If anyone wants to post questions on this thread and anyone wants to answer them without any rules and regulations, except being from the bible only with no outside sources, then be my guest.

if not that's just fine to.

no more "throw" anythings- just questions and legitimate biblical answers if possible.

and if it can't be answered just say so - simple? I think so - how bout you?

sincerely, tribo -

how do you converse with people who cannot grasp what you are saying?

If we threw evidentiary rules out of our courts, everyone would be imprisoned. The standard which you and others seem so dead set on establishing would guarantee that the side with the most votes and loudest voices would win. That doesn't seem right to me. Enjoy your thread, I find the title to be very appropriate.

any other questions?

I have to do that at work quite often in my career, most people dont know color spectrophotometry analysis or color theory. i find it quite easy if they have common sense to do so and of course a good eye for color. so you will have to be more specific as to your meaning if you require further response lady M, you know i respect you and deb,

lol, lady M? you are endearing.

politicians for example, have an inside, off-hand experience in the nature and understanding of their work perhaps more than the general public one might say, especially if politics or law, or medicine or accounting or religion was their field of study, yet the sometimes find themselves in conversations that those who are ill informed or do not have a background knowledge of the dynamics of the said world but they insist on holding such conversations in order to teach those they presume to lack the knowledge of such topics that they themselves have not begin to grasp or perhaps will never.

now

is "now" just a pause and your planning on continueing your thoughts? or am i to take that as your expecting me to respond to what you stated above that?

is "now" just a pause and your planning on continueing your thoughts? or am i to take that as your expecting me to respond to what you stated above that?



that was my kitty's fault, she was walking on my pc. sorry. no you can go ahead.

is "now" just a pause and your planning on continueing your thoughts? or am i to take that as your expecting me to respond to what you stated above that?



that was my kitty's fault, she was walking on my pc. sorry. no you can go ahead.


wow, thats some cat, it typed NOW? hahaha
you need to tell ferral about that.


Lady M:

lol, lady M? you are endearing.

politicians for example, have an inside, off-hand experience in the nature and understanding of their work perhaps more than the general public one might say, especially if politics or law, or medicine or accounting or religion was their field of study, yet they sometimes find themselves in conversations that those who are ill informed or do not have a background knowledge of the dynamics of the said world but they insist on holding such conversations in order to teach those they presume to lack the knowledge of such topics that they themselves have not begin to grasp or perhaps will never grasp.

tribo:

well we will say for example religion, since I'm sure that is what your really talking of here. having been involved in the christian faith for over 8 years as both a disciple of Christ, baptist, southern baptist, church of god, catholic [in my youth], and several non denominational spirit filled churches in Chicago and Florida that speak with tongues, prophesy, heal, and had all the other gifts of the spirit, i do not consider myself a total stranger to almost every held teaching be it futurist, evangelical, fundamental, or other.

even though i have been out of it for over 2 decades now and have forgotten allot, i still remember enough to know from what viewpoint most if not all are talking of here my lady, yes - their may be others that do not, i agree, but i try to help balance that when or if i can. But when i see anyone using maybes and mights and could haves etc. to try to explain biblical text instead of the word itself, i neither listen nor expect to hear from your god - only from traditional sources of the institutions of theological cemeteries that one has studied under. they all teach different things. yes - they may have the same core tenants in place, but they are all to divisive on the fine points.

do you wish me to continue?

that was my kitty's fault, she was walking on my pc. sorry. no you can go ahead.


wow, thats some cat, it typed NOW? hahaha
you need to tell ferral about that.


Lady M:

lol, lady M? you are endearing.

politicians for example, have an inside, off-hand experience in the nature and understanding of their work perhaps more than the general public one might say, especially if politics or law, or medicine or accounting or religion was their field of study, yet they sometimes find themselves in conversations that those who are ill informed or do not have a background knowledge of the dynamics of the said world but they insist on holding such conversations in order to teach those they presume to lack the knowledge of such topics that they themselves have not begin to grasp or perhaps will never grasp.

tribo:

well we will say for example religion, since I'm sure that is what your really talking of here. having been involved in the christian faith for over 8 years as both a disciple of Christ, baptist, southern baptist, church of god, catholic [in my youth], and several non denominational spirit filled churches in Chicago and Florida that speak with tongues, prophesy, heal, and had all the other gifts of the spirit, i do not consider myself a total stranger to almost every held teaching be it futurist, evangelical, fundamental, or other.

even though i have been out of it for over 2 decades now and have forgotten allot, i still remember enough to know from what viewpoint most if not all are talking of here my lady, yes - their may be others that do not, i agree, but i try to help balance that when or if i can. But when i see anyone using maybes and mights and could haves etc. to try to explain biblical text instead of the word itself, i neither listen nor expect to hear from your god - only from traditional sources of the institutions of theological cemeteries that one has studied under. they all teach different things. yes - they may have the same core tenants in place, but they are all to divisive on the fine points.

do you wish me to continue?



yes but tomorrow will be better .

wow, thats some cat, it typed NOW? hahaha
you need to tell ferral about that.


Lady M:

lol, lady M? you are endearing.

politicians for example, have an inside, off-hand experience in the nature and understanding of their work perhaps more than the general public one might say, especially if politics or law, or medicine or accounting or religion was their field of study, yet they sometimes find themselves in conversations that those who are ill informed or do not have a background knowledge of the dynamics of the said world but they insist on holding such conversations in order to teach those they presume to lack the knowledge of such topics that they themselves have not begin to grasp or perhaps will never grasp.

tribo:

well we will say for example religion, since I'm sure that is what your really talking of here. having been involved in the christian faith for over 8 years as both a disciple of Christ, baptist, southern baptist, church of god, catholic [in my youth], and several non denominational spirit filled churches in Chicago and Florida that speak with tongues, prophesy, heal, and had all the other gifts of the spirit, i do not consider myself a total stranger to almost every held teaching be it futurist, evangelical, fundamental, or other.

even though i have been out of it for over 2 decades now and have forgotten allot, i still remember enough to know from what viewpoint most if not all are talking of here my lady, yes - their may be others that do not, i agree, but i try to help balance that when or if i can. But when i see anyone using maybes and mights and could haves etc. to try to explain biblical text instead of the word itself, i neither listen nor expect to hear from your god - only from traditional sources of the institutions of theological cemeteries that one has studied under. they all teach different things. yes - they may have the same core tenants in place, but they are all to divisive on the fine points.

do you wish me to continue?



yes but tomorrow will be better .


i agree its almost 3:30 am here need to sleep, g'nite lady M sweet dreams -

Suppose the 10 digit numerical system was invented in India. Time is man made. God knows neither time nor limitation.

How did the Hebrews know that the world was created in 7 days?

The world was created before there was man, man was created before there was time.

So, in the beginning, was 1 really one, was a day really 1 day?

If the Old Testament was written 3000 years ago after there was time and the Bible is the Word of God, How could He say seven days if he knows neither time nor limitation?

So, could we not totally discard science and their theories? Suppose the Big Bang Theory actually happened and the Earth evolved over thousands or even millions of years. Could it not be that God caused the Big Bang? At the time one day was probably more reasonable, since thousands and millions haven't been invented yet. So, why would God say thousands or millions of years, or even one to seven days, if He knows neither time nor limitation?


(I do believe in God, Just asking a simple question)

THOMAS27:

Suppose the 10 digit numerical system was invented in India. Time is man made. God knows neither time nor limitation.


TRIBO:

it does seem strange that at least the number zero - 0 - was not known til the 5th century AD. It is credited to an Indian, Aryabhata - as to him inventing it and using it in mathematics. If this is true how can any numbers be used by moses or before him that contained the number "zero"? the bible states many times that 100 years or 10 or a 1000 years for time periods - yet if it was not invented till 500 AD - how is that possible?



How did the Hebrews know that the world was created in 7 days?


Tribo:

just a guess, but god had made a division between night and day - so even if it was not a mathematical equation, there were things that man could observe to tell the passing of time by, if nothing else each day time - each night time - each sunrise and set, each moon phase etc.



The world was created before there was man, man was created before there was time.


Tribo:

we can really only look at time from mans perspective - if there is no observer, then their is no real time anyway that would serve a purpose.




So, in the beginning, was 1 really one, was a day really 1 day?


