are so corrupt & so superficial. Instead of replying to someones comment you just ramble on..I will ask again..You are saying all these problems were brought on since 2006..Nothing before that had anything to do with it?

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Thu 09/25/08 06:49 PM
Uh...DEMS like them too. Or haven't you heard of those limosine libs???? Oh! I forgot...it's all about those meany REPS...right? LOL Like only REPS are rich. I seem to recall that Bloomberg (that idiot) said if NYC got rid of the illegals it would shut down NY. Can you imagine? An elected official actually admitted that????? Bloomberg is a lib dem hiding behind whatever is politically expediant & self serving. He's an egomaniac too. I can't stand him. As I have been saying there's enough blame to GO AROUND! You can't point fingers unless you are willing to also place blame & clean up your OWN party. So far it's REPS who do have accountability. I don't see it with DEMS & that's why they are so corrupt & so superficial. Instead of replying to someones comment you just ramble on..I will ask again..You are saying all these problems were brought on since 2006..Nothing before that had anything to do with it?

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Thu 09/25/08 06:50 PM Edited by Winx on Thu 09/25/08 06:51 PM
Blah, blah, blah. Prejudiced talk against the Democrats. Blah, blah. I see Democrats and Independents talking about the politicians and what they are doing wrong on here. I see the Republicans blasting a whole group of people called Democrats just because they're Democrats. That is just prejudiced!!

damnitscloudy Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 11293	Thu 09/25/08 06:53 PM
So the democrat congress actually worked!? OMG Come on man..All these problems just pop up since 2006...Where do you live.. It seems to me, that any congress held by either dems or reps do nothing except waste tax dollars. Atleast i can say i did something at work even if i'm just pushing a trash can around an airport