That everytime I really like someone, we only end up friends in the end for one reason or another??

Because the world is against you...funny thing is I had that comment thought of even before I read the thread.

lol it certainly feels that way sometimes.

Not even going near this one.....I'll just show you my @sshole and elbows on this one I'm off, like a scab in salt water......

cuz you play it like a friendship so thats how they'll take it you gotta be serious and let the girl know what you want its a catch 22 ever you get turned down trying or you get turned down not trying so go for it!

I have been before, but somehow things never work out.

Lemme guess. You fall into the "nice guy" catagory right? Been their my friend, and it sucks to always hear, "You're a really nice guy, but......".

Things 'dont work out' because they arent suppose to. It will happen when it happens.

Ummmmm............What do you do for a living?........and Where are you living?

Those are two things that, if you are handling them well enough, show you are ready for more in life.

Maybe to a superficial person it would. What if I am a ditch digger who enjoys that kind of work, and I pay my own rent at my own apartment or house? Might not be glamorous, but I work and provide. Chick can't appreciate me for me, then see ya!

Pretty much....

i know exactly what you mean!



that's why i gave up on trying to start a relationship with anyone

I didn't say anything about glamorous and sounds as if you can provide.

What if there is NO job and you are living at home with your parents still?

Could have fallen on hard times, like losing a job and whatnot? Or, he could just be a loser.

I figured you were aiming at the "no job and living with parents" angle. Just had to make a comment though in the other direction.

A lot of people do this to finish college. I don't think I would be judging anyone if I was you! You have no clue what people go through until you live in their shoes...so don't try to judge people!!

Not judging.

Take no thought of who is right or wrong or who is better than. Be not for or against.

Kleisto...just be patient. I think you need to focus on finishing up your schooling and then I am sure when the time is right, you will meet the right one for you
Patience is the key my friend!! Sometimes when we least expect it, thats when love finds us. Get your education first and then focus on YOU. You have your whole life to worry about women. Take your time and I am sure that one day, that perfect one for you will come your way

Psh, don't be PATIENT. Life isn't going to shower you with gifts. You have to step up and earn your claim.

Goofball73 touched on this already, but you're socially programmed to be a "nice guy."

I'm going to go through a crude summary of the whole "socially programmed nice guy" spiel and how you can turn yourself from that "just friends" guy to a "lover." This may sound offensive and politically incorrect, but bear with me. It's a crude summary touching only a few points.

"Nice guys" are programmed by the media, etc., to respect women SO MUCH that they oftentimes forget to respect themselves. They even force themselves to suppress their own desires to appease women because this is what they perceive society is telling them to do.

To become pigeonholed as a lover instead of just a friend in a woman's mind, you have to trigger certain feelings within her that a socially programmed "nice guy" simply cannot do.

For starters, don't be afraid to touch her. Now, don't read this and go around groping every attractive woman you see. When you're talking to a girl casually, I bet you are AFRAID to just touch her shoulder to emphasize a point or something regular like that. Being a lover instead of a friend means she sees you as someone she can have sex with. Sex, among many things, is a physical act. Therefore, you must get physical. Just be a casually touchy guy, but use your social intuition to calibrate if you're going too far at any point.

Women loved to be touched. They pay people a ton of money to touch them at the spa and massage parlors. It feels good. Physical human contact makes us feel alive.

Also, read my post about Chemistry in this section of the forum. If you have any further questions, feel free to send me a private message.