Tribo:

i was asking this on another thread, the only way it matters is if your discussing within the bible take on this, if so then yes it has to be a literal day of approx 24 hrs that has to be taken or all of creation took 144 hrs = 6 days. At least for discussion or debatings sake.




If the Old Testament was written 3000 years ago after there was time and the Bible is the Word of God, How could He say seven days if he knows neither time nor limitation?


Tribo:

He wasn't stating it, the writers were, your correct there is no time with god - god is out of the time/space continuum.




So, could we not totally discard science and their theories? Suppose the Big Bang Theory actually happened and the Earth evolved over thousands or even millions of years. Could it not be that God caused the Big Bang? At the time one day was probably more reasonable, since thousands and millions haven't been invented yet. So, why would God say thousands or millions of years, or even one to seven days, if He knows neither time nor limitation?


Tribo:

I've long ago discarded the big bang theory, the biblical god if he is who they state he is and is omnipotent was or is capable of bringing everything into existence in the blink of an eye, but that's a matter of belief and faith which i don't hold to. So i will leave that to others to expand upon.





(I do believe in God, Just asking a simple question)


Tribo:

and all i can give is my simple answers. someone else is welcome to expand on this if they care to. -

continued - Lady M, Tribo

If and when there is theological contrivance outside the book - then we are not really discussing the word any longer, but mans take on what the words mean, I personally have found them to vary quite a bit from sect to sect of Christian holdings, again, not on the core tenants, but from without them.

Does this mean one is more right than another? No, in my opinion, none are correct. Why? Because if one of them was correct there would not be all the different holdings such as - is full immersion the correct or incorrect way of baptism as taught in the bible, or is sprinkling of the child shortly after it's born the correct and acceptable way?

Is this a matter of eternal salvation? absolutely not - was the thief on the cross baptized in either way? No - yet groups of people will separate over such beliefs - this should not be if the body of Christ is to be 1 body, but alas we are human, christian or non, and we put ourselves above one another when we ought not to.

Till the body of Christ heals itself from it's human failings [just as the rest of non-believing mankind must do also], there will continue to be divisions, things being spoken and taken as truths that should not - and truths not taken when they should be. Gandhi made a statement that was something like " i like your Christ, but i don't think much of your Christians" to someone.
When a leader of peace makes such a statement, Christians should take that to heart - they are not acting in a manner as others read of Christ acting - something to ponder on.

Now in this i am not trying to "lump" all believers or non believers into one mass class, i realize everyone in either, is where they are at the present, and no one has the same exact take or premises or holdings as another may. So please no "but I'm not like that's" I already know this.

their is maturity in all life and all life's beliefs or non beliefs, and their are those that are babes - just learning - those just learning would be better off to keep on learning till they are mature in there holdings before posting their take on things of god or of other beliefs. But i see no way that this will hold to actually happening.

Some here have stated that god says that they should be prepared to give an answer to every ones questions no matter what they be - that is so - what they don't realize is that many times the answer should be " I don't know" instead of using theologians words, scientific evidence, extra biblical text, their own assumtions, and even other non biblical text to to "try" to explain away the contradictory problem that lie within the book. Not to do so just shows how untrained they are in the ways of gods teachings.

A simple question Lady M - did the apostles or anyone else use non biblical sources to answer non christian questions?

I personally would hold - "I don't know" as such a statement to be much more meaningful and honest than as what actually happens on here on a weekly basis - how about you lady M?

Tribo would you stop throwing up in the throw up thread! It is uncalled for in the religous forum!!!

Religious forum???? oh my gawd - i thought it was the predigious forum, now i do feel sick get outta the way john your blocking my way to the BR.

now I am confused. Where the hell am I! Hold it get out of my way braaaa

hmmm? the ever wandering lady M, has dissappeared? oh well thnx anyway for listening.

there was a boy, a very strange enchanted boy,

they say he wandered very far................. very far........................................ over land and sea.........

a little shy, and sad of eye, but - very wise was he.

And then one day, one magic day he past my way,

and while we spoke of many things ---- fools and kings ----- this he said to me:

" The greatest thing............................

you'll ever learn................................

is just to love -------

And be Loved --- in return"

well Lady M. - was my answer so disgusting you refuse to answer??????

hope that's not the case. -