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Topic: Er hat die Augen zugemacht...
FearandLoathing's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:04 PM
"in seinem Blut tobt eine Schlacht" - 'He has closed his eyes, a battle rages in his blood'

Why are some people naturally more violent then others? I don't think this is just a mental issue, nor can it be fully blamed on the parenting of the child...so if those two answers are out why do you think some are more violent?

ljcc1964's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:06 PM

"in seinem Blut tobt eine Schlacht" - 'He has closed his eyes, a battle rages in his blood'

Why are some people naturally more violent then others? I don't think this is just a mental issue, nor can it be fully blamed on the parenting of the child...so if those two answers are out why do you think some are more violent?


I believe that our very first and strongest example of how to be as grown ups comes right from our parents.

FearandLoathing's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:06 PM


"in seinem Blut tobt eine Schlacht" - 'He has closed his eyes, a battle rages in his blood'

Why are some people naturally more violent then others? I don't think this is just a mental issue, nor can it be fully blamed on the parenting of the child...so if those two answers are out why do you think some are more violent?


I believe that our very first and strongest example of how to be as grown ups comes right from our parents.


Aside from that though...if we were to eliminate those two possibilities that I noted where would you turn?

ljcc1964's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:09 PM
Edited by ljcc1964 on Fri 09/05/08 10:10 PM
demon possession.

on further thought...it could be demonic oppression...or some other form of influence.


lgo's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:11 PM
I find that some people are just naturally aggresive. Its in their nature, like some are shy or timid. Maybe brain chemistry?

FearandLoathing's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:13 PM

I find that some people are just naturally aggresive. Its in their nature, like some are shy or timid. Maybe brain chemistry?


How would that be possible? Scientifically it isn't really plausible that someone is born "evil". I don't think anyone is born this way, they become it...but aside from the normal patsy of the parents what other conditions could have an impact?

challengingmind's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:14 PM
there's lots of reasons
desensitization
society
lack of communication
lack of social skills
enviroment
fustration level
brain chemical inbalance

ljcc1964's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:14 PM

I find that some people are just naturally aggresive. Its in their nature, like some are shy or timid. Maybe brain chemistry?


Very possible that it could be a chemical imbalance. But....that makes it sound like a fluke....like some kind of natural coincidence. And I don't believe that for one moment.

lgo's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:16 PM


I find that some people are just naturally aggresive. Its in their nature, like some are shy or timid. Maybe brain chemistry?


How would that be possible? Scientifically it isn't really plausible that someone is born "evil". I don't think anyone is born this way, they become it...but aside from the normal patsy of the parents what other conditions could have an impact?
enviroment.trouble in schools, neighborhoods. or like ljcc said demons.

challengingmind's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:17 PM
sensory overload
brain injury
sickness
virus
infection
lack of consistency
lack of structure
learned behavior
over medicated

DevilDog1987's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:18 PM
Jeffrey Dahmer
Young man from a normal family, as far as any family under a microscope can be designated "normal," reaches puberty and starts to fantasize about sex with dead men. As these fantasies begin to take over his conscious mind, his link with the real word begin to disintegrate. He becomes more and more alienated with his family, who cannot fathom what is going on and are powerless to help him.

He moves away, takes a low-level job far beneath his abilities, and starts to lure young minority men to his apartment where he conducts bizarre experiments on them, brutalizes and finally kills them. As if this were not enough, he then mutilates and decapitates them, has sex with their corpses and cannibalizes them.

Inevitably, he is brought to justice, and like many men who go to prison for life, he professes to find God and embrace religion before he was killed by a fellow prisoner. But does he really or is this just one more prisoner sham?



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Fri 09/05/08 10:26 PM
one I think dahmers parents were to afraid of what people would say and think instead of how to help. jeffery probably already showed the triad...he also knew what he was doing in order to lure men in the first place due to the fact that it was thought out

DevilDog1987's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:28 PM

one I think dahmers parents were to afraid of what people would say and think instead of how to help. jeffery probably already showed the triad...he also knew what he was doing in order to lure men in the first place due to the fact that it was thought out
he also tortured small animals for un back when he was a kid,his parent were very normal and did what they could to turn him around,but it was hopeless

FearandLoathing's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:32 PM


one I think dahmers parents were to afraid of what people would say and think instead of how to help. jeffery probably already showed the triad...he also knew what he was doing in order to lure men in the first place due to the fact that it was thought out
he also tortured small animals for un back when he was a kid,his parent were very normal and did what they could to turn him around,but it was hopeless


This to me is a big red flag for future violence, the torturing of small animals has been psychologically linked to a lot of serial killers. Take the weak and helpless to show your supremacy...

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Fri 09/05/08 10:33 PM



one I think dahmers parents were to afraid of what people would say and think instead of how to help. jeffery probably already showed the triad...he also knew what he was doing in order to lure men in the first place due to the fact that it was thought out
he also tortured small animals for un back when he was a kid,his parent were very normal and did what they could to turn him around,but it was hopeless


This to me is a big red flag for future violence, the torturing of small animals has been psychologically linked to a lot of serial killers. Take the weak and helpless to show your supremacy...
exactly

challengingmind's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:34 PM
the triad
peeing the bed
hurting animals
starting fires

FearandLoathing's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:36 PM

the triad
peeing the bed
hurting animals
starting fires


Peeing the bed is an off one, I don't think that links anyone to any type of violent act in the future...personally same goes with starting fires.

ljcc1964's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:38 PM
BRB......gotta pee.

challengingmind's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:39 PM
yea but there is an emotional component to it as well.Most are doing these things to satisfy an emotional need or compulsion

FearandLoathing's photo
Fri 09/05/08 10:40 PM

yea but there is an emotional component to it as well.Most are doing these things to satisfy an emotional need or compulsion


But to say it leads to violence is a bit naive in my opinion, just because a kids pees his bed when he is 12 doesn't mean at 15 he is going to start mutilating animals and stalking people...

